2020-2021 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[Stanford]

Why is Tre Mann being mocked so low?

His YouTube scouting videos look identical to SGA's from Kentucky

[Kobblehead]

Why is Tre Mann being mocked so low?

His YouTube scouting videos look identical to SGA's from Kentucky

People generally suck at evaluating talent (even those who get paid to do it).

and/or

There may be some bad character stuff.

I honestly don't know much about his personality.

[stormi]

Do we still do player visits anymore? Or are we just drafting way too late.

Seen the Clippers at 25 have brought in Hyland/McBride and Grimes for personal eval

[Kobblehead]

Do we still do player visits anymore? Or are we just drafting way too late.

Seen the Clippers at 25 have brought in Hyland/McBride and Grimes for personal eval

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-draft-workouts/

We're one of the least active NBA teams so far.

[stormi]

Do we still do player visits anymore? Or are we just drafting way too late.

Seen the Clippers at 25 have brought in Hyland/McBride and Grimes for personal eval

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-draft-workouts/

We're one of the least active NBA teams so far.

Weird. Either they don't expect to keep the pick or they're comfortable taking a select range of guys.

Or they're doing their work behind the scenes like last year when Brand was lurking around Arkansas/Musselman

[Kobblehead]

Personally, I think prospect workouts are antiquated. The college video and metrics are sufficient from a skills scouting perspective. The only other things I'd really want to do is talk with the kid on Skype like 3-5 times for a few hour-long sessions to get a gauge for his character and professionalism. Hopefully that's what Morey has been doing in lieu of the actual workouts.

[SparksFly87]

Trey Murphy should be on 76ers by the end of the draft.

[76ciology]

Why is Tre Mann being mocked so low?

His YouTube scouting videos look identical to SGA's from Kentucky

SGA is a lot better. Upside is also better and also a lot better physical profile. He’s short. 6’4 with a 6’4 wingspan.

But i also agree that he’s mocked so low.

[Kobblehead]

Trey Murphy should be on 76ers by the end of the draft.

Hard to justify taking a PF at #28 who is a significantly worse prospect than Paul Reed. We need players that make a difference in the playoffs.

[76ciology]

Personally, I think prospect workouts are antiquated. The college video and metrics are sufficient from a skills scouting perspective. The only other things I'd really want to do is talk with the kid on Skype like 3-5 times for a few hour-long sessions to get a gauge for his character and professionalism. Hopefully that's what Morey has been doing in lieu of the actual workouts.

I dont think it would be enough and could may even be a noise that could stray you away from making a good decision.

I’d rather do background checks or put value on those, if that’s the case where you have a larger sample size of years than 3-5 hours.

These days i wont be surprised if the prospects are heavily coached by their agents on how to handle interviews.

[kriss73]

Trey Murphy should be on 76ers by the end of the draft.

Hard to justify taking a PF at #28 who is a significantly worse prospect than Paul Reed. We need players that make a difference in the playoffs.

So...Sixers should pick up Ayayi and run away.

[Kobblehead]

Honestly, I don't know why Ayayi is even known in the draft community as a draftable prospect.

He's an upperclassman with no standout abilities.

[Kobblehead]

Damn, Texas about the win the whole thing next year.

Marcus Carr and Dylan Disu through transfer? Wow.

[76ciology]

Honestly, I don't know why Ayayi is even known in the draft community as a draftable prospect.

He's an upperclassman with no standout abilities.

He’s actually one guy im looking at yesterday because his numbers looks good.

But he’s a role player through and through. His base skillset is really poor, he doesnt have anything that stands out in abilities, physical tools or athleticism.

People are impressed with his ability to cut to the basket. Im like.. “who cares..”

He’s a second round player to me.

[76ciology]

The thing with drafts is there’s a lot of noise that can get you derailed.

You need to know which feature of the prospect to value and which to disregard, relative to how the game is played in the NBA.

The biggest problem is sometimes we have this bias to blur fantasy of what we want to happen to reality. Like for instance Giddey or Keon Johnson. Those two are “unique” as players. Giddey got the size and passing skills while Keon Johnson got freakish athleticism.

But who cares.. those are not the skills you want from guards. You need someone who can SHOOT and SCORE on volume.

Then you have Cam Thomas. He can score and shoot on volume, but you tend to focus on other areas like his defense and his %s. But if you look at his offensive numbers, it has great substance and on eyetest and its not like he’s just padding those stats. Cam Thomas is a prospect that gives you exactly what you need for a SG in the NBA. Thats why he should be in the lottery for me.

Im not certain that he’ll be a star but he’s a GOOD BET. That’s all you can do. Make GOOD BETS. Because you dont really know the future until it happens. Who knew Fultz will end up like that?!

You look at Evan Mobley. Ive been saying he shouldnt be drafted higher than eithee Cade or Jalen. And look what’s happening now. Looks like he’s really sliding to 3. If Suggs can show ability to score on volume, Mobley could even slide to 4th.

For a top 3 pick, you dont pass up perimeter prospects over bigs unless you’re talking about possibly generational big prospects. And even then, it still rational to pass up those type of bigs depending on your situation and time horizon.

In drafting you need to have a clear picture of what you need from every position.

What do i need from a franchise player? Someone who is a black hole at the post or an elite lob catcher?

What do i need from a guard? Someone who’s athletic or someone who can shoot?

Why are you overvaluing defense when you already know the value of defense is really low in the NBA?

If Gobert is in the draft, I wouldnt draft him in the lottery. I’ll draft Jordan Clarkson. Then if it flops, i’ll reset and repeat.

Eventually I will win.

[76ciology]

Its like in fantasy basketball. Theres a lot of players that are ranked high but dont really move the needle. You need to pass those guys and let other suckers draft them.

Another guy is Sengun.

Who cares if he can be Nurkic or Kanter 2.0

You want a big? Get Alex Len, Dragan Bender, Theis or Dedmon for cheap

[yuuby]

Personally, I think prospect workouts are antiquated. The college video and metrics are sufficient from a skills scouting perspective. The only other things I'd really want to do is talk with the kid on Skype like 3-5 times for a few hour-long sessions to get a gauge for his character and professionalism. Hopefully that's what Morey has been doing in lieu of the actual workouts.

If they took workouts seruously like Danny Ainge did we would have never drafted Fultz. The guy bricked so many jumpers and free throws in that livestream the 76ers posted that Im still shocked they toom him no. 1 after that.

Bodner was trying to waive it off and imply shooting workouts are useless. Apparently not.

[kriss73]

Honestly, I don't know why Ayayi is even known in the draft community as a draftable prospect.

He's an upperclassman with no standout abilities.

He’s actually one guy im looking at yesterday because his numbers looks good.

But he’s a role player through and through. His base skillset is really poor, he doesnt have anything that stands out in abilities, physical tools or athleticism.

People are impressed with his ability to cut to the basket. Im like.. “who cares..”

He’s a second round player to me.

Infact our first round pick is basically a second round pick.
Either you're drafting and developing (so Ayayi isn't your guy) or your trying to find the next Brigdon (and Ayayi MIGHT be your guy).

[stormi]

Was watching a Keon Johnson video and saw they played Florida, so I found a summarized game on youtube without any of the prior context to get another raw impression on Mann/Springer/Johnson.

Watch on YouTube

Jaden Springer, C-. Didn't do much. Didn't look overly skilled with the ball in his hand, not the most explosive athlete either. Had some solid layups in transition, but didn't do much of note in isolation. Unique style of play too, he wants to play bully ball.Would be pretty far down my list of preferred draft targets.

Tre Mann, A. Started slow, was going at Keon Johnson a lot who was tasked of guarding him. Only two points in the first half, missing makeable looks. But he started cooking in the second half. Pretty shot stroke and superbly talented off the dribble. I just wish he had a positive wingspan. Played a decent amount of two guard in this one.

Keon Johnson, B+. Had a solid and well rounded game. I still like him a lot. Was a hound defensively. Made plays in the open court. Tried to do some things off the dribble and shot really well out of the midrange. Very curious to see where his career goes, he's definitely a ball of clay at the moment, but he can be molded into something special.

[76ciology]

Honestly, I don't know why Ayayi is even known in the draft community as a draftable prospect.

He's an upperclassman with no standout abilities.

He’s actually one guy im looking at yesterday because his numbers looks good.

But he’s a role player through and through. His base skillset is really poor, he doesnt have anything that stands out in abilities, physical tools or athleticism.

People are impressed with his ability to cut to the basket. Im like.. “who cares..”

He’s a second round player to me.

Infact our first round pick is basically a second round pick.
Either you're drafting and developing (so Ayayi isn't your guy) or your trying to find the next Brigdon (and Ayayi MIGHT be your guy).

Malcolm Brogdon? For me Brogdon was a lottery pick prospect based on numbers alone