The Tomjas Thread

[Stanford]

54 million for Lillard at age 34 will be interesting

[DCasey91]

Sixerscan Lopez can defend though. KAT is not quite Kanter level bad but he’s horrible live. Has bottom tier positional awareness and has poor defensive skill. Those two combined he’ll never be even an average defender.

Mobley is on the other end of the spectrum. Better positional awareness than rookie AD and wonderful defensive skill.

You can’t just effort into being a good defender. There’s real skill and nuance involved. Every NBA team has players no matter how much you teach them just don’t get it.

Lavine has NFI too. So does Derozan. So does CJ/Dame

Watch Fox closely (gets pushed around alot can rack up steals but that’s literally it for him defensive wise) for a half and you’ll know what I mean. Sometime it’s like watching chickens with their head cut off lol.

CP3? Not even in the same tier athleticism wise as an older gent but destroys them defensively.

Jokic for example racked up steals, pokes, deflections but was leaky at the rim, now he’s well and truly an above average defender this year bordering on good (his conditioning is top shelf) which would make him the best/most valuable player in the comp (pretty much is if you account for team vs team setups).

[Sixerscan]

Sixerscan Lopez can defend though. KAT is not quite Kanter level bad but he’s horrible live. Has bottom tier positional awareness and has poor defensive skill. Those two combined he’ll never be even an average defender.

Point is people said this exact same stuff about Lopez up until a few years ago. Then he got better at it. Like Nets Brook Lopez was generally thought of as a bad defensive player.

[Mik317]

yeah sometimes dudes just figure **** out (also being on a more established team means you start to get away with more **** lol)

[Murray_17]

With this Edwards take, I hope you’re similarly down on Maxey (who’s older, btw).

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=tyrese+maxey%25ts+by+year
vs
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=anthony+edwards%25ts+by+year

The difference is on the volume both take shots.

Maxey was, actually, more efficient before all the COVID stuff forced him to play like 40 minutes a game and take 15 or 20 shots.

I also don't understand how you can say that a guy that was selected with the number 1 pick is a similar player than another one that was selected 21. If anything that makes look Edwards bad or our scouting team super good.

In context saying that we should be dissapointed with Maxey when you drafted him as a role player and a possible future starter vs the Wolves trying to get a difference maker, it's baffling logic

Edwards has a lot of room to improve, and certainly is more athletic and physical gifted than Maxey will ever be. Is the begining of the season too and is still a small sample, but he actually looks worse and his FT% hasn't improve at all, which is a warning sign that his shooting isn't there yet and needs a lot more work.

[Kobblehead]

Is this documented somewhere, or gossip?

Al Horford is my best friend. He told me that Jaylen Brown and Kyrie Irving are the two worst things that ever happened to the Celtics lockeroom.

So gossip that you made up, thanks for clarifying.

lol

so nothing ever happens and there's no truth to smoke

[Iverson Armband]

With this Edwards take, I hope you’re similarly down on Maxey (who’s older, btw).

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=tyrese+maxey%25ts+by+year
vs
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=anthony+edwards%25ts+by+year

The difference is on the volume both take shots.

Maxey was, actually, more efficient before all the COVID stuff forced him to play like 40 minutes a game and take 15 or 20 shots.

I also don't understand how you can say that a guy that was selected with the number 1 pick is a similar player than another one that was selected 21. If anything that makes look Edwards bad or our scouting team super good.

In context saying that we should be dissapointed with Maxey when you drafted him as a role player and a possible future starter vs the Wolves trying to get a difference maker, it's baffling logic

Edwards has a lot of room to improve, and certainly is more athletic and physical gifted than Maxey will ever be. Is the begining of the season too and is still a small sample, but he actually looks worse and his FT% hasn't improve at all, which is a warning sign that his shooting isn't there yet and needs a lot more work.

My point is, I don’t think anyone should be down on either one of them.

Maxey in a redraft doesn’t go 21 and he had no business going that low at the time. Other GMs being that dumb isn’t a valid handicap for him.

What’s baffling logic, is you sitting here acting like there aren’t people calling Maxey a potential All-Star, and then in the same breath turning around and acting like where he was drafted matters in November 2021. Donovan Mitchell was drafted #13, nobody was comparing him to mid round draft picks when it was quite clear he had no business going 13.

Just so you know, a players ability to get shots up is a SKILL. So that “volume thing” matters. Getting up 10 3s a game at a respectable clip is a skill. Maxey can’t do what Edwards does offensively, it’s not even that close, some of it admittedly being out of his control.

[Iverson Armband]

Al Horford is my best friend. He told me that Jaylen Brown and Kyrie Irving are the two worst things that ever happened to the Celtics lockeroom.

So gossip that you made up, thanks for clarifying.

lol

so nothing ever happens and there's no truth to smoke

Lmao you’re better off going with one of your weird takes like you’d rather have Coby White than Brown for some odd reason than continuing on with this c’mon man

[Murray_17]

My point is, I don’t think anyone should be down on either one of them.

You said both are similar players

Maxey in a redraft doesn’t go 21 and he had no business going that low at the time. Other GMs being that dumb isn’t a valid handicap for him.

No, but is a fair reason for why we would value both different in context, everything above the draft value we got for Maxei is amazing.

What’s baffling logic, is you sitting here acting like there aren’t people calling Maxey a potential All-Star, and then in the same breath turning around and acting like where he was drafted matters in November 2021. Donovan Mitchell was drafted #13, nobody was comparing him to mid round draft picks when it was quite clear he had no business going 13.

It matters in the context of a trade, this is not so difficult to get.

We already have great value on Maxey given the position he was drafted and the holes he fills on this team, Edwards is not real value for Simmons thinking that we need more than a second maxey for what Ben gives to other teams. Maxey would not be respectable value for Simmons either

The fact you think i'm straight comparing them is hilarious and show you didn't understand what i was saying.

Just so you know, a players ability to get shots up is a SKILL. So that “volume thing” matters.

Getting shots up is an ability if you can connect them at an efficient rate on volume, everyone can take shots just to take them.

Getting up 10 3s a game at a respectable clip is a skill. Maxey can’t do what Edwards does offensively, it’s not even that close, some of it admittedly being out of his control.

30% is not a "respectable clip", that's 5% below league average.

As an effect of the volume of shooting between both of them, Maxey is not only a better shooter in general, he also has a better 3FG% and has a better %FT too. And you would have see this if you clicked the links i posted in the previous post.

One of them is scoring around league average efficiency while the other is scoring as many points as shoots taken.

Maxey probably would be scoring similar numbers than Edwards if he took a similar amount.

[Iverson Armband]

Dude, it’s just flat out false that any NBA player can get up 10 responsible 3s in a NBA game.

I’m not even gonna address your other stuff. But 33% on 4 attempts is not better than 31% on 10 attempts, lol.

[Murray_17]

Dude, it’s just flat out false that any NBA player can get up 10 responsible 3s in a NBA game.

I’m not even gonna address your other stuff. But 33% on 4 attempts is not better than 31% on 10 attempts, lol.

Every NBA player could take 10 3's if they wanted, hell centers could take 3's when they come to the permiter to do screens if they wanted.

They just don't do it because they're aware is not an optimal shot.

[KL78192020]

54 million for Lillard at age 34 will be interesting

Another loss tonight, that team can't play any defense, garbage! They should take Simmons for Lillard and run like bandits if available.

[76ciology]

You know what this Jaylen Brown rumor would do?

It will give more sense of urgency for Blazers and Wolves to do a trade with the Sixers.

I still think it would be Dame. And it potentially smells like the Deke trade where we will trade young guys like Korkmaz and Thybulle along with Ben that will disrupt our chemistry.

..and Morey wont let that happen with all these optionsssssss

[Wilfried]

54 million for Lillard at age 34 will be interesting

A bit like 50 million for Embiid at age 32

[Wilfried]

Atlanta is 4-8.
Not saying they should panic, but I hope they are aware last season was an overachievement. The W against Sixers was because Sixers failed, more than they were better than us.

A combo of Simmons - Trae would be appealing to me

[Sportfan73]

Dude, it’s just flat out false that any NBA player can get up 10 responsible 3s in a NBA game.

I’m not even gonna address your other stuff. But 33% on 4 attempts is not better than 31% on 10 attempts, lol.

Maxey is shooting 38.5 percent on 3.3A per. Say what you want about volume but he’s having a better shooting start of the season than Edwards. Even with that averaging out some with volume. That doesn’t mean it will stick though we’ll see how it plays out

[Sportfan73]

You know what this Jaylen Brown rumor would do?

It will give more sense of urgency for Blazers and Wolves to do a trade with the Sixers.

I still think it would be Dame. And it potentially smells like the Deke trade where we will trade young guys like Korkmaz and Thybulle along with Ben that will disrupt our chemistry.

..and Morey wont let that happen with all these optionsssssss

I’m not that far off from preferring CJ++ to Ben++’for dame

[DCasey91]

Finals Championship Squad:

Murray/Maxey
CJ/Curry
Brown/Korklord
Niang/Roco
Embiid/Drummond

Harris 36
Ben 31
Green 10
Thybulle 2.8
Springer 2
Milton 1.8

83.6 mil total

CJ 30.8
Brown 24.8
Murray 15.4
Roco 12.9

83.9 mil total

+ 2 1st rnd picks added. We are going to build not one but two playoff teams. 48mins of FU don’t bring in no rotational players vs us.

As team creation we are going to just out value everybody. We are Modern Jund!

...Now to work on the actual trade deals

[Rastas]

54 million for Lillard at age 34 will be interesting

Which would you consider more Interesting -

Dame @ 48.8mill 24/25
or
Joel @ 54.3mill 26/27

[Tomjas]

Finals Championship Squad:

Murray/Maxey
CJ/Curry
Brown/Korklord
Niang/Roco
Embiid/Drummond

Harris 36
Ben 31
Green 10
Thybulle 2.8
Springer 2
Milton 1.8

83.6 mil total

CJ 30.8
Brown 24.8
Murray 15.4
Roco 12.9

83.9 mil total

+ 2 1st rnd picks added. We are going to build not one but two playoff teams. 48mins of FU don’t bring in no rotational players vs us.

As team creation we are going to just out value everybody. We are Modern Jund!

...Now to work on the actual trade deals

2 major problems

Blazers, Spurs and Celtics are all allegedly interested in Simmons

Nobody wants Harris and he’s not being offered anyway