Ben Simmons Trade Thread

[Mik317]

again defense matters....we lost game 7 due to Curry being attacked by Kevin **** Huerter lol.
But it matters in the sense that you cannot have too many terrible defenders and your coach should adjust to stop bleeding. We should have trapped those and forced him to make the pass....he struggled with that all series...but Glenn is gonna Glenn lol.

the flipside is the fact that Ben being a non factor on offense hurt us too and his defense did not offset that.

also the bench was poop but was poop on both ends. Dwight can't guard in space and Thybulle is predictable. Maxey tries but is too green. Shake and Kork are just ass.

Both sides of the court matter....our lack of shot creation means we neeeeed to be legit defensively and create havoc...didn't seem to do that. Also this sounds obvious and dumb but by scoring; you make the defense take the ball out of the basket and can set up on defense...turnovers and bricks lead to run outs and easy offense.

tldr: you need a mixture of both. We lack a shot creator and that should come before anything...unless said shot creator is tiny and can't pass....there are very few situations in which you should go for defense over that. The playoffs have proved that with Trae and to a lesser degree dudes like Payne ffs.

Get a shot creator goddam it. Be it for Ben. Next to Ben. Or using illegal science to make Ben one...get one and worry about the rest later lol.

[Iverson Armband]

again defense matters....we lost game 7 due to Curry being attacked by Kevin **** Huerter lol.
But it matters in the sense that you cannot have too many terrible defenders and your coach should adjust to stop bleeding. We should have trapped those and forced him to make the pass....he struggled with that all series...but Glenn is gonna Glenn lol.

the flipside is the fact that Ben being a non factor on offense hurt us too and his defense did not offset that.

also the bench was poop but was poop on both ends. Dwight can't guard in space and Thybulle is predictable. Maxey tries but is too green. Shake and Kork are just ass.

Both sides of the court matter....our lack of shot creation means we neeeeed to be legit defensively and create havoc...didn't seem to do that. Also this sounds obvious and dumb but by scoring; you make the defense take the ball out of the basket and can set up on defense...turnovers and bricks lead to run outs and easy offense.

tldr: you need a mixture of both. We lack a shot creator and that should come before anything...unless said shot creator is tiny and can't pass....there are very few situations in which you should go for defense over that. The playoffs have proved that with Trae and to a lesser degree dudes like Payne ffs.

Get a shot creator goddam it. Be it for Ben. Next to Ben. Or using illegal science to make Ben one...get one and worry about the rest later lol.

You could field the best defensive player in the league at every position but if you can’t score you’ll still lose. You can’t defense your way to a championship. Even if they would have beaten Atlanta it would have caught up with them eventually. Of course defensive matters to a degree and you need to be able to get stops when needed, but offensive production matters WAY more, especially in the playoffs.

People on this board tend to overrate defense because they know that’s the only way the Sixers can be competitive as constructed.

[76ciology]

We didnt lose the game because of Seth.

We lose the game because our shotmaker was not relying down the stretch. He was not making shots, not getting good looks or turning the ball over.

If not for Seth, Hawks probably have beaten us in 5 or 6.

Its like Boobie Gibson or Steve Kerr carrying LeBron or MJ on offense.

The fact that we have to rely on Seth down the stretch for offense is already a RED FLAG.

If Embiid was reliable like 2011 Dirk, we dont even had to put Seth in the game.

And even if Seth is not in the game, Trae can get a good look for a floater or lobs just by running 2 man games.

This team has been underperforming because it overrates its talent and the impact of defense.

We have to rely on defense because our offense down the stretch is trash. It’s trash because it’s an offense not made for the playoffs.

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Sixers ended the season 2nd in defensive rating and 13th in offensive rating. This is enough to get it done, LA's ORTG was lower last year.

Here are the stats that point to issues with the team...

% of 2PT FG assisted = 26th in league
% of 3PT FG assisted = 2nd in league

% of shots that were dunks is ok at 16th.
% of shots that were layups was bad at 26th.
% of shots in the dreaded long 2 16-3pt range = 5th in the league.

It's not hard to see that there are basically two offenses going on out there.
- One is Embiid ISOs and post ups for 2s and FTs.
- The other is Simmons assists to 3pt shooters and dunks.

The FG% of the 16-3pt range shots wasnt bad at .439 but this is well below our TS% and 2PT FG%. They are bad shots.

Somehow these two offenses need to combine because there is no benefit to the team unless the offense as a whole involves everyone and isn't segregated like this.

[76ciology]

Sixers ended the season 2nd in defensive rating and 13th in offensive rating. This is enough to get it done, LA's ORTG was lower last year.

Here are the stats that point to issues with the team...

% of 2PT FG assisted = 26th in league
% of 3PT FG assisted = 2nd in league

% of shots that were dunks is ok at 16th.
% of shots that were layups was bad at 26th.
% of shots in the dreaded long 2 16-3pt range = 5th in the league.

It's not hard to see that there are basically two offenses going on out there.
- One is Embiid ISOs and post ups for 2s and FTs.
- The other is Simmons assists to 3pt shooters and dunks.

The FG% of the 16-3pt range shots wasnt bad at .439 but this is well below our TS% and 2PT FG%. They are bad shots.

Somehow these two offenses need to combine because there is no benefit to the team unless the offense as a whole involves everyone and isn't segregated like this.

This is why we keep losing.

We’re like. “Its ok, numbers says we’re doing OK on offense”.

But down the stretch. Embiid’s post is heavily challenged or is TO prone. Those assists Ben generates is mostly when defense is not on 100% (weak teams, weak defense or not down the stretch) or in transition.

You need to breakdown a defense not on stationary (post or iso) because defense will be set. It has to be static and with speed, this way the defense will have to scramble. And you’re not generating any of that except for those two man games and handoffs via Seth. This is why Seth is our most reliable scorer down the stretch.

Think about it..

The most reliable scorers down the stretch:

2018: JJ
2019: Jimmy
2021: Seth

The reason why Lakers was OK despite not having better numbers was LeBron can run PnR, AD can be a roll man on Lobs, Both LeBron and AD can attack on face-ups. Another reason was they can play big and use their size that no team can match. Size allows you to get easy baskets and extra possessions.

You can’t just blindly look at the numbers. 90+% of the context of those numbers is based on regular season garbage environment. It’s really a lot of Noise than helpful data. And it’s not making us make the right decisions.

Aren’t the Jazz like a top teams on both ends in the regular season? Look what happened to them.

Do you know that almost consensus of the analytics had Gobert as having a historic defensive season? Look at how Clippers turned him into Jahlil Okafor.

[76ciology]

The only way you can win with this team is to blow out teams by the third quarter with a 20+pt leads and never make the game stay close.

Is it possible? No.
The NBA likes these tit for tat scoring down the stretch.

Refs will call a foul everytime a guy like Trae or Lou will drives until the game gets close. LOL

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Sixers ended the season 2nd in defensive rating and 13th in offensive rating. This is enough to get it done, LA's ORTG was lower last year.

Here are the stats that point to issues with the team...

% of 2PT FG assisted = 26th in league
% of 3PT FG assisted = 2nd in league

% of shots that were dunks is ok at 16th.
% of shots that were layups was bad at 26th.
% of shots in the dreaded long 2 16-3pt range = 5th in the league.

It's not hard to see that there are basically two offenses going on out there.
- One is Embiid ISOs and post ups for 2s and FTs.
- The other is Simmons assists to 3pt shooters and dunks.

The FG% of the 16-3pt range shots wasnt bad at .439 but this is well below our TS% and 2PT FG%. They are bad shots.

Somehow these two offenses need to combine because there is no benefit to the team unless the offense as a whole involves everyone and isn't segregated like this.

This is why we keep losing.

We’re like. “Its ok, numbers says we’re doing OK on offense”.

But down the stretch. Embiid’s post is heavily challenged or is TO prone. Those assists Ben generates is mostly when defense is not on 100% (weak teams, weak defense or not down the stretch) or in transition.

You need to breakdown a defense not on stationary (post or iso) because defense will be set. It has to be static and with speed, this way the defense will have to scramble. And you’re not generating any of that except for those two man games and handoffs via Seth. This is why Seth is our most reliable scorer down the stretch.

Think about it..

The most reliable scorers down the stretch:

2018: JJ
2019: Jimmy
2021: Seth

The reason why Lakers was OK despite not having better numbers was LeBron can run PnR, AD can be a roll man on Lobs, Both LeBron and AD can attack on face-ups.

You can’t just blindly look at the numbers. 90+% of the context of those numbers is based on regular season garbage environment. It’s really a lot of Noise than helpful data. And it’s not making us make the right decisions.

Aren’t the Jazz like a top teams on both ends in the regular season? Look what happened to them.

Do you know that almost consensus of the analytics had Gobert as having a historic defensive season? Look at how Clippers turned him into Jahlil Okafor.

The playoff stats are similar to the stats I posted above.

[76ciology]

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Sixers ended the season 2nd in defensive rating and 13th in offensive rating. This is enough to get it done, LA's ORTG was lower last year.

Here are the stats that point to issues with the team...

% of 2PT FG assisted = 26th in league
% of 3PT FG assisted = 2nd in league

% of shots that were dunks is ok at 16th.
% of shots that were layups was bad at 26th.
% of shots in the dreaded long 2 16-3pt range = 5th in the league.

It's not hard to see that there are basically two offenses going on out there.
- One is Embiid ISOs and post ups for 2s and FTs.
- The other is Simmons assists to 3pt shooters and dunks.

The FG% of the 16-3pt range shots wasnt bad at .439 but this is well below our TS% and 2PT FG%. They are bad shots.

Somehow these two offenses need to combine because there is no benefit to the team unless the offense as a whole involves everyone and isn't segregated like this.

This is why we keep losing.

We’re like. “Its ok, numbers says we’re doing OK on offense”.

But down the stretch. Embiid’s post is heavily challenged or is TO prone. Those assists Ben generates is mostly when defense is not on 100% (weak teams, weak defense or not down the stretch) or in transition.

You need to breakdown a defense not on stationary (post or iso) because defense will be set. It has to be static and with speed, this way the defense will have to scramble. And you’re not generating any of that except for those two man games and handoffs via Seth. This is why Seth is our most reliable scorer down the stretch.

Think about it..

The most reliable scorers down the stretch:

2018: JJ
2019: Jimmy
2021: Seth

The reason why Lakers was OK despite not having better numbers was LeBron can run PnR, AD can be a roll man on Lobs, Both LeBron and AD can attack on face-ups.

You can’t just blindly look at the numbers. 90+% of the context of those numbers is based on regular season garbage environment. It’s really a lot of Noise than helpful data. And it’s not making us make the right decisions.

Aren’t the Jazz like a top teams on both ends in the regular season? Look what happened to them.

Do you know that almost consensus of the analytics had Gobert as having a historic defensive season? Look at how Clippers turned him into Jahlil Okafor.

The playoff stats are similar to the stats I posted above.

Not just playoffs. But down the stretch when games are close.

So do you think we have the an “OK” offense down the stretch in the play-offs?

Better than the top teams?

Its common sense if you know basketball, our offense is inferior against top teams down the stretch.

This is why Celts kind of like to face us. Because we’re a paper tiger.

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This is why we keep losing.

We’re like. “Its ok, numbers says we’re doing OK on offense”.

But down the stretch. Embiid’s post is heavily challenged or is TO prone. Those assists Ben generates is mostly when defense is not on 100% (weak teams, weak defense or not down the stretch) or in transition.

You need to breakdown a defense not on stationary (post or iso) because defense will be set. It has to be static and with speed, this way the defense will have to scramble. And you’re not generating any of that except for those two man games and handoffs via Seth. This is why Seth is our most reliable scorer down the stretch.

Think about it..

The most reliable scorers down the stretch:

2018: JJ
2019: Jimmy
2021: Seth

The reason why Lakers was OK despite not having better numbers was LeBron can run PnR, AD can be a roll man on Lobs, Both LeBron and AD can attack on face-ups.

You can’t just blindly look at the numbers. 90+% of the context of those numbers is based on regular season garbage environment. It’s really a lot of Noise than helpful data. And it’s not making us make the right decisions.

Aren’t the Jazz like a top teams on both ends in the regular season? Look what happened to them.

Do you know that almost consensus of the analytics had Gobert as having a historic defensive season? Look at how Clippers turned him into Jahlil Okafor.

The playoff stats are similar to the stats I posted above.

So do you think we have the an “OK” offense down the stretch in the play-offs?

Better than the top teams?

I can't tell you anything about down the stretch, but Philly was 3rd in defense and 7th in offense out of the 16 playoff teams.

The other shooting stats line up too.

[76ciology]

The playoff stats are similar to the stats I posted above.

So do you think we have the an “OK” offense down the stretch in the play-offs?

Better than the top teams?

I can't tell you anything about down the stretch, but Philly was 3rd in defense and 7th in offense out of the 16 playoff teams.

The other shooting stats line up too.

This is why we always look superior early game and inferior late game.

Until this team tries to build a squad to win games on stretches when it matters (i.e bucks getting jrue, suns getting cp3) its going to repeat over and over again.

[76ciology]

Clutch stats in 2021 playoffs.
Embiid 6 games shooting 23FG%

Clutch stats 2021 playoffs
Sixers 87 ORTg

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So do you think we have the an “OK” offense down the stretch in the play-offs?

Better than the top teams?

I can't tell you anything about down the stretch, but Philly was 3rd in defense and 7th in offense out of the 16 playoff teams.

The other shooting stats line up too.

This is why we always look superior early game and inferior late game.

Until this team tries to build a squad to win games on stretches when it matters (i.e bucks getting jrue, suns getting cp3) its going to repeat over and over again.

Relax, Embiid and Simmons and co just need to work together more. Embiid is still the crunch time game winner, but he needs involvement from Toby, Ben, the rest of the team and can't just rely on ISO ball.

[76ciology]

I can't tell you anything about down the stretch, but Philly was 3rd in defense and 7th in offense out of the 16 playoff teams.

The other shooting stats line up too.

This is why we always look superior early game and inferior late game.

Until this team tries to build a squad to win games on stretches when it matters (i.e bucks getting jrue, suns getting cp3) its going to repeat over and over again.

Relax, Embiid and Simmons and co just need to work together more. Embiid is still the crunch time game winner, but he needs involvement from Toby, Ben, the rest of the team and can't just rely on ISO ball.

See the previous post prior to your post.

Ben, Tobi and Embiid are bad crunch time players.

Remember how Embiid missed an open layup off a roll?
Ben is not even playable at all.

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This is why we always look superior early game and inferior late game.

Until this team tries to build a squad to win games on stretches when it matters (i.e bucks getting jrue, suns getting cp3) its going to repeat over and over again.

Relax, Embiid and Simmons and co just need to work together more. Embiid is still the crunch time game winner, but he needs involvement from Toby, Ben, the rest of the team and can't just rely on ISO ball.

See the previous post prior to your post.

Ben, Tobi and Embiid are bad crunch time players.

Ben is not even playable at all.

Well they are going to have to learn to be good crunch time players. They will.

Also it can't be understated how bad the bench was in the entire playoffs.

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Embiid is aware of where he needs to improve with his passing and turnovers. He isn't a dumb guy. He didn't grow up playing team bball from an early age and this is a symptom of that. He knows and has said he needs to make others on the team better.

Ben definitly knows what he has to do better.

The coaches and trainers got a good look at the team this year.

So did Morey, hopefully he can sort out the bench and add some more options to the starting lineup.

[76ciology]

Relax, Embiid and Simmons and co just need to work together more. Embiid is still the crunch time game winner, but he needs involvement from Toby, Ben, the rest of the team and can't just rely on ISO ball.

See the previous post prior to your post.

Ben, Tobi and Embiid are bad crunch time players.

Ben is not even playable at all.

Well they are going to have to learn to be good crunch time players. They will.

Also it can't be understated how bad the bench was in the entire playoffs.

It’s one thing to “trust the process” when you’re doing it the right way, and another thing to “trust the process” when you’re doing it the wrong way.

I just think the later will punish you with a lot of opportunity cost.

Every year, I see players in the draft that I’d rather build around than Embiid or Ben.

If we rebuild right now and do it the right way of building a team, i can guarantee you 100%, we’re going to win a championship earlier than just staying with the status quo.

Even in this year’s weak draft I can already find opportunities.

Give me Sexton, Garland, Jalen Green and a pick over Embiid. Give me Suggs, Cade, kuminga or Wagner over Ben Simmons.

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See the previous post prior to your post.

Ben, Tobi and Embiid are bad crunch time players.

Ben is not even playable at all.

Well they are going to have to learn to be good crunch time players. They will.

Also it can't be understated how bad the bench was in the entire playoffs.

It’s one thing to “trust the process” when you’re doing it the right way, and another thing to “trust the process” when you’re doing it the wrong way.

I just think the later will punish you with a lot of opportunity cost.

Every year, I see players in the draft that I’d rather build around than Embiid or Ben.

If we rebuild right now and do it the right way of building a team, i can guarantee you 100%, we’re going to win a championship earlier than just staying with the status quo.

There is a reason there is no such thing as an easy ring in the NBA.

Sixers situation is looking better than most.

Depending on who they land I'd be afraid of GSW though. And of course the Nets.

[76ciology]

Well they are going to have to learn to be good crunch time players. They will.

Also it can't be understated how bad the bench was in the entire playoffs.

It’s one thing to “trust the process” when you’re doing it the right way, and another thing to “trust the process” when you’re doing it the wrong way.

I just think the later will punish you with a lot of opportunity cost.

Every year, I see players in the draft that I’d rather build around than Embiid or Ben.

If we rebuild right now and do it the right way of building a team, i can guarantee you 100%, we’re going to win a championship earlier than just staying with the status quo.

There is a reason there is no such thing as an easy ring in the NBA.

Sixers situation is looking better than most.

Depending on who they land I'd be afraid of GSW though. And of course the Nets.

It’s not easy, so dont make it harder.

Being in a better situation than most wont win you a trophy.
And take advantage of teams who just wants to be a better than most. Make them pay for it.

In the offseason, Don’t play favorites. You have to be ruthless in building a team. Natural selection. Eliminate the weak and replace them with strong.

If you want to play altruism, do it during the regular season.

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See the previous post prior to your post.

Ben, Tobi and Embiid are bad crunch time players.

Ben is not even playable at all.

Well they are going to have to learn to be good crunch time players. They will.

Also it can't be understated how bad the bench was in the entire playoffs.

It’s one thing to “trust the process” when you’re doing it the right way, and another thing to “trust the process” when you’re doing it the wrong way.

I just think the later will punish you with a lot of opportunity cost.

Every year, I see players in the draft that I’d rather build around than Embiid or Ben.

If we rebuild right now and do it the right way of building a team, i can guarantee you 100%, we’re going to win a championship earlier than just staying with the status quo.

Even in this year’s weak draft I can already find opportunities.

Give me Sexton, Garland, Jalen Green and a pick over Embiid. Give me Suggs, Cade, kuminga or Wagner over Ben Simmons.

Nah Embiid and Simmons are unicorns that are needed to build a contender. They are both irreplaceable.

Sexton is going to demand the max coming off his rookie deal, he is not an option.

I don't know the answer, but Lou Williams and Reggie Jackson are winning games for their teams in the conf finals. Anything can happen.

[stormi]

Embiid is aware of where he needs to improve with his passing and turnovers. He isn't a dumb guy. He didn't grow up playing team bball from an early age and this is a symptom of that. He knows and has said he needs to make others on the team better.

Ben definitly knows what he has to do better.

The coaches and trainers got a good look at the team this year.

So did Morey, hopefully he can sort out the bench and add some more options to the starting lineup.

It literally has nothing to do with his awareness or sitting down and talking to Popeye Jones and Dave Joerger. The issue is that we don't have anyone besides rookie Maxey that's able to comfortably operate the offense out of the halfcourt. Ben Simmons is not that guy, not only via skill, but also via a bully approach ala Zion or Giannis. He's afraid of the ball, has no touch around the rim and does not want to shoot free throws.

Tobias has one of the stiffest handles I've ever seen. No wiggle. He can't break down defenses and he'd rather play bully ball or attack the rim going downhill anyways. Seth... maybe in micro spurts as a secondary creator - but you dilute his main skillset having him try and breakdown defenses anyways. He's also tiny with not much burst and gets hounded by taller & physical defenders. Green can't dribble.

Where does this leave us when we desperately need a bucket? Dumping the ball into Joel Embiid and clearing out. Even through doubles and triples. A lot of the time we can't even get the ball into his space because he's already being flogged by opposing defenses that know we don't have another option... The offense is archaic and we continually crumble because we lack essential scoring profiles that decide playoff games and championship outcomes.

This team isn't ready to compete for anything but vibes of the year awards until we get a star creator and probably another one that can get buckets off the bench.

Fast forward to the draft though, Daryl Morey knows this as much as we do, and more.