R2G7 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 14 330PM TNT

[Jailblazers7]

Harden was shook in that game. They were letting him get into the paint, knew he was too scared to attempt scoring, and had him funnel the ball to PJ in the corner over & over & over again. It must’ve happened a dozen times where Harden had a chance to make a play & instead he throws it to PJ. I’m sure he tells himself he’s making the “right basketball play” because PJ is open but really he’s just a coward taking the bait.

[skywalker33]

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I don't know if this was clipped out of context, but if not this is such a loser quote.

Not cool. Throwing Maxey under the bus is not cool bro

Ironic since both Maxey AND Harris outscored Harden and the so-called MVP.....he's quick to deflect ANY/ALL blame, sign of immaturity IMO

[Negrodamus]

Jokic is still in the playoffs, go watch him. Or is winning the MVP more important than a championship?

The quotes from Embiid are being blown out of proportion. I'm more repulsed by the way he and James didn't show up for game 7 than him speaking the truth after the game.

[Bum Adebayo]

The quotes just show that he wanted to deflect at least some of the blame, yeah he said he has to be better but inmediately said all the team has to be better. He just transmits loser vibes, I don't want him here anymore, let's trade him and end with this, the process has failed and the sooner we assume it, the faster we will recover.

[Jailblazers7]

Honestly, Mazzulla basically gifted us this series by holding off so long to go double big. We had no good response to it because we lack a better 3&D wing than PJ Tucker. Kinda baffling in hindsight why he waited so long to play that lineup.

[FireMorey]

Mazzulla sucked in the series and so did Tatum. He showed up for one game and people act like he's Jesus returning from the rapture. The Celtics biggest accomplishment that series was they were less loser-y than the most loser team in the NBA. It was a series of who could out-loser the other. And at that the Sixers will always be NBA champs.

[Iverson Armband]

Mazzulla sucked in the series and so did Tatum. He showed up for one game and people act like he's Jesus returning from the rapture. The Celtics biggest accomplishment that series was they were less loser-y than the most loser team in the NBA. It was a series of who could out-loser the other. And at that the Sixers will always be NBA champs.

The difference is, Tatum sucked and he kept going until he broke out of it. It’s not going to be pretty every game. It’s not how you start, it’s how you FINISH. Embiid and Harden hit a little adversity and the first thing they do is turtle up like b!txhes. Watch Tatum’s body language, that man never hung his head. He kept attacking. He could be 0-50 and still think the next shot was going in and that’s exactly what happened. All the way to the tune of 51 goddamn points and 3s in Joel’s grill.

[FireMorey]

Mazzulla sucked in the series and so did Tatum. He showed up for one game and people act like he's Jesus returning from the rapture. The Celtics biggest accomplishment that series was they were less loser-y than the most loser team in the NBA. It was a series of who could out-loser the other. And at that the Sixers will always be NBA champs.

The difference is, Tatum sucked and he kept going until he broke out of it. It’s not going to be pretty every game. It’s not how you start, it’s how you FINISH. Embiid and Harden hit a little adversity and the first thing they do is turtle up like b!txhes. Watch Tatum’s body language, that man never hung his head. He kept attacking. He could be 0-50 and still think the next shot was going in and that’s exactly what happened. All the way to the tune of 51 goddamn points and 3s in Joel’s grill.

That's a cliche I never agreed with. How you start matters. If the Sixers also themselves didn't loser it up in game 6, the Celtics would have been eliminated because Tatum started off for 3 quarters completely invisible. The only reason he was able to play better was because the Sixers loser ways allowed him to by leaving the door open. The Sixers building a big lead in game 4 allowed them to be close enough when the Celtics made their run to still have a chance to win.

I saw plenty of times where he hung his head, people have revisionist history when it comes to stuff like this. Embiid kept taking shots too, he just took bad shots and missed them. That's how it always goes in basketball. When you take shots and miss them it's "he wasn't confident." When you take the same shots but they go in it's "He never lost confidence."

[Iverson Armband]

Mazzulla sucked in the series and so did Tatum. He showed up for one game and people act like he's Jesus returning from the rapture. The Celtics biggest accomplishment that series was they were less loser-y than the most loser team in the NBA. It was a series of who could out-loser the other. And at that the Sixers will always be NBA champs.

The difference is, Tatum sucked and he kept going until he broke out of it. It’s not going to be pretty every game. It’s not how you start, it’s how you FINISH. Embiid and Harden hit a little adversity and the first thing they do is turtle up like b!txhes. Watch Tatum’s body language, that man never hung his head. He kept attacking. He could be 0-50 and still think the next shot was going in and that’s exactly what happened. All the way to the tune of 51 goddamn points and 3s in Joel’s grill.

That's a cliche I never agreed with. How you start matters. If the Sixers also themselves didn't loser it up in game 6, the Celtics would have been eliminated because Tatum started off for 3 quarters completely invisible. The only reason he was able to play better was because the Sixers loser ways allowed him to by leaving the door open. The Sixers building a big lead in game 4 allowed them to be close enough when the Celtics made their run to still have a chance to win.

I saw plenty of times where he hung his head, people have revisionist history when it comes to stuff like this. Embiid kept taking shots too, he just took bad shots and missed them. That's how it always goes in basketball. When you take shots and miss them it's "he wasn't confident." When you take the same shots but they go in it's "He never lost confidence."

The hell are you talking about? Lol Joel didn’t take a single shot in the last 6 minutes to close out game 6 while Tatum scored 16 points during that same time period to force a game 7.

[FireMorey]

The difference is, Tatum sucked and he kept going until he broke out of it. It’s not going to be pretty every game. It’s not how you start, it’s how you FINISH. Embiid and Harden hit a little adversity and the first thing they do is turtle up like b!txhes. Watch Tatum’s body language, that man never hung his head. He kept attacking. He could be 0-50 and still think the next shot was going in and that’s exactly what happened. All the way to the tune of 51 goddamn points and 3s in Joel’s grill.

That's a cliche I never agreed with. How you start matters. If the Sixers also themselves didn't loser it up in game 6, the Celtics would have been eliminated because Tatum started off for 3 quarters completely invisible. The only reason he was able to play better was because the Sixers loser ways allowed him to by leaving the door open. The Sixers building a big lead in game 4 allowed them to be close enough when the Celtics made their run to still have a chance to win.

I saw plenty of times where he hung his head, people have revisionist history when it comes to stuff like this. Embiid kept taking shots too, he just took bad shots and missed them. That's how it always goes in basketball. When you take shots and miss them it's "he wasn't confident." When you take the same shots but they go in it's "He never lost confidence."

The hell are you talking about? Lol Joel didn’t take a single shot in the last 6 minutes to close out game 6 while Tatum scored 16 points during that same time period to force a game 7.

I didn't watch the game, but Embiid took 2 fewer shots than Tatum in the game. The end total is all that matters, ultimately. You make it sound like Tatum took 30 shots and Embiid took 10.

[Iverson Armband]

That's a cliche I never agreed with. How you start matters. If the Sixers also themselves didn't loser it up in game 6, the Celtics would have been eliminated because Tatum started off for 3 quarters completely invisible. The only reason he was able to play better was because the Sixers loser ways allowed him to by leaving the door open. The Sixers building a big lead in game 4 allowed them to be close enough when the Celtics made their run to still have a chance to win.

I saw plenty of times where he hung his head, people have revisionist history when it comes to stuff like this. Embiid kept taking shots too, he just took bad shots and missed them. That's how it always goes in basketball. When you take shots and miss them it's "he wasn't confident." When you take the same shots but they go in it's "He never lost confidence."

The hell are you talking about? Lol Joel didn’t take a single shot in the last 6 minutes to close out game 6 while Tatum scored 16 points during that same time period to force a game 7.

I didn't watch the game, but Embiid took 2 fewer shots than Tatum in the game. The end total is all that matters, ultimately. You make it sound like Tatum took 30 shots and Embiid took 10.

Explains a lot. Have a nice day.

[FireMorey]

The hell are you talking about? Lol Joel didn’t take a single shot in the last 6 minutes to close out game 6 while Tatum scored 16 points during that same time period to force a game 7.

I didn't watch the game, but Embiid took 2 fewer shots than Tatum in the game. The end total is all that matters, ultimately. You make it sound like Tatum took 30 shots and Embiid took 10.

Explains a lot. Have a nice day.

You can slink out of a debate all you want, but based on your logic, if a player took 3 shots through quarters 1-3, but took 8 shots in the 4th quarter, that's better than taking 15 shots in quarters 1-3 but taking 2 shots in the 4th quarter. Which is crazy.

The fact that Tatum took a bunch of shots in the 4th and still only finished with two more shots for the game shows that at some point during this game he was hesitant to shoot. Points and shots in each quarter all count the same. It makes no difference when the points were added. Embiid's just happened to be in the final minutes, but he did take shots throughout the game. There's no evidence because of the occurrences in that game that the lack of shots in the 4th were due to "lack of confidence." And my original point for Embiid shooting was about game 7 anyway, but it can apply to either game.

[TheBallsDeeper]

That's a cliche I never agreed with. How you start matters. If the Sixers also themselves didn't loser it up in game 6, the Celtics would have been eliminated because Tatum started off for 3 quarters completely invisible. The only reason he was able to play better was because the Sixers loser ways allowed him to by leaving the door open. The Sixers building a big lead in game 4 allowed them to be close enough when the Celtics made their run to still have a chance to win.

I saw plenty of times where he hung his head, people have revisionist history when it comes to stuff like this. Embiid kept taking shots too, he just took bad shots and missed them. That's how it always goes in basketball. When you take shots and miss them it's "he wasn't confident." When you take the same shots but they go in it's "He never lost confidence."

The hell are you talking about? Lol Joel didn’t take a single shot in the last 6 minutes to close out game 6 while Tatum scored 16 points during that same time period to force a game 7.

I didn't watch the game, but Embiid took 2 fewer shots than Tatum in the game. The end total is all that matters, ultimately. You make it sound like Tatum took 30 shots and Embiid took 10.

Hahaha - are you serious???

You didn't watch the game, but you're on here explaining to people who watched it that they are wrong and you know best.

Probably need to delete your account - there's no coming back from this.

[FireMorey]

The hell are you talking about? Lol Joel didn’t take a single shot in the last 6 minutes to close out game 6 while Tatum scored 16 points during that same time period to force a game 7.

I didn't watch the game, but Embiid took 2 fewer shots than Tatum in the game. The end total is all that matters, ultimately. You make it sound like Tatum took 30 shots and Embiid took 10.

Hahaha - are you serious???

You didn't watch the game, but you're on here explaining to people who watched it that they are wrong and you know best.

Probably need to delete your account - there's no coming back from this.

I didn't watch the game live. I saw the extended highlights which included almost all of the 4th quarter. That's good enough. And even with that I was still able to pick apart that argument with relative ease and my logic still hasn't been disputed on that particular disagreement.

[mjkvol]

I didn't watch the game, but Embiid took 2 fewer shots than Tatum in the game. The end total is all that matters, ultimately. You make it sound like Tatum took 30 shots and Embiid took 10.

Explains a lot. Have a nice day.

You can slink out of a debate all you want, but based on your logic, if a player took 3 shots through quarters 1-3, but took 8 shots in the 4th quarter, that's better than taking 15 shots in quarters 1-3 but taking 2 shots in the 4th quarter. Which is crazy.

The fact that Tatum took a bunch of shots in the 4th and still only finished with two more shots for the game shows that at some point during this game he was hesitant to shoot. Points and shots in each quarter all count the same. It makes no difference when the points were added. Embiid's just happened to be in the final minutes, but he did take shots throughout the game. There's no evidence because of the occurrences in that game that the lack of shots in the 4th were due to "lack of confidence." And my original point for Embiid shooting was about game 7 anyway, but it can apply to either game.

Far be it from me to praise Tatum, but are you serious with "the end total is all that matters" like the better stats win? Great players show up in the biggest spots. I've been critical of Tatum, believing he is overrated, but he stepped up and took game 6 from us when they were dead to rights. And the fact that he did it in a game where he was struggling mightily is actually more impressive.

And really, not watching a game and then lecturing about it is really lame.

[FireMorey]

Explains a lot. Have a nice day.

You can slink out of a debate all you want, but based on your logic, if a player took 3 shots through quarters 1-3, but took 8 shots in the 4th quarter, that's better than taking 15 shots in quarters 1-3 but taking 2 shots in the 4th quarter. Which is crazy.

The fact that Tatum took a bunch of shots in the 4th and still only finished with two more shots for the game shows that at some point during this game he was hesitant to shoot. Points and shots in each quarter all count the same. It makes no difference when the points were added. Embiid's just happened to be in the final minutes, but he did take shots throughout the game. There's no evidence because of the occurrences in that game that the lack of shots in the 4th were due to "lack of confidence." And my original point for Embiid shooting was about game 7 anyway, but it can apply to either game.

Far be it from me to praise Tatum, but are you serious with "the end total is all that matters" like the better stats win? Great players show up in the biggest spots. I've been critical of Tatum, believing he is overrated, but he stepped up and took game 6 from us when they were dead to rights. And the fact that he did it in a game where he was struggling mightily is actually more impressive.

And really, not watching a game and then lecturing about it is really lame.

If the point was "Tatum wasn't deterred and kept shooting, and Embiid was deterred and stopped shooting" and he only shot two more shots than Embiid, the point is absurd. It's not a valid point to make. They shot virtually the same number of shots so you just can't say that with a straight face.

I agree with your point, about Tatum stepping up, that has nothing to do with what I was arguing.

[TheBallsDeeper]

You can slink out of a debate all you want, but based on your logic, if a player took 3 shots through quarters 1-3, but took 8 shots in the 4th quarter, that's better than taking 15 shots in quarters 1-3 but taking 2 shots in the 4th quarter. Which is crazy.

The fact that Tatum took a bunch of shots in the 4th and still only finished with two more shots for the game shows that at some point during this game he was hesitant to shoot. Points and shots in each quarter all count the same. It makes no difference when the points were added. Embiid's just happened to be in the final minutes, but he did take shots throughout the game. There's no evidence because of the occurrences in that game that the lack of shots in the 4th were due to "lack of confidence." And my original point for Embiid shooting was about game 7 anyway, but it can apply to either game.

Far be it from me to praise Tatum, but are you serious with "the end total is all that matters" like the better stats win? Great players show up in the biggest spots. I've been critical of Tatum, believing he is overrated, but he stepped up and took game 6 from us when they were dead to rights. And the fact that he did it in a game where he was struggling mightily is actually more impressive.

And really, not watching a game and then lecturing about it is really lame.

If the point was "Tatum wasn't deterred and kept shooting, and Embiid was deterred and stopped shooting" and he only shot two more shots than Embiid, the point is absurd. It's not a valid point to make. They shot virtually the same number of shots so you just can't say that with a straight face.

I agree with your point, about Tatum stepping up, that has nothing to do with what I was arguing.

Maybe go back and watch the game before you keep making a goose of yourself.

[mjkvol]

You can slink out of a debate all you want, but based on your logic, if a player took 3 shots through quarters 1-3, but took 8 shots in the 4th quarter, that's better than taking 15 shots in quarters 1-3 but taking 2 shots in the 4th quarter. Which is crazy.

The fact that Tatum took a bunch of shots in the 4th and still only finished with two more shots for the game shows that at some point during this game he was hesitant to shoot. Points and shots in each quarter all count the same. It makes no difference when the points were added. Embiid's just happened to be in the final minutes, but he did take shots throughout the game. There's no evidence because of the occurrences in that game that the lack of shots in the 4th were due to "lack of confidence." And my original point for Embiid shooting was about game 7 anyway, but it can apply to either game.

Far be it from me to praise Tatum, but are you serious with "the end total is all that matters" like the better stats win? Great players show up in the biggest spots. I've been critical of Tatum, believing he is overrated, but he stepped up and took game 6 from us when they were dead to rights. And the fact that he did it in a game where he was struggling mightily is actually more impressive.

And really, not watching a game and then lecturing about it is really lame.

If the point was "Tatum wasn't deterred and kept shooting, and Embiid was deterred and stopped shooting" and he only shot two more shots than Embiid, the point is absurd. It's not a valid point to make. They shot virtually the same number of shots so you just can't say that with a straight face.

I agree with your point, about Tatum stepping up, that has nothing to do with what I was arguing.

Embiid didn't take a shot in the last four minutes of the game - now that's on the coach as well, but still, he's the man and should be demanding the ball. Tatum played like garbage all day, demanded the ball, and won a game they had no business winning. That's all that matters. How many overall shots is irrelevant

[FireMorey]

Far be it from me to praise Tatum, but are you serious with "the end total is all that matters" like the better stats win? Great players show up in the biggest spots. I've been critical of Tatum, believing he is overrated, but he stepped up and took game 6 from us when they were dead to rights. And the fact that he did it in a game where he was struggling mightily is actually more impressive.

And really, not watching a game and then lecturing about it is really lame.

If the point was "Tatum wasn't deterred and kept shooting, and Embiid was deterred and stopped shooting" and he only shot two more shots than Embiid, the point is absurd. It's not a valid point to make. They shot virtually the same number of shots so you just can't say that with a straight face.

I agree with your point, about Tatum stepping up, that has nothing to do with what I was arguing.

Embiid didn't take a shot in the last four minutes of the game - now that's on the coach as well, but still, he's the man and should be demanding the ball. Tatum played like garbage all day, demanded the ball, and won a game they had no business winning. That's all that matters. How many overall shots is irrelevant

Again, agree with what you're saying here, but that's a completely different discussion from what's being argued. Embiid didn't play well enough down the stretch, there is no debating that. I will counter though when someone says Tatum kept shooting because he was unafraid and Embiid didn't keep shooting because he was afraid, when Tatum only took two more shots. Through the course of the 48 minute game, there were stretches where Tatum didn't take shots. And there were stretches where Embiid didn't take shots. They came at different points in the game. People have adopted this crazy notion that only the 4th quarter matters, and it's not true.

I know everyone is all in a rip Joel Embiid kick at the moment, but the criticism needs to be fair or else it comes off as a pile on, which is exactly what it's turning into. Once we start getting into playing arm chair psychologist and saying he was afraid to do x, y, and z it leads to baseless criticisms.

[mjkvol]

If the point was "Tatum wasn't deterred and kept shooting, and Embiid was deterred and stopped shooting" and he only shot two more shots than Embiid, the point is absurd. It's not a valid point to make. They shot virtually the same number of shots so you just can't say that with a straight face.

I agree with your point, about Tatum stepping up, that has nothing to do with what I was arguing.

Embiid didn't take a shot in the last four minutes of the game - now that's on the coach as well, but still, he's the man and should be demanding the ball. Tatum played like garbage all day, demanded the ball, and won a game they had no business winning. That's all that matters. How many overall shots is irrelevant

Again, agree with what you're saying here, but that's a completely different discussion from what's being argued. Embiid didn't play well enough down the stretch, there is no debating that. I will counter though when someone says Tatum kept shooting because he was unafraid and Embiid didn't keep shooting because he was afraid, when Tatum only took two more shots. Through the course of the 48 minute game, there were stretches where Tatum didn't take shots. And there were stretches where Embiid didn't take shots. They came at different points in the game. People have adopted this crazy notion that only the 4th quarter matters, and it's not true.

I know everyone is all in a rip Joel Embiid kick at the moment, but the criticism needs to be fair or else it comes off as a pile on, which is exactly what it's turning into. Once we start getting into playing arm chair psychologist and saying he was afraid to do x, y, and z it leads to baseless criticisms.

I'm not criticizing Embiid, and I've been one of the only ones on here not piling on him. I never said a word about being 'afraid' to shoot, I simply said that with the money on the table Tatum demanded the ball and delivered while Embiid did not, for whatever reason, and didn't get a single shot up.

The 4th quarter really is all that matters, when it comes down to it. That's where the great players are identified, when the pressure is the greatest. If the first half was nearly as important, Tobias Harris would be an MVP candidate annually.