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76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2

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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1061 » by FireMorey » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:11 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
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Could have used the capspace on Murray, Grant, Brogdon, Drummond, Caruso, Miles Bridges, Lauri.

Tons of players who could have been had, but we have this stupid pipe dream of an offseason, where you have a less likely chance of being able to retool.

Paul George might have a year or 2 left in his window. Giving him a 5 year max is assinine. Just as assinine as Harden. His defensive potential will be gone by them. Tatum will run circles around him.


You're not winning anything with those players and you MAYBE could've got just one of those players and since none of those guys were traded it's apparent teams were driving a hard bargain so you would've likely had to surrender every last trade asset you had to get a guy like Murray or Lauri. Not guys who will put you over the top, and if some star down the road becomes available you have nothing to trade. Would have been a total waste.



And if they don't become available, then what? That is most likely btw. Then we are adding substandard players to the team.


It's always good to have options. If you trade for a guy like Murray, that's it. You cut into your cap room and get rid of all your picks. So that would essentially be it. You'd be closing the book. That's your core. And it's not good enough to win a title with, so you're essentially locking yourself into never winning a title.

The likelihood a star becomes available and they can trade for them isn't great, but at least there's somewhat of a chance. If you empty your war chest on any of the guys you listed they have absolutely no chance. Window slammed shut.

I think what this really comes down to is fans want something to get excited about and don't like the idea of giving up on this season, but of all the not great options available, I believe they chose the best one.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1062 » by seventy6ers » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:12 pm

I appreciate the Hield move, but would have preferred Bogdanovic. Regardless, go search 2024 NBA free agent list. It is not a great list and most of the good players will be resigned. Other than resigning Maxey, Morey will probably resign Harris. The Sixers will have cap space but will be stuck !!!
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1063 » by Mik317 » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:16 pm

my issue is that the "plan" is always well wait until ____...then _____ gets here and the plan is well it sets us up for later tho and then we will totes do a thing

just feels like we are rearranging deck chairs...and hopefully we aren't the titanic lol
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1064 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:18 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:To be fair, I don’t think there was a clear move to make at the deadline. Hield will be a nice fit but he’s not a needle mover. Ultimately, I’m ok with keeping our powder dry & our assets in tact. The Springer move was a stupid one and another example of Morey making pretty illogical moves at the margin because of coach preferences or cap concerns.

We aren’t getting a 3rd star in FA tho, that’s delusion. Far more likely that we use it to sign a variety of mid/high tier role players to $8M-$15M deals.


I agree, but there are some nice players that we can build with. Jalen Smith has a player option and should probably go ahead and bet on himself making more money. He should be a top priority add for us.

The UFA list doesn't look all that amazing, but I like the following names,

Malik Monk
Miles Bridges
Derrick Jones Jr
Lonnie Walker
Bol Bol

I think we should spend what we can this summer and if possible, save an open max slot and wait until 2025 when we can go after Brandon Ingram. That's about as good as it can get before we talk about a rebuild.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1065 » by Skates » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:18 pm

We have nobody who can guard anybody, except the guys who are always hurt.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1066 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:19 pm

Can anyone answer this question for me...Do we still have the ammo to make a big trade in the offseason? If so, I think Brandon Ingram becomes a viable option. He's going to be UFA in 2025 and I highly doubt he re-ups with New Orleans. They may want to recoup what they can for him before he just walks.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1067 » by NYSixersFan » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:20 pm

I don't think Paul George is going anywhere, but are we supposed to get excited about giving a 34 year old a max contract?
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1068 » by FireMorey » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:23 pm

Mik317 wrote:my issue is that the "plan" is always well wait until ____...then _____ gets here and the plan is well it sets us up for later tho and then we will totes do a thing

just feels like we are rearranging deck chairs...and hopefully we aren't the titanic lol


This is what happens when you squander all the opportunities they had.

Could've traded Ben Simmons for guys like Booker way back when. Didn't do it.

Could've possibly acquired Haliburton instead of Harden. Didn't do it.

Let Butler go.

Traded away Bridges for Zhaire Smith.

They're now in position where they need one more star to win a championship and with their remaining limited assets they only have one shot at trading for one. So it's basically a waiting game to see if one becomes available. And if not, well, they were never winning anything anyway. They've put themselves in the position where they're totally at the whim of other teams trading guys or players asking out.

This becomes much easier to swallow when you accept the fact that Embiid's career likely ends with never winning a title, which I did the day Jimmy Butler got traded away, and have long been resigned to this fact. Once you do that, you're able to view the situation much clearer and patiently.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1069 » by eyeatoma » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:23 pm

2024 NBA Free Agent class

PG
Klay
Maxey
Harden
LeBron
Tobias (Lol) We're definitely signing him, book it.
DeMar
Claxton
Russell
Monk
KCP
Bridges
Hield
Bruce Brown
Valanciunas
Dinwiddie
Oubre
Melton
Tyus Jones
Conley
Westbrook
Isaiah Joe (double lol)
Gary Trent Jr.
Lonnie Walker
Royce O'Neale
Grayson Allen
Hartenstein
Olynyk
Bitadze
Patrick Williams
Derrick Jones Jr.
Talen Horton Tucker
Alec Burks
Cam Reddish
Jalen Smith
Sam Hauser
Markell Fultz (hahaha)

Bunch of slop above and I'm not putting the rest.

I suppose you can field a decent team without any stars. But you still aren't beating Boston without a legit 3rd star.

No we're not getting LeBron and he's old as dirt, and I dont' want that drama around here.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1070 » by Negrodamus » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:31 pm

Wow, what a precipitous drop in talent after Valanciunas on that list.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1071 » by brannigan73 » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:32 pm

I see the excuse making and rationalizations have already begun. Daryl Morey is honestly one of the most over-rated GMs in NBA history. There are surely moves the Sixers could make just because we cant list them doesnt mean there arent. I guess Morey believes if he is going to nail the offseason and is punting this year If this is all we are going to do then we shouldnt bring Embiid back this year because we are out on the first round. Buddy Hield honestly is an average NBA player. I can't quantify how much he improves the Sixers but whatever it is very little. Morey better have an amazing off-season if this is it. Im reading dumb articles about the Sixers being interested in Paul George who 100% is going to resign with the Cippers lol. I have to give the Knicks GM a lot of credit. They'll smoke us if we play in the playoffs. They are so deep with scorers and shot creators they could name there point totals against us. How long are some of you going to keep buying the sizzle without the steak? Happy days are always just around the corner? I'll continue to be a skeptic that needs to see to believe.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1072 » by eyeatoma » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:35 pm

Teams I'll be rooting for when we inevitably don't make the playoffs or lost in the 1st round.

Knicks
Heat
OKC
Clippers (anyone but Nuggets)
Wolves but they won't do anything. Towns will probably punch a fire extinguisher.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1073 » by Murray_17 » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:40 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Can anyone answer this question for me...Do we still have the ammo to make a big trade in the offseason? If so, I think Brandon Ingram becomes a viable option. He's going to be UFA in 2025 and I highly doubt he re-ups with New Orleans. They may want to recoup what they can for him before he just walks.



No, we don't have contracts to move, so we can't match salaries. We only are gonna be able to improve via FA
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1074 » by the_process » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:45 pm

Murray_17 wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Can anyone answer this question for me...Do we still have the ammo to make a big trade in the offseason? If so, I think Brandon Ingram becomes a viable option. He's going to be UFA in 2025 and I highly doubt he re-ups with New Orleans. They may want to recoup what they can for him before he just walks.



No, we don't have contracts to move, so we can't match salaries. We only are gonna be able to improve via FA


They can renounce FA's and absorb salary into cap space.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1075 » by Arsenal » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:49 pm

Can any other team promise Dinwiddie a starting PG job? I don't think so. Hopefully, that entices him to come here as we desperately need him.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1076 » by sixers hoops » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:50 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
Jailblazers7 wrote:To be fair, I don’t think there was a clear move to make at the deadline. Hield will be a nice fit but he’s not a needle mover. Ultimately, I’m ok with keeping our powder dry & our assets in tact. The Springer move was a stupid one and another example of Morey making pretty illogical moves at the margin because of coach preferences or cap concerns.

We aren’t getting a 3rd star in FA tho, that’s delusion. Far more likely that we use it to sign a variety of mid/high tier role players to $8M-$15M deals.


I agree, but there are some nice players that we can build with. Jalen Smith has a player option and should probably go ahead and bet on himself making more money. He should be a top priority add for us.

The UFA list doesn't look all that amazing, but I like the following names,

Malik Monk
Miles Bridges
Derrick Jones Jr
Lonnie Walker
Bol Bol

I think we should spend what we can this summer and if possible, save an open max slot and wait until 2025 when we can go after Brandon Ingram. That's about as good as it can get before we talk about a rebuild.


Barring protections, on draft night, I believe they can trade:
-2024 Phil 1st rd pick
-2026 worst of LAC, Hou, OKC 1st rd pick
-2028 Phil 1st rd pick
-2028 LAC 1st rd pick
-2029 Phil 1st rd pick
-2029 LAC 1st rd pick swap
-2031 Phil 1st rd pick
-and I believe 4 second rounders remaining by 2030
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1077 » by NYSixersFan » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:58 pm

what Centers are getting bought out? Besides Robin Lopez. This team will struggle to win 10 more games
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1078 » by eyeatoma » Thu Feb 8, 2024 10:00 pm

Read on Twitter


Meanwhile...

Once again I won't blame Jo for asking out at some point. This organisation has failed him on so many levels.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1079 » by Negrodamus » Thu Feb 8, 2024 10:06 pm

Dinwiddie has been extreme ass recently.

Lowry too. Should be solid additions.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1080 » by the_process » Thu Feb 8, 2024 10:08 pm

Morey is acting like he has PG or LeBron (or someone on that level) in his back pocket. Dude is a straight up nut job. You have to kind of admire the chutzpah, though.

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