Winter is Here: Welcome Dario Saric

[BoomBap]

If we ever trade him, I am done with this franchise. I couldn't handle it.

[XDevilBoiX]

If we ever trade him, I am done with this franchise. I couldn't handle it.

The only way I see them trading him if we sign a big FA this offseason or next and will be restrained by the cap. What is he really worth on the next contract? 20-24 mil a year?

[XtremeDunkz]

If we ever trade him, I am done with this franchise. I couldn't handle it.

The only way I see them trading him if we sign a big FA this offseason or next and will be restrained by the cap. What is he really worth on the next contract? 20-24 mil a year?

With all the money Hinkie saved ownership, and the selling of 2nd round picks by Colangelo, the team BETTER be willing to pay the luxury tax to keep this team together.

[sixers hoops]

If we ever trade him, I am done with this franchise. I couldn't handle it.

The only way I see them trading him if we sign a big FA this offseason or next and will be restrained by the cap. What is he really worth on the next contract? 20-24 mil a year?

With all the money Hinkie saved ownership, and the selling of 2nd round picks by Colangelo, the team BETTER be willing to pay the luxury tax to keep this team together.

I think they will.

[tk76]

The Saric contract issue is not as big a deal as JJ. Right now they need to renounce JJ's cap hold, and the full MLE cap-hold as part of fitting a max contract under the cap. So if the team adds a max player like Lebron they will only have the lower MLE (5M) to off JJ, which likely won't be enough. So it could mean choosing between JJ and adding a star.

But by the time Simmons and Saric are RFA the team will not longer have cap space regardless, so they will simply sign them over the cap using Bird Rights. So it's only a tax issue as opposed to choosing one player or another.

[Kabookalu]

Just from an outsider's perspective Saric is the perfect complementary 4 to Embiid. He's not just someone that can spot up, he can come off of screens or flare to the 3 point line, and doesn't need much gather to get his shot off. He's also capable of handling the ball too, and has good IQ where he can make smart plays (that tip pass to Simmons on the loose ball was sick). I'd much rather have him than Ibaka.

[kriss73]

The Saric contract issue is not as big a deal as JJ. Right now they need to renounce JJ's cap hold, and the full MLE cap-hold as part of fitting a max contract under the cap. So if the team adds a max player like Lebron they will only have the lower MLE (5M) to off JJ, which likely won't be enough. So it could mean choosing between JJ and adding a star.

But by the time Simmons and Saric are RFA the team will not longer have cap space regardless, so they will simply sign them over the cap using Bird Rights. So it's only a tax issue as opposed to choosing one player or another.

The MLE for standard/non taxpayer team is 8,568,000 $ in the 2018-2019 season.
So, if we sign JJ for 3 years, for example, with the MLE his contract will be equal to Lou Williams' contract.
I think it' s fair.

Then, if you factor in this year 23 M$, the whole contact would be equal to 48.8 M $ for 4 years. Super-fair I think.

[Ericb5]

The Saric contract issue is not as big a deal as JJ. Right now they need to renounce JJ's cap hold, and the full MLE cap-hold as part of fitting a max contract under the cap. So if the team adds a max player like Lebron they will only have the lower MLE (5M) to off JJ, which likely won't be enough. So it could mean choosing between JJ and adding a star.

But by the time Simmons and Saric are RFA the team will not longer have cap space regardless, so they will simply sign them over the cap using Bird Rights. So it's only a tax issue as opposed to choosing one player or another.

The MLE for standard/non taxpayer team is 8,568,000 $ in the 2018-2019 season.
So, if we sign JJ for 3 years, for example, with the MLE his contract will be equal to Lou Williams' contract.
I think it' s fair.

Then, if you factor in this year 23 M$, the whole contact would be equal to 48.8 M $ for 4 years. Super-fair I think.

I don't think that we will have access to those exemptions though because they are for capped out teams. They aren't for teams with enough cap room to sign a max free agent who then use it up and suddenly want relief.

If that were the case then signing JJ would be a non issue because 48 mil over 4 years would be great for him, and we could get away with renouncing him before we signed Lebron. Don't think that we can though.

[tk76]

It's a bit confusing, as there are 3 separate MLE levels depending on the team's cap position: 4.5M, 5M and 9M.

5M would require JJ to leave a lot of money on the table from other teams. I could still see it happening though, given his cashing in big time this past year, and wanting to be commutable from Brooklyn. Neither NY team seems like a viable option for him at this stage of his career.

Whether the Sixers have 9M or 5M will depend on whether signing Redick puts them over "the Apron," which is 6M over the Tax. If you figure they go to the Cap to add Lebron, then maybe they could be below the Apron to use the full larger MLE?


From cba faq: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

NON-TAXPAYER MID-LEVEL EXCEPTION — This exception is available only when a team is below the "Apron" (see question number 20). This determination is made after the exception is used, so a team below the Apron cannot use this exception if doing so takes it above the Apron. It cannot be used by a team that has already used the Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception or the Room Mid-Level exception. It allows a team to sign any free agent to a contract with a starting salary up to the following:

Season First-year salary
2017-18 $8.406 million

TAXPAYER MID-LEVEL EXCEPTION — This exception is available only when a team is above the "Apron" (see question number 20). This determination is made after the exception is used, so a team below the Apron must use this exception rather than the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception if doing so takes it above the Apron. It cannot be used by a team that has already used the Bi-Annual, Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level or the Room Mid-Level exception. It also cannot be used if the team has received a player that season in a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 92). It allows a team to sign any free agent to a contract with a starting salary up to the following:

Season First-year salary
2017-18 $5.192 million

ROOM MID-LEVEL EXCEPTION — This exception is available only to teams that drop far enough below the cap to use cap room, and therefore lose their Bi-Annual, Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level and Taxpayer Mid-Level exceptions (see question number 26). This exception cannot be used if the team already has used the Bi-Annual, Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level or Taxpayer Mid-Level exception. This exception becomes available once the team salary drops far enough that the team loses its other exceptions, and expires following the last day of the regular season. It allows a team to sign any free agent to a contract with a starting salary up to the following:

Season First-year salary
2017-18 $4.328 million

In 2017-18 the Apron is the point $6 million above the tax threshold. In subsequent seasons the Apron rises or falls by one-half the percentage that the salary cap rises or falls.

Here are the tax and Apron amounts in each season:

Season Tax Level Apron
2017-18 $119,266,000 $125,266,000

[Sixerscan]

Hopefully he can get back in a rhythm by the playoffs. Did not look 100% tonight. Was missing short a lot.

[Ericb5]

Hopefully he can get back in a rhythm by the playoffs. Did not look 100% tonight. Was missing short a lot.

Just goes to show you that players need a few games before they catch back up.

He should be good by the playoffs.


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[ivysixer2000]

Hopefully he can get back in a rhythm by the playoffs. Did not look 100% tonight. Was missing short a lot.

Just goes to show you that players need a few games before they catch back up.

He should be good by the playoffs.


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I'm still worried about his elbow, and if its bothering his shot since he was coming up short so much.

I figure its bothering his extension on the shot, and if so we probably need to sit him for the next few games although we need them badly.

[Ericb5]

Hopefully he can get back in a rhythm by the playoffs. Did not look 100% tonight. Was missing short a lot.

Just goes to show you that players need a few games before they catch back up.

He should be good by the playoffs.


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I'm still worried about his elbow, and if its bothering his shot since he was coming up short so much.

I figure its bothering his extension on the shot, and if so we probably need to sit him for the next few games although we need them badly.

He removed the sleeves on his arms during the game so maybe it was bothering him.

Still, the playoffs are still more than a week away, and this was an infection on a cut. Hopefully antibiotics are running their course.




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[kriss73]

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Playoff-Dario will be the best Dario. Book it.

[mithrandir17]

If we ever trade him, I am done with this franchise. I couldn't handle it.

The only way I see them trading him if we sign a big FA this offseason or next and will be restrained by the cap. What is he really worth on the next contract? 20-24 mil a year?

I think if the revenue of the playoffs is still greater than what they will be paying in luxury tax, the ownership will still keep our core.

[bobbeaver]

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Playoff-Dario will be the best Dario. Book it.

Well u called it! He was dagger awesome. If he continues playing this way and his elbow gets better... oh man.

Thinking about it i love this team how diverse it is. This might be the most international team (defenitively is looking at our core) and most racially diverse (50-50) in the playoffs. Not that it matters but its kinda cool.

[Kova]

This is a World Dream Team right here.

[TheZachAttack]

Dario Saric is going to be extremely important for the Sixers success going forward. I think the Sixers should think of Saric/Covington as their "3rd max player" and the $30-35m they pay these to is the perfect fit they have playing off of Simmons/Embiid

Saric is the perfect complement to Simmons with his shooting ability and secondary ball-handling ability. Covington's skill-set and lack of ball-dominance also works perfectly with their two superstars offensively. And defensively his defensive versatility and length makes for arguably the best and longest perimeter duo with him and Simmons. They work so well together and generate so many TOs.

Saric is averaging 18/8/3 per 36 on 50% 2 PT FG - 40% 3 PT FG - 86% FT - 54.1% eFG - 58.2% TS. He's probably earned 32-34mpg instead of the 28-30mpg he has gotten this year.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him average 17/7/3 on close to 50/40/90 shooting splits if given 32-34 minutes per game.

This is a Saric thread so I won't talk about Covington too much, but his game should age really well. His ability to hit 37-38% on 3's and willingness to play without the ball on offense and chip in 13-14 points is huge too. 13/6/2 with 2.5-3 stl + blk on 42/38/85 is insane value. The fact that he's only a 11-12m dollar player too makes him one of the most valuable contracts in the league.

30 points - 13-15 rebounds - 5 assists - 4 stl + blks on really good efficiency that can naturally play as secondary options is well worth the 30-35m you'll play them once Saric gets his next contract.
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Comparing Saric and Covington to a player like Wiggins, who HAS to play with the ball, we generally think of off-ball secondary scoring options as "less valuable", but I would argue that in the modern NBA...the ability to play without the ball and off of ball-dominant stars is one of the most valuable skills that a player can have. I think playings like Covington or say Wayne Ellington are the biggest market value right now. You can get these guys for 7-10m if that. While players like Jeff Teague for example, who have to play with the ball, will get much more. Patty Mills playstyle, for example, on a team with ball-dominant stars is worth much more value than a ball-dominant player even with less "pure production" because they allow everyone to play in roles that focus on the strengths of their game.

In a vacuum Teague>Mills, but as soon as Butler or Towns gets the ball in their hands...Teague is an off-ball player trying to space the floor...Mills>Teague. And even though a player like Teague is a fairly solid player when asked to drive, score, and create with the ball in his hands...an offense and team led by Jeff Teague isn't going to succeed against contenders.

Despite not being better players than some others in a vacuum, players like Saric and Covington allow Simmons and Embiid to spend as much time as possible on the court operating using the strengths of their game while the strengths of both Covington and Saric can be maximized by the ball-dominant player making everyone play at their best--it's symbiotic rather than a give and take. You can tell just by watching the way the Sixers offense looks versus the way the Timberwolves offense looks.

That skillset is an ability and a talent, it should be at a high premium.
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But back to the point, I'm really happy for Sixers fans that Saric has developed as he has. He's a really great player and an awesome fit with the Sixers personal. I think he's pretty close to the prototype for a modern NBA 4. I hope he continues to grab a bigger role and continues to improve.

[bobbeaver]

Ok soooo noone is talking about this. But Saric has insane stats in the playoffs.
21.5 ppg with incredible 47.8% from 3pt 41.3% (ruined it a bit this game) for 2 and 87.5% ft and 7 reb and 3 assists.
He has been the one steady thing during last 3 games and really stepped up his game. Even with such a tough D like Miami. Real props to the guy

[Ericb5]

Ok soooo noone is talking about this. But Saric has insane stats in the playoffs.
21.5 ppg with incredible 47.8% from 3pt 41.3% (ruined it a bit this game) for 2 and 87.5% ft and 7 reb and 3 assists.
He has been the one steady thing during last 3 games and really stepped up his game. Even with such a tough D like Miami. Real props to the guy

He is starting to really establish himself as a clutch player. If his feet are set, and he has room to get off his shot, he hits 3 out of 4 shots from 3.


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