Fixing the Mess Pt. 2 Sixers Offseason

Sportfan73 · Post #1061 » by **Sportfan73** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:05 pm

fl311 wrote:
Sportfan73 wrote:
fl311 wrote:Buddy Hield is not the "significant" move. That is something that has been discussed. I hope to hear more as the day goes on but all i know as of this morning is Ben is still not being discussed.

Lavine???

I have heard a few names tossed around (Lavine is one) but no concrete details so I won’t reveal too much more.

I suppose we could both say screw Houston and Dinwiddie could be an option too

Post #1062 » by **Sixerscan** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:06 pm

DT RAW wrote:edit quoted wrong post

smh at people talking about jrich and a pick for fox LOLOL

guys plz

Bro you have been banned from this site like 4 times. If you don’t like the people that post here and can’t react to something you disagree with without acting like this I’m not sure why you keep coming back.

jotachase · Post #1063 » by **jotachase** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:07 pm

Lavine would be a great fit offensively and hopefully either he improves a little on the defensive end or more likely you do your best to cover up his flaws there by having players like Ben and Embiid around him.

He was one of the main guys I was hoping they'd target before all the Harden stuff started

76ciology · Post #1064 » by **76ciology** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:11 pm

Read on Twitter

Mik317 · Post #1065 » by **Mik317** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:11 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
DT RAW wrote:edit quoted wrong post

smh at people talking about jrich and a pick for fox LOLOL

guys plz

Bro you have been banned from this site like 4 times. If you don’t like the people that post here and can’t react to something you disagree with without acting like this I’m not sure why you keep coming back.

lol I thought that was him lol

HardenToSixers · Post #1066 » by **HardenToSixers** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:12 pm

76ciology wrote:

Read on Twitter

Dumas is right

cool93 · Post #1067 » by **cool93** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:12 pm

Negrodamus wrote:If our big splash is Buddy Hield... boy that will let the air out of the Daryl Morey balloon for me.

He is very good, not a magician though. He can't just transform our trash into treasure in a couple of days.

Skates · Post #1068 » by **Skates** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:13 pm

The Rockets are in a weird position that they put themselves in. Trading Covington for picks looks like a clear salary cutting and rebuild move, yet at the same time they are trying to act as if Harden should have some reason to stay. Certainly they have him under contract and possess that leverage, but if he pouts and his play suffers, so does his value and their return. If they wanted to convince him to stay they aren't making any moves to make that seem remotely plausible and all bidders can see that. It looks like it will be a miserable place to play for years with their owner basically making it so no one from the coach to the GM to the superstars want to stay there.

bball4life · Post #1069 » by **bball4life** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:16 pm

Sixersftw wrote:If Lavine is reasonably priced, he can be hid defensively and ticks a lot of boxes offensively. He's not perfect but it could be worse, compensation dependent.

I don't think he will be reasonably priced though, isn't he far and away the their best player? I mean, given the fact he's 25 years old and seeing what Jrue Holliday just netted for the Pelicans.... this scares me.

Mik317 · Post #1070 » by **Mik317** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:19 pm

bball4life wrote:
Sixersftw wrote:If Lavine is reasonably priced, he can be hid defensively and ticks a lot of boxes offensively. He's not perfect but it could be worse, compensation dependent.

I don't think he will be reasonably priced though, isn't he far and away the their best player? I mean, given the fact he's 25 years old and seeing what Jrue Holliday just netted for the Pelicans.... this scares me.

I think if they trade up or get Ball, he may be expendable or just want out.

Negrodamus · Post #1071 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:19 pm

cool93 wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:If our big splash is Buddy Hield... boy that will let the air out of the Daryl Morey balloon for me.

He is very good, not a magician though. He can't just transform our trash into treasure in a couple of days.

As I said before, if it's something like Horford for Hield straight up, then I'm on board. If we're getting into picks or young prospects for him, then it's a stupid move.

I'm actually very realistic of Morey's capabilities given our situation. I just don't want him to blow the remainder of assets on a three point chucker who fought with his two out of the three coaches he's had in the league.

GutUNC · Post #1072 » by **GutUNC** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:19 pm

DT RAW wrote:lavine is the PERFECT buy low guy who can blossom into a stud

uber athletic, young, good 3 point shot, gets to the line, good handle, good around the basket..

you teach and demand defense, it is NOT a skill or trait that you have

Why is the assumption that you'd be able to "buy low" on him right now?

Negrodamus · Post #1073 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:20 pm

GutUNC wrote:
DT RAW wrote:lavine is the PERFECT buy low guy who can blossom into a stud

uber athletic, young, good 3 point shot, gets to the line, good handle, good around the basket..

you teach and demand defense, it is NOT a skill or trait that you have

Why is the assumption that you'd be able to "buy low" on him right now?

There shouldn't be. His value is the highest it's ever been.

Post #1074 » by **Stanford** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:21 pm

I guess I'm out of the loop. Why is Lavine being considered a buy low candidate? He just averaged his career high in points per game at 24 and isn't injured.

Edit: okay, so you guys don't get it either. Good.

Skates · Post #1075 » by **Skates** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:23 pm

Presti and Griffin have made excellent hauls above what the expected market would pay for Jrue and CP3. You don't hunt in those places. That's why they are two of the best.

Remember Marc Eversley, follower and acolyte of the Collar and a big part of the Collab, he is now the GM in Chicago. What better place for Morey to set his sights and hunt for a foolish bargain on the other end?

TTP · Post #1076 » by **TTP** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:23 pm

DT RAW wrote:lavine is the PERFECT buy low guy who can blossom into a stud

uber athletic, young, good 3 point shot, gets to the line, good handle, good around the basket..

you teach and demand defense, it is NOT a skill or trait that you have

He's not really young - he's 26 in a few months. Average peak is ~27.5. He's also a bit of a chucker, isn't a good facilitator, is a bad defender, and has been awful in impact stats.

2019-20 RAPM rank among all NBA players: 482 (395 luck adjusted)
3 year RAPM rank: 697 (396)
5 year RAPM: 861 (843)

That's absolutely atrocious over a large sample size of minutes and usage. I think there's a huge gap between his perceived production and his actual impact.

bball4life · Post #1077 » by **bball4life** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:24 pm

Skates wrote:The Rockets are in a weird position that they put themselves in. Trading Covington for picks looks like a clear salary cutting and rebuild move, yet at the same time they are trying to act as if Harden should have some reason to stay. Certainly they have him under contract and possess that leverage, but if he pouts and his play suffers, so does his value and their return. If they wanted to convince him to stay they aren't making any moves to make that seem remotely plausible and all bidders can see that. It looks like it will be a miserable place to play for years with their owner basically making it so no one from the coach to the GM to the superstars want to stay there.

Of course they want to trade him. They just aren't going to give him away and appease Harden's every whim. I mean when Jrue nets multiple first rounders (including an unprotected one) and pick swaps you can't conceivably take less for Harden. If this was the last year of his contract things would be different. The teams with guys saying "you better trade for this guy or I won't be happy" have given away tremendous value for those players. Why should Houston settle for anything less (see Paul George, Westbrook trades)

youngcrev · Post #1078 » by **youngcrev** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:26 pm

Stanford wrote:I guess I'm out of the loop. Why is Lavine being considered a buy low candidate? He just averaged his career high in points per game at 24 and isn't injured.

Edit: okay, so you guys don't get it either. Good.

I'd say he's only a buy-low if you think he can make a leap towards being an actual star. The perception of him from most analyst types is that he's an empty stats player. I don't think trade values are determined by sorting PPG as much as they used to be. Though those are the people that seem to think he can be a star, so...

76ciology · Post #1079 » by **76ciology** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:28 pm

HardenToSixers wrote:
76ciology wrote:

Read on Twitter

Dumas is right

One day I have to know what’s so special about Ben that we chose him or are choosing him over Kawhi, Jimmy and Harden.

Right now this is like Iggy at his 20-5-5 peak and not wanting to trade him for Tracy McGrady.

Does Ben have Josh Harris’ laptop?

HardenToSixers · Post #1080 » by **HardenToSixers** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:28 pm

I don't understand why more teams aren't in the mix for Harden. If the Celtics trade for Harden, he is just going to sit out? I feel like the Nuggets could offer something around MPJ, the Celtics could offer up a package, the warriors could find a trade, the list goes on without surveying too much. Even the Bucks should've made that trade happen for Harden instead of setting the market so high with the Jrue package and would've been better off (even despite Harden and Giannis hating each other). I just don't really understand what is going on. Unless the Nets pick package is absolutely absurd I'm not sure why the Nets would value the players they are getting in that deal over some of the young players with more upside half the league could offer.