Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[youngcrev]

Maxey-LaVine-DeRozan might take scoring pressure off Embiid, but it sure would put a lot of pressure on him defensively.

[Stanford]

Lillard is a precious little guy. What a cute little flower. But he turns into a pouty boy when he doesn't get his way. Adorable!

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Boy, Lillard went from loyal and solid AF to pouty little diva over the course of two weeks. Deron Williams all over again.

[FireMorey]

Maxey-LaVine-DeRozan might take scoring pressure off Embiid, but it sure would put a lot of pressure on him defensively.

If something like that were to happen, I can't imagine Maxey would start. Probably would get starter's minutes, but come off the bench.

[Black Mage]

Anyone "calling BS" on what I wrote doesn't understand the following fundamental concepts at play:

1) Simple Math
2) Budgets
3) Opportunity Cost
4) NBA Salary Cap & Luxury Tax

All I just read was you dodging the question of what ELITE player is coming to town for our "cap space." Let's play your game, I magically wiped off Harden's $35 mil; tell me who you sign THIS summer that makes us title contenders.

So what you're saying is that it's sign an "elite" player or bust? There's no other way to use cap space? Or are you from the "gotta win in 1-2 years before the earth caves in!" school of thought?

No. I am saying if you can move either Harden or Tobias expiring for someone in that expiring group then you do it and you don't freak out that it eats up cap space. The only reason we should be saying no to higher caliber players that were being discussed is if they don't fit with Joel, like how Tobias doesn't fit.

I am of the opinion that it won't matter how much cap space you have, Philly isn't going to attract an ELITE player that this group of fans on these boards want.

You still haven't told me how you'd use 35 mil in cap space to field a team that has a better chance to win it all; than if you used that expiring deal to bring in a player like Lavine; Dame; PG13, etc.

[Black Mage]

I get not wanting to trade Maxey for Dame.

What makes zero sense is not wanting to trade Harden for Lavine + or Siakam (for example). That is ridiculous considering Harden being a flat out loser despite being on numerous teams talented enough to win it all throughout his career.

And THAT is the point I've been trying to make to Vol.

[JudahMax]

Maxey-LaVine-DeRozan might take scoring pressure off Embiid, but it sure would put a lot of pressure on him defensively.

The pressure won’t be tough on embid because he’s have help in another 7ft bamba back there with him.

[JudahMax]

Maxey-LaVine-DeRozan might take scoring pressure off Embiid, but it sure would put a lot of pressure on him defensively.

If something like that were to happen, I can't imagine Maxey would start. Probably would get starter's minutes, but come off the bench.

Ummm if anybody needs to come off the bench it’s Tobias! I can’t believe this hasn’t been done yet in Philly! Tobias would definitely score 25 a game if he was the number one option with the 2nd unit!!!! It’s the easiest fix on our team if he’s not traded! But it’s the only way to salvage him him philly! When dudes the number one option like in LA he was a complete different player. But he was the main option fa sure and that’s how he excels! Let tobi play with the second unit! As the number one option

[ProcessDoctor]

Boy, Lillard went from loyal and solid AF to pouty little diva over the course of two weeks. Deron Williams all over again.

Acting like all these other stars were jacked for teaming up when in reality he's seemingly the most toxic of them all.

[youngcrev]

Maxey-LaVine-DeRozan might take scoring pressure off Embiid, but it sure would put a lot of pressure on him defensively.

If something like that were to happen, I can't imagine Maxey would start. Probably would get starter's minutes, but come off the bench.

Even more of a reason not to do it.

[Slacktard]

Boy, Lillard went from loyal and solid AF to pouty little diva over the course of two weeks. Deron Williams all over again.

Acting like all these other stars were jacked for teaming up when in reality he's seemingly the most toxic of them all.

Dude wasn't exactly taking pay-cuts in Portland.
Signed 4 year rookie deal. Signed 5 yr max rookie extension before final year of rookie deal. Signed 4 year supermax designated veteran exception contract with 2 years left on the 5 year rookie deal. Signed 2 years at $58m/$63m to extend his current contract with another 3 years to go on it.

All this talk about 'loyalty', but dude was getting the bag and guaranteed max money the entire time.

[KramerDSP]

Maxey-LaVine-DeRozan might take scoring pressure off Embiid, but it sure would put a lot of pressure on him defensively.

If something like that were to happen, I can't imagine Maxey would start. Probably would get starter's minutes, but come off the bench.

I started playing around with FanSpo based on this discussion and was surprised at how seamless a three way trade works money wise. The tricky part is appeasing Chicago beyond the core of the trade.

Chicago gives up Lavine (40), DeRozan (28)
Chicago gets Harris (39), Powell (18), Mann (10.5), Moon (1.8)

Clippers give up Powell, Morris Sr. (17), Mann, Moon
Clippers get Harden (35), Tucker (11)

Philly gives up Harris, Harden, Tucker
Philly gets Lavine, DeRozan, Morris

Philly gets Lowry after Lilliard goes to Miami.

Maxey/Lowry
Lavine/Melton
DeRozan/House Jr.
Reed/Morris Sr.
Embiid/Bamba

I mean, it seems like a puncher’s chance?

[eyeatoma]

Maxey-LaVine-DeRozan might take scoring pressure off Embiid, but it sure would put a lot of pressure on him defensively.

If something like that were to happen, I can't imagine Maxey would start. Probably would get starter's minutes, but come off the bench.

I started playing around with FanSpo based on this discussion and was surprised at how seamless a three way trade works money wise. The tricky part is appeasing Chicago beyond the core of the trade.

Chicago gives up Lavine (40), DeRozan (28)
Chicago gets Harris (39), Powell (18), Mann (10.5), Moon (1.8)

Clippers give up Powell, Morris Sr. (17), Mann, Moon
Clippers get Harden (35), Tucker (11)

Philly gives up Harris, Harden, Tucker
Philly gets Lavine, DeRozan, Morris

Philly gets Lowry after Lilliard goes to Miami.

Maxey/Lowry
Lavine/Melton
DeRozan/House Jr.
Reed/Morris Sr.
Embiid/Bamba

I mean, it seems like a puncher’s chance?

With Lavine, Maxey and Embiid there is enough shooting in the starting lineup. Problem is, why does Chicago do the deal? Are they going to rebuild? In that case why did they resign Vuc?

[ProcessDoctor]

I wonder how available Trae Young is.

[Skates]

I wonder how available Trae Young is.

Trae is fun to watch from a distance, don’t think I would love him on my own team if we are trying to contend.

[mjkvol]

All I just read was you dodging the question of what ELITE player is coming to town for our "cap space." Let's play your game, I magically wiped off Harden's $35 mil; tell me who you sign THIS summer that makes us title contenders.

So what you're saying is that it's sign an "elite" player or bust? There's no other way to use cap space? Or are you from the "gotta win in 1-2 years before the earth caves in!" school of thought?

No. I am saying if you can move either Harden or Tobias expiring for someone in that expiring group then you do it and you don't freak out that it eats up cap space. The only reason we should be saying no to higher caliber players that were being discussed is if they don't fit with Joel, like how Tobias doesn't fit.

I am of the opinion that it won't matter how much cap space you have, Philly isn't going to attract an ELITE player that this group of fans on these boards want.

You still haven't told me how you'd use 35 mil in cap space to field a team that has a better chance to win it all; than if you used that expiring deal to bring in a player like Lavine; Dame; PG13, etc.

I don't think we're winning a championship with any of those "elite" players. I'm saying to stop star hunting, get back in the draft and build a team properly, using cap space to make smart, if not earth shaking signings. You have Embiid and Maxey - there's your start, build around them.

I know I'm alone in this thinking, but I'd rather see a team built the right way, even if the so called 'window' of Embiid is broken. We've won nothing with this 'win now' philosophy, and we finally have a chance to clean the slate and start over. There's not one player on this list of 'elite' players who makes us a championship team.

Look at DEN, MEM, CLE, and SAC - non destinations who are building through the draft, role player signings, and smart trades. No 'elite' player in his prime is signing here, so stop chasing them! But to bring in toxic contracts other teams are trying to dump is the road to nowhere.

[76thBearCub]

I wonder how available Trae Young is.

Trae is fun to watch from a distance, don’t think I would love him on my own team if we are trying to contend.

He's also generally been the main focus of the defense. He could take a leap as a number 2. Not that we have a path to bring him in anyway.

[Black Mage]

So what you're saying is that it's sign an "elite" player or bust? There's no other way to use cap space? Or are you from the "gotta win in 1-2 years before the earth caves in!" school of thought?

No. I am saying if you can move either Harden or Tobias expiring for someone in that expiring group then you do it and you don't freak out that it eats up cap space. The only reason we should be saying no to higher caliber players that were being discussed is if they don't fit with Joel, like how Tobias doesn't fit.

I am of the opinion that it won't matter how much cap space you have, Philly isn't going to attract an ELITE player that this group of fans on these boards want.

You still haven't told me how you'd use 35 mil in cap space to field a team that has a better chance to win it all; than if you used that expiring deal to bring in a player like Lavine; Dame; PG13, etc.

I don't think we're winning a championship with any of those "elite" players. I'm saying to stop star hunting, get back in the draft and build a team properly, using cap space to make smart, if not earth shaking signings. You have Embiid and Maxey - there's your start, build around them.

I know I'm alone in this thinking, but I'd rather see a team built the right way, even if the so called 'window' of Embiid is broken. We've won nothing with this 'win now' philosophy, and we finally have a chance to clean the slate and start over. There's not one player on this list of 'elite' players who makes us a championship team.

Look at DEN, MEM, CLE, and SAC - non destinations who are building through the draft, role player signings, and smart trades. No 'elite' player in his prime is signing here, so stop chasing them! But to bring in toxic contracts other teams are trying to dump is the road to nowhere.

CLE - traded cheap contracts for Donovan Mitchell and his toxic new deal;
SAC - traded Haliburton for Sabonis and his contract;
MEM - actually drafted well
DEN - is an anomaly when it was able to land a legend in the 2nd rnd.

Of those 4 - SAC's move made the most sense as it balanced its roster with talented players and everything clicked. Fox and Haliburton were redundant - Sabonis gave the lineup balance.

If we can move Harris for Lavine and balance our roster out that is a move you make regardless of the "contract." What this team needs more than anything is a SG/SF that can catch n shoot, is athletic and can get their own when needed.

[Slacktard]

So what you're saying is that it's sign an "elite" player or bust? There's no other way to use cap space? Or are you from the "gotta win in 1-2 years before the earth caves in!" school of thought?

No. I am saying if you can move either Harden or Tobias expiring for someone in that expiring group then you do it and you don't freak out that it eats up cap space. The only reason we should be saying no to higher caliber players that were being discussed is if they don't fit with Joel, like how Tobias doesn't fit.

I am of the opinion that it won't matter how much cap space you have, Philly isn't going to attract an ELITE player that this group of fans on these boards want.

You still haven't told me how you'd use 35 mil in cap space to field a team that has a better chance to win it all; than if you used that expiring deal to bring in a player like Lavine; Dame; PG13, etc.

I don't think we're winning a championship with any of those "elite" players. I'm saying to stop star hunting, get back in the draft and build a team properly, using cap space to make smart, if not earth shaking signings. You have Embiid and Maxey - there's your start, build around them.

I know I'm alone in this thinking, but I'd rather see a team built the right way, even if the so called 'window' of Embiid is broken. We've won nothing with this 'win now' philosophy, and we finally have a chance to clean the slate and start over. There's not one player on this list of 'elite' players who makes us a championship team.

Look at DEN, MEM, CLE, and SAC - non destinations who are building through the draft, role player signings, and smart trades. No 'elite' player in his prime is signing here, so stop chasing them! But to bring in toxic contracts other teams are trying to dump is the road to nowhere.

In what world do you think one player taken in the late teens or twenties next season... Then no first round pick in 2025(goes to OKC), then another player taken in the late teens or twenties in 2026 somehow builds a championship team 'the right way'?

Denver, Memphis, Cleveland, Sacramento did not add starters from the draft after finishing in the top-4 in their conference and having and already established top-5 player on their roster. The scenario you are talking about is not realistic for how the NBA works at all.

[Ben]

If something like that were to happen, I can't imagine Maxey would start. Probably would get starter's minutes, but come off the bench.

I started playing around with FanSpo based on this discussion and was surprised at how seamless a three way trade works money wise. The tricky part is appeasing Chicago beyond the core of the trade.

Chicago gives up Lavine (40), DeRozan (28)
Chicago gets Harris (39), Powell (18), Mann (10.5), Moon (1.8)

Clippers give up Powell, Morris Sr. (17), Mann, Moon
Clippers get Harden (35), Tucker (11)

Philly gives up Harris, Harden, Tucker
Philly gets Lavine, DeRozan, Morris

Philly gets Lowry after Lilliard goes to Miami.

Maxey/Lowry
Lavine/Melton
DeRozan/House Jr.
Reed/Morris Sr.
Embiid/Bamba

I mean, it seems like a puncher’s chance?

With Lavine, Maxey and Embiid there is enough shooting in the starting lineup. Problem is, why does Chicago do the deal? Are they going to rebuild? In that case why did they resign Vuc?

Same exact questions I was asking while reading the trade proposal.

Chicago would be downgrading their scoring tremendously to rebuild around... which players? Caruso's a good guy to have when there are stars around him... Vuc is not that impactful anymore... Patrick Williams and Coby White aren't that good... who knows whether Lonzo Ball will ever play at a decent level again.

I would think that if the Bulls were gutting their talent they would want draft picks in return to start a full-on rebuild. That's IF.