The Tomjas Thread

[Wilfried]

2 major problems

Blazers want Simmons

Celtics want Simmons

Spurs want Simmons

Nobody wants Harris and he’s not being offered anyway

Everyone wants Simmons but no one wants to pay much for him

[DCasey91]

Finals Championship Squad:

Murray/Maxey
CJ/Curry
Brown/Korklord
Niang/Roco
Embiid/Drummond

Harris 36
Ben 31
Green 10
Thybulle 2.8
Springer 2
Milton 1.8

83.6 mil total

CJ 30.8
Brown 24.8
Murray 15.4
Roco 12.9

83.9 mil total

+ 2 1st rnd picks added. We are going to build not one but two playoff teams. 48mins of FU don’t bring in no rotational players vs us.

As team creation we are going to just out value everybody. We are Modern Jund!

...Now to work on the actual trade deals

2 major problems

Blazers, Spurs and Celtics are all allegedly interested in Simmons

Nobody wants Harris and he’s not being offered anyway

Not with that attitude.

[Tomjas]

2 major problems

Blazers want Simmons

Celtics want Simmons

Spurs want Simmons

Nobody wants Harris and he’s not being offered anyway

Everyone wants Simmons but no one wants to pay much for him

Pretty much

They know a trade is inevitable and are waiting us out

Might change as season progresses

[Tomjas]

Finals Championship Squad:

Murray/Maxey
CJ/Curry
Brown/Korklord
Niang/Roco
Embiid/Drummond

Harris 36
Ben 31
Green 10
Thybulle 2.8
Springer 2
Milton 1.8

83.6 mil total

CJ 30.8
Brown 24.8
Murray 15.4
Roco 12.9

83.9 mil total

+ 2 1st rnd picks added. We are going to build not one but two playoff teams. 48mins of FU don’t bring in no rotational players vs us.

As team creation we are going to just out value everybody. We are Modern Jund!

...Now to work on the actual trade deals

2 major problems

Blazers, Spurs and Celtics are all allegedly interested in Simmons

Nobody wants Harris and he’s not being offered anyway

Not with that attitude.

Someone will eventually trade for Simmons as GMs get desperate

Harris is more likely a glorified salary dump

[Kolkmania]

Portland lost again, the Neil Olshey investigation and Lillard shows signs of playing through injury issues.

This summer Covington, Nurkic, Zeller and Simons (RFA) will all be free agents, while Lillard, CJ, Powell, Nance and Little already take up 107 million of their cap.
So once again, they have no option other than resigning as many player as possible, while inevitably lose some of those free agents due to looming luxury tax.

They have to reallocate some money, Lillard, CJ, Powell and Simons have too many overlapping skills. I wonder what Simons could do with a higher usage rate.

[Tomjas]

Portland lost again, the Neil Olshey investigation and Lillard shows signs of playing through injury issues.

This summer Covington, Nurkic, Zeller and Simons (RFA) will all be free agents, while Lillard, CJ, Powell, Nance and Little already take up 107 million of their cap.
So once again, they have no option other than resigning as many player as possible, while inevitably lose some of those free agents due to looming luxury tax.

They have to reallocate some money, Lillard, CJ, Powell and Simons have too many overlapping skills. I wonder what Simons could do with a higher usage rate.

Their owner is worth $70 billion + and doesn’t like basketball

Team cost her brother $70 million

Good luck with logic

[76ciology]

Per 36, Milton is averaging just one point less than Dejounte Murray, while providing you better PnR scoring (milton 1.18ppp vs dejounte .63ppp ) and career shooting %s.

Advantage with Dejounte Murray is he can steal some rebounds from Embiid and Drummond and probably be wiped less on a screen or 2 off PnRs. While providing better spacing to our shooters (4 out offense is poor spacing for shooters), but not for Biid, by being at the dunker spot.

[76ciology]

Im not even sure I want Lillard THAT MUCH right now.

I mean, if I can trade Ben for Lillard. No brainer.

But if they ask more than Ben? Hmm…

Most I can give is Ben and Milton for Lillard.

[the_process]

Portland lost again, the Neil Olshey investigation and Lillard shows signs of playing through injury issues.

This summer Covington, Nurkic, Zeller and Simons (RFA) will all be free agents, while Lillard, CJ, Powell, Nance and Little already take up 107 million of their cap.
So once again, they have no option other than resigning as many player as possible, while inevitably lose some of those free agents due to looming luxury tax.

They have to reallocate some money, Lillard, CJ, Powell and Simons have too many overlapping skills. I wonder what Simons could do with a higher usage rate.

Their owner is worth $70 billion + and doesn’t like basketball

Team cost her brother $70 million

Good luck with logic

I imagine if Lillard starts complaining that would motivate her, though. At some point, the losing is gonna break him. They are no better than a play in team as is.

Also, Griffin has to be hearing the footsteps in NO. 1-10 with a team expected to at least compete for the playoffs. Yes, no Zion; but even a blind man can see Zion can't fix all of their problems.

Boston is already panicking a little. Minnesota has new owners and a bad team. San Antonio needs a centerpiece, and I can't imagine Pop wants to go out with a lottery team. Atlanta and Indiana are worse than expected, and Charlotte desperately wants to make the playoffs again.

[Negrodamus]

Probably should have traded Ben for DeRozan+ like I was suggesting last season. Last five games averaging 31ppg, 8 FTA, and is shooting 2 3FGA per game at 45%. Dude would have been a match made in heaven with Embiid.

[jbent87]

Im not even sure I want Lillard THAT MUCH right now.

I mean, if I can trade Ben for Lillard. No brainer.

But if they ask more than Ben? Hmm…

Most I can give is Ben and Milton for Lillard.

yep. The window to consider Maxey as filler to add to Ben has closed. Sorry not sorry, NBA.

I now have a closer eye on the future of this team with Maxey/Thybulle as the building blocks, JIC something happens to Embiid. That future could be a lot closer than we think so gotta protect ourselves.

[Murray_17]

Everyone wants Simmons but no one wants to pay much for him

Yeah, but no one wants Tobias nor want to pay much for him

It's what its in reality

[76ciology]

For a team like the Wolves, Blazers or Celtics, Tobias is grossly overpaid.

But on our team, Ben is the one grossly overpaid. And us being a much better team without him and him costing us the last 2-3 playoffs by clogging the paint or shooting poorly on FTs making him a liability would speak for itself.

With how effective the PnR is.. imagine the stress you have to put on a team’s offense with you preventing a team being able to run it. Ask Jimmy Butler.

..and its not like you are shutting down Kawhi, Trae or Giannis nor were you anchoring the defense. If only Ben can anchor a defense, we wouldnt need to sign D12. But he can’t.

He’s just riding Embiid being a +/- god. Without playing so much with embiid, imagine how bad his +/- would be.

With Ben’s salary, I’d rather use that money to pay Niang or Drummond.

[Mik317]

Ben is not really overpaid imo.

For Ben, you paid him based off of his potential at the time. He didn;'t reach it...and that sucks but 30/30 teams would have made the same bet.

Tobias is harder to justify as we were competing against no one; it just felt like that with Jimmy wanting out, they couldn't lose both of the guys they traded for....

But a lot of this is hindsight is 20/20. You had a green GM looking to pick up the pieces after the previous one shat his pants. Going w/ Elton to be the one running the ship was just a poor decision and a lot of the current issues stem from that. A more established guy who didn't have to make his name and prove to the world anything and I don't think we;d be in this spot right now. The Jimmy trade, The Tobias trade, maxing Ben to keep him engaged, signing Horford, The second Jimmy trade, Maxing Tobias...all desperate moves that cost capital that would be useful right now (lost in this is being sniped by Ainge to get Mattise). That was a lot of moving parts, part of the reason this season is off to a better than expected start is the continuity. Niang and Drummond are new..but they are also simply filling the holes of Scott and Dwight; doing the same stuff we asked of them but better.

Again I think Morey is overrated by internet nerds but so far the simple act of not rocking the boat too much has been better for the team than the constant wheeling and dealing of the past and that has a lot to do with the fact that his rep allows that seeming complacency that Brand and Bryan wasn't allowed because both had to prove themselves...Morey can coast on his past for a bit lol....which again makes this Ben trade that more important..he George Hills that one up and then he on Howie Roseman time (then again Howie has pics of Lurie eating babies or some ****...so maybe not lol)

[Murray_17]

But a lot of this is hindsight is 20/20. You had a green GM looking to pick up the pieces after the previous one shat his pants. Going w/ Elton to be the one running the ship was just a poor decision and a lot of the current issues stem from that. A more established guy who didn't have to make his name and prove to the world anything and I don't think we;d be in this spot right now. The Jimmy trade, The Tobias trade, maxing Ben to keep him engaged, signing Horford, The second Jimmy trade, Maxing Tobias...all desperate moves that cost capital that would be useful right now (lost in this is being sniped by Ainge to get Mattise). That was a lot of moving parts, part of the reason this season is off to a better than expected start is the continuity. Niang and Drummond are new..but they are also simply filling the holes of Scott and Dwight; doing the same stuff we asked of them but better.

TBF with Elton and Brett this wasn't an Ainge move as the urban myth says.

Matisse explained it in the JJ podcast. He was given a promise to be drafted by the Sixers, but the day of the draft the team was let know that the Grizzlies (who were on the table just before us) wanted to draft Matisse too, so we traded with the team before the Grizzlies to get him, which happened to be Boston.

[sogood]

Per 36, Milton is averaging just one point less than Dejounte Murray, while providing you better PnR scoring (milton 1.18ppp vs dejounte .63ppp ) and career shooting %s.

Advantage with Dejounte Murray is he can steal some rebounds from Embiid and Drummond and probably be wiped less on a screen or 2 off PnRs. While providing better spacing to our shooters (4 out offense is poor spacing for shooters), but not for Biid, by being at the dunker spot.

yeah it's not like Murray is one of the best defensive guard in the league while Milton has trouble guarding his own shadow, oh wait...

[76ciology]

Per 36, Milton is averaging just one point less than Dejounte Murray, while providing you better PnR scoring (milton 1.18ppp vs dejounte .63ppp ) and career shooting %s.

Advantage with Dejounte Murray is he can steal some rebounds from Embiid and Drummond and probably be wiped less on a screen or 2 off PnRs. While providing better spacing to our shooters (4 out offense is poor spacing for shooters), but not for Biid, by being at the dunker spot.

yeah it's not like Murray is one of the best defensive guard in the league while Milton has trouble guarding his own shadow, oh wait...

Have you see Milton play defense?

Who cares about defense at G position? You’d prefer Pat Beverly over Lillard?

The G is just going to be wiped by a screen everytime he’s on the floor. A lot of the top guards in the league a poor defenders. Harden, Lillard, Kyrie and etc.

What’s important is how good you are on offense as a guard.

And again, Milton isnt a bad defender. I’d even say that he’s a good defender. He’s even been playing a lot of 3 for the last two games

Dejounte’s scoring is unacceptable to Sixers standard. Specially that .63ppp on PnR.

That’s like letting Paul Reed run pick and roll.

[Iverson Armband]

Probably should have traded Ben for DeRozan+ like I was suggesting last season. Last five games averaging 31ppg, 8 FTA, and is shooting 2 3FGA per game at 45%. Dude would have been a match made in heaven with Embiid.

Would of been a great trade.

Of course, people had their nose in the air thinking we were somehow above a Derozan/Ben swap (some still do). Now look.

[sogood]

Per 36, Milton is averaging just one point less than Dejounte Murray, while providing you better PnR scoring (milton 1.18ppp vs dejounte .63ppp ) and career shooting %s.

Advantage with Dejounte Murray is he can steal some rebounds from Embiid and Drummond and probably be wiped less on a screen or 2 off PnRs. While providing better spacing to our shooters (4 out offense is poor spacing for shooters), but not for Biid, by being at the dunker spot.

yeah it's not like Murray is one of the best defensive guard in the league while Milton has trouble guarding his own shadow, oh wait...

Have you see Milton play defense?

Who cares about defense at G position? You’d prefer Pat Beverly over Lillard?

The G is just going to be wiped by a screen everytime he’s on the floor. A lot of the top guards in the league a poor defenders. Harden, Lillard, Kyrie and etc.

What’s important is how good you are on offense as a guard.

And again, Milton isnt a bad defender. I’d even say that he’s a good defender. He’s even been playing a lot of 3 for the last two games

Dejounte’s scoring is unacceptable to Sixers standard. Specially that .63ppp on PnR.

That’s like letting Paul Reed run pick and roll.

Lmao how is that even a good comparison when Murray averages more points, rebounds, assists, shoots a higher percentage, pretty much better than Milton in every aspect of basketball.

You stating Milton is a good defender shows me your lack of basketball knowledge and signals the end of this conversation.

[ProcessDoctor]

Seems like the Dame noise is turning back up again...Simmons/Green/Maxey/2023 & 2027 FRPs for Dame/Covington.


Lillard(32)/Milton(16)
Thybulle(24)/Curry(24)
Covington(28)/Korkmaz(20)
Harris(32)/NIang(16)
Embiid(30)/Drummond(18)


Lillard/Milton/Springer
Thybulle/Curry/Joe
Covington/Korkmaz/whoever
Harris/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey