Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll

[cksdayoff]

still hope sixers take ingram

[spikeslovechild]

Does anyone think if the Lakers got the top pick they would be debating between Simmons and Ingram? Hell no. The fans would all on board for Simmons. Only Sixers fans would make such an easy decision seem like it's difficult. Lakers fans already would have Simmons jerseys.

We never embraced Iguodala and eventually chased him out of town because he wasn't a "high enough" volume scorer.

Lakers selected Russell last year ahead of both Okafor and Porzingis they probably aren't the best example.

[LongLiveHinkie]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20160522_Inside_the_Sixers__League_executives_say_Simmons_over_Ingram__but_not_unanimously.html

[zimpy27]

Hope you guys take Simmons. He is the playmaker you need.

[Unbreakable99]

Hope you guys take Simmons. He is the playmaker you need.

Yep but many don't understand. They want a lesser player. It really is mind boggling.

[ET Da Gawd]

Really shouldn't even be a discussion, Simmons is much more talented. Simmons will be our best playmaker and should make things easy for our bigs. Saric will be able to do the same thing, our SFs will be big big playmkers...getting shooters at 1&2 will be essential to make our offense flow. The defense will be very impactful with Ben Jah Noel Embiid


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[76ciology]

Hope you guys take Simmons. He is the playmaker you need.

Yep but many don't understand. They want a lesser player. It really is mind boggling.

2010. Evan Turner was clearly the better player than Paul George.

It's not who's better right now. It's who's better in the NBA 3-5 years down the road.

If there's a common denominator with the offense of players in the league, it's shooting.

LBJ eventually became a good shooter.
Rondo is shooting 36% from 3s.
AD was starting to shoot 3s last year.
Bigs like DMC and Horford start to shoot 3s. Westbrook is a great mid range shooter.
Griffin is a great mid range and a decent 3pt shooter.
The best player in the league is a shooter.
The best wings in the league are good shooters or is threat from perimeter.

We can talk all day how x and y are elite dunkers shooter length blockers amazing court vision can dunk over 50 people. But their superstar status won't be reached until they become good shooters.

Both Simmons and Ingrams has the X factor to be superstar wings, if they end up being good shooters in the NBA.

*shooter meaning perimeter shot + high FG%/TS%

[zimpy27]

Hope you guys take Simmons. He is the playmaker you need.

Yep but many don't understand. They want a lesser player. It really is mind boggling.

2010. Evan Turner was clearly the better player than Paul George.

It's not who's better right now. It's who's better in the NBA 3-5 years down the road.

If there's a common denominator with the offense of players in the league, it's shooting.

LBJ eventually became a good shooter.
Rondo is shooting 36% from 3s.
AD was starting to shoot 3s last year.
Bigs like DMC and Horford start to shoot 3s. Westbrook is a great mid range shooter.
Griffin is a great mid range and a decent 3pt shooter.
The best player in the league is a shooter.
The best wings in the league are good shooters or is threat from perimeter.

We can talk all day how x and y are elite dunkers shooter length blockers amazing court vision can dunk over 50 people. But their superstar status won't be reached until they become good shooters.

Both Simmons and Ingrams has the X factor to be superstar wings, if they end up being good shooters in the NBA.

*shooter meaning perimeter shot + high FG%/TS%

Shooting is the only thing that really gets improved with time though. Ingram won't improve in any of the areas Simmons is already elite in nearly as much as Simmons will improve in the one area Ingram is already elite in.

[eyeatoma]

Hope you guys take Simmons. He is the playmaker you need.

Yep but many don't understand. They want a lesser player. It really is mind boggling.

2010. Evan Turner was clearly the better player than Paul George.

It's not who's better right now. It's who's better in the NBA 3-5 years down the road.

If there's a common denominator with the offense of players in the league, it's shooting.

LBJ eventually became a good shooter.
Rondo is shooting 36% from 3s.
AD was starting to shoot 3s last year.
Bigs like DMC and Horford start to shoot 3s. Westbrook is a great mid range shooter.
Griffin is a great mid range and a decent 3pt shooter.
The best player in the league is a shooter.
The best wings in the league are good shooters or is threat from perimeter.

We can talk all day how x and y are elite dunkers shooter length blockers amazing court vision can dunk over 50 people. But their superstar status won't be reached until they become good shooters.

Both Simmons and Ingrams has the X factor to be superstar wings, if they end up being good shooters in the NBA.

*shooter meaning perimeter shot + high FG%/TS%

Dude give it a rest, you probably wrote the same thing at least 20 times... People can develop as shooters... Comparing Simmons to Turner is riduculous... Simmons is tall, athletic, has better vision, is a demon in transition, has great finishing skills, and has great BBIQ...

Turner has the BBIQ, and vision, but lacks finishing skills, athleticism, etc... They're not the same player. I was originally on the Ingram train, but then I realized that Jonathan Givony thinks Simmons murdered his dog, and decided to slander him over the last year...I also saw that although Ingram could become an all star, he may never become a super star...

Simmons has that potential... He can even be a superstar without shooting... As much as you say Super stars have to shoot, there are a ton that don't shoot... Including (Michael Jordan, Dwyane Wade, Magic Johnson, etc)...

[76ciology]

Yep but many don't understand. They want a lesser player. It really is mind boggling.

2010. Evan Turner was clearly the better player than Paul George.

It's not who's better right now. It's who's better in the NBA 3-5 years down the road.

If there's a common denominator with the offense of players in the league, it's shooting.

LBJ eventually became a good shooter.
Rondo is shooting 36% from 3s.
AD was starting to shoot 3s last year.
Bigs like DMC and Horford start to shoot 3s. Westbrook is a great mid range shooter.
Griffin is a great mid range and a decent 3pt shooter.
The best player in the league is a shooter.
The best wings in the league are good shooters or is threat from perimeter.

We can talk all day how x and y are elite dunkers shooter length blockers amazing court vision can dunk over 50 people. But their superstar status won't be reached until they become good shooters.

Both Simmons and Ingrams has the X factor to be superstar wings, if they end up being good shooters in the NBA.

*shooter meaning perimeter shot + high FG%/TS%

Shooting is the only thing that really gets improved with time though. Ingram won't improve in any of the areas Simmons is already elite in nearly as much as Simmons will improve in the one area Ingram is already elite in.

And what makes you say Ingram can never be elite with his defense and etc. I'm not saying he's better than KD but he was better in PnR and Iso than KD in points per possession. Had a higher 3PTr than KD and shot 41%. We're not just talking about a 6'9 spot up shooter with the standing reach of Karl Towns. Ingram has a good ball handling skills and is also well rounded on offense can also create for others and he's only 18.

[76ciology]

Yep but many don't understand. They want a lesser player. It really is mind boggling.

2010. Evan Turner was clearly the better player than Paul George.

It's not who's better right now. It's who's better in the NBA 3-5 years down the road.

If there's a common denominator with the offense of players in the league, it's shooting.

LBJ eventually became a good shooter.
Rondo is shooting 36% from 3s.
AD was starting to shoot 3s last year.
Bigs like DMC and Horford start to shoot 3s. Westbrook is a great mid range shooter.
Griffin is a great mid range and a decent 3pt shooter.
The best player in the league is a shooter.
The best wings in the league are good shooters or is threat from perimeter.

We can talk all day how x and y are elite dunkers shooter length blockers amazing court vision can dunk over 50 people. But their superstar status won't be reached until they become good shooters.

Both Simmons and Ingrams has the X factor to be superstar wings, if they end up being good shooters in the NBA.

*shooter meaning perimeter shot + high FG%/TS%

Dude give it a rest, you probably wrote the same thing at least 20 times... People can develop as shooters... Comparing Simmons to Turner is riduculous... Simmons is tall, athletic, has better vision, is a demon in transition, has great finishing skills, and has great BBIQ...

Turner has the BBIQ, and vision, but lacks finishing skills, athleticism, etc... They're not the same player. I was originally on the Ingram train, but then I realized that Jonathan Givony thinks Simmons murdered his dog, and decided to slander him over the last year...I also saw that although Ingram could become an all star, he may never become a super star...

Simmons has that potential... He can even be a superstar without shooting... As much as you say Super stars have to shoot, there are a ton that don't shoot... Including (Michael Jordan, Dwyane Wade, Magic Johnson, etc)...

Because we know how good Ingram and Simmons' non-shooting game are. It's their shooting that is the biggest mystery. And it's their shooting that is going to determine their chance for superstardom.

[eyeatoma]

2010. Evan Turner was clearly the better player than Paul George.

It's not who's better right now. It's who's better in the NBA 3-5 years down the road.

If there's a common denominator with the offense of players in the league, it's shooting.

LBJ eventually became a good shooter.
Rondo is shooting 36% from 3s.
AD was starting to shoot 3s last year.
Bigs like DMC and Horford start to shoot 3s. Westbrook is a great mid range shooter.
Griffin is a great mid range and a decent 3pt shooter.
The best player in the league is a shooter.
The best wings in the league are good shooters or is threat from perimeter.

We can talk all day how x and y are elite dunkers shooter length blockers amazing court vision can dunk over 50 people. But their superstar status won't be reached until they become good shooters.

Both Simmons and Ingrams has the X factor to be superstar wings, if they end up being good shooters in the NBA.

*shooter meaning perimeter shot + high FG%/TS%

Dude give it a rest, you probably wrote the same thing at least 20 times... People can develop as shooters... Comparing Simmons to Turner is riduculous... Simmons is tall, athletic, has better vision, is a demon in transition, has great finishing skills, and has great BBIQ...

Turner has the BBIQ, and vision, but lacks finishing skills, athleticism, etc... They're not the same player. I was originally on the Ingram train, but then I realized that Jonathan Givony thinks Simmons murdered his dog, and decided to slander him over the last year...I also saw that although Ingram could become an all star, he may never become a super star...

Simmons has that potential... He can even be a superstar without shooting... As much as you say Super stars have to shoot, there are a ton that don't shoot... Including (Michael Jordan, Dwyane Wade, Magic Johnson, etc)...

Because we know how good Ingram and Simmons' non-shooting game are. It's their shooting that is the biggest mystery. And it's their shooting that is going to determine their chance for superstardom.

No it's not... Shooting isn't the end all and be all of being a super star... People have given you tons of examples of super stars who aren't shooters... Yet you choose to ignore them, or make excuses about it...

[phiphan]

LBJ eventually became a good shooter.

And still dominated the league the many years when he wasn't. Also you admitted just a few pages ago that LeBron (and Westbrook) "are not good shooters," but merely threats.

Rondo is shooting 36% from 3s.

And in his all-star years he shot between 21%-24% from 3.

AD was starting to shoot 3s last year.

And was incredible in 14-15 when he only shot 12 during the season.

Bigs like DMC and Horford start to shoot 3s. Westbrook is a great mid range shooter.

Both Boogie and Horford did just fine when they didn't shoot them. Westbrook is 42.7% outside the paint, which is above average, maybe good, but not "great."

Griffin is a great mid range and a decent 3pt shooter.

39% outside the paint -- serviceable, but average... He's was 33% from 3pt on 18 attempts... You're making stuff up.

The best player in the league is a shooter.

And 3 years ago, the best player wasn't.

The best wings in the league are good shooters or is threat from perimeter.

Basically says nothing. OK, if Simmons is never able to be a threat from mid-range, he won't be a superstar wing.

[PhilasFinest]

Yep but many don't understand. They want a lesser player. It really is mind boggling.

2010. Evan Turner was clearly the better player than Paul George.

It's not who's better right now. It's who's better in the NBA 3-5 years down the road.

If there's a common denominator with the offense of players in the league, it's shooting.

LBJ eventually became a good shooter.
Rondo is shooting 36% from 3s.
AD was starting to shoot 3s last year.
Bigs like DMC and Horford start to shoot 3s. Westbrook is a great mid range shooter.
Griffin is a great mid range and a decent 3pt shooter.
The best player in the league is a shooter.
The best wings in the league are good shooters or is threat from perimeter.

We can talk all day how x and y are elite dunkers shooter length blockers amazing court vision can dunk over 50 people. But their superstar status won't be reached until they become good shooters.

Both Simmons and Ingrams has the X factor to be superstar wings, if they end up being good shooters in the NBA.

*shooter meaning perimeter shot + high FG%/TS%

Dude give it a rest, you probably wrote the same thing at least 20 times... People can develop as shooters... Comparing Simmons to Turner is riduculous... Simmons is tall, athletic, has better vision, is a demon in transition, has great finishing skills, and has great BBIQ...

Turner has the BBIQ, and vision, but lacks finishing skills, athleticism, etc... They're not the same player. I was originally on the Ingram train, but then I realized that Jonathan Givony thinks Simmons murdered his dog, and decided to slander him over the last year...I also saw that although Ingram could become an all star, he may never become a super star...

Simmons has that potential... He can even be a superstar without shooting... As much as you say Super stars have to shoot, there are a ton that don't shoot... Including (Michael Jordan, Dwyane Wade, Magic Johnson, etc)...

I don't think he is comparing Simmons to Turner. He's simply stating that in order to take your game to "star" level, you probably need to be a respectable shooter.

I made a lengthy post of guys like Griffin/Rondo/AD etc and how they improved or didn't improve their shots.

Simmons is starting off to a much better base in terms of shooting that many of those guys listed. He will be fine.

Im a firm believer that the issue is not that Simmons can't shoot, its simply he doesn't shoot enough.

[Unbreakable99]

Seriously. Can anyone tell me if they think Laker fans would be divided on choosing between Simmons and Ingram? Even Boston fans? This is why Sixers fans can't have anything nice. Smh. Some of you just want to hand a potential future MVP to the Lakers on a silver platter. You just want to hand a superstar to the Lakers. This is why the Lakers are always good. Some dumb team will mess up and just let a star waltz right to them. Smh.

[76ciology]

Dude give it a rest, you probably wrote the same thing at least 20 times... People can develop as shooters... Comparing Simmons to Turner is riduculous... Simmons is tall, athletic, has better vision, is a demon in transition, has great finishing skills, and has great BBIQ...

Turner has the BBIQ, and vision, but lacks finishing skills, athleticism, etc... They're not the same player. I was originally on the Ingram train, but then I realized that Jonathan Givony thinks Simmons murdered his dog, and decided to slander him over the last year...I also saw that although Ingram could become an all star, he may never become a super star...

Simmons has that potential... He can even be a superstar without shooting... As much as you say Super stars have to shoot, there are a ton that don't shoot... Including (Michael Jordan, Dwyane Wade, Magic Johnson, etc)...

Because we know how good Ingram and Simmons' non-shooting game are. It's their shooting that is the biggest mystery. And it's their shooting that is going to determine their chance for superstardom.

No it's not... Shooting isn't the end all and be all of being a super star... People have given you tons of examples of super stars who aren't shooters... Yet you choose to ignore them, or make excuses about it...

LBJ shoots 35% from his sweet spot. 45% at the mid range below it.

KD, Curry and Kawhi are 50/40/90 players.

Westbrook is a great midrange shooter at 42%

Context should be modern era and preferably players of same position. The game is played differently nowadays compared to how MJ, Penny or Drexler played it.

The mid range heavy triangle offense is now obsolete by itself.

Every elite offensive team are great shooting teams.

[eyeatoma]

Because we know how good Ingram and Simmons' non-shooting game are. It's their shooting that is the biggest mystery. And it's their shooting that is going to determine their chance for superstardom.

No it's not... Shooting isn't the end all and be all of being a super star... People have given you tons of examples of super stars who aren't shooters... Yet you choose to ignore them, or make excuses about it...

LBJ shoots 35% from his sweet spot. 45% at the mid range below it.

KD, Curry and Kawhi are 50/40/90 players.

Westbrook is a great midrange shooter at 42%

Context should be modern era and preferably players of same position. The game is played differently nowadays compared to how MJ, Penny or Drexler played it.

The mid range heavy triangle offense is now obsolete by itself.

Every elite offensive team are great shooting teams.

Okay, we'll if that's what you believe... I'm done... You're obviously not willing to listen when other people are trying to assuage your fears about him...

[phiphan]

LBJ shoots 35% from his sweet spot. 45% at the mid range below it.

43.9%, actually. Care to guess what Simmons is shooting in that same spot? 43%...

[76ciology]

The correlation between threes and efficient offense here is uncanny. The vast majority of the league just two years ago was shooting the three less than 25 percent of the time — and all those teams are jam-packed in the bottom-left corner of the graph. Only a select few squads were ahead of the curve, and it’s not rocket science to explain why — they had the personnel to shoot the lights out. The Knicks had Carmelo Anthony in a career year. The Rockets were in year one with James Harden leading the offense. The Clippers had Chris Paul and a veritable army of shooters around him. The Thunder had Durant. The Heat won a championship with a new and improved offense that thrived with shooting and spacing. Fittingly, the most memorable shot of the year was a corner three-pointer that Allen made to tie Game 6 of the NBA Finals against the Spurs.

We’re now in a golden age of three-point shooting — an era in which, every year, the teams that shoot the best from downtown rise to the top of the pack offensively. There are a couple of reasons for this. One is the way defenses have adapted over the years – because every team is anchored by a “rim protector” type and every team prioritizes quick, long guys who can adequately defend pick-and-rolls, you need to have good spacing to break down the advanced defenses in today’s league. The three has become a necessity.

The other reason for our modern three-point age? Simple — the personnel dictates the style of the game. We’ve never had fewer dominant big men in the game than we do today. Shooters, meanwhile, are en vogue. There are far more Durants, Hardens, Stephen Curries and Kyle Korvers than there are Shaquille O’Neals. Today? The NBA is a three-point shooting league. But tomorrow, if DeMarcus Cousins were to discover human cloning technology and copy himself five times? The game might swing back the other way, pronto.

For the moment, there’s no doubt that the three reigns supreme in our league. Baxter Holmes, who covers the Lakers for ESPN, noted in the wake of Byron Scott’s anti-three comments this preseason that seven of the last eight Finals winners have led all playoff teams in three-point attempts and makes. He’s right — and the preeminence of outside shooting isn’t just a postseason thing, either. It’s an all-year thing. In fact, that’s more the case now than it’s ever been.

http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/02/13/important-three-point-shot-todays-nba/

[76ciology]

LBJ shoots 35% from his sweet spot. 45% at the mid range below it.

43.9%, actually. Care to guess what Simmons is shooting in that same spot? 43%...

33% actually and with low volume.