Sixers 2024-25 Season Thread Part 1

[Arsenal]

The more I think about it, if we’re lucky enough to get Flagg, I think you trade away both Embiid and PG. That would be the perfect time for a culture change and reset. Maxey and McCain bring a lot of joy and energy to the court. Seems like Flagg is of that same mold. Don’t want Joel and PG’s loser energy anywhere near that.

Neither of them are getting traded until they rehab their value. Embiid is flat out untradeable and we'd definitely get stuck with bad contracts coming back for PG.

However yes, once they (hopefully) rehab their value, trading them away could be the move.

[mjkvol]

The more I think about it, if we’re lucky enough to get Flagg, I think you trade away both Embiid and PG. That would be the perfect time for a culture change and reset. Maxey and McCain bring a lot of joy and energy to the court. Seems like Flagg is of that same mold. Don’t want Joel and PG’s loser energy anywhere near that.

Flagg or no Flagg, the plan should be for a total reset. And that means Embiid and George being moved ASAP.

[the_process]

The more I think about it, if we’re lucky enough to get Flagg, I think you trade away both Embiid and PG. That would be the perfect time for a culture change and reset. Maxey and McCain bring a lot of joy and energy to the court. Seems like Flagg is of that same mold. Don’t want Joel and PG’s loser energy anywhere near that.

Neither of them are getting traded until they rehab their value. Embiid is flat out untradeable and we'd definitely get stuck with bad contracts coming back for PG.

However yes, once they (hopefully) rehab their value, trading them away could be the move.

Agreed that Embiid and George do not need to be around the young guys.

And I don't how much rehabbing value (if any) is possible with those two.

The team should definitely be interested in pawning off PG on PHX as part of their upcoming Durant trade. Taking back some short term riff raff is fine. Embiid is probably going to miss all next year. My understanding is that all of his remaining treatment options involve long term rehab since simply resting it didn't work.

[Negrodamus]

Xfinity Live shut down for the second time this year for health violations. What a relief they didn’t move the arena to center city where there would be 1000 other options.

[the_process]

Xfinity Live shut down for the second time this year for health violations. What a relief they didn’t move the arena to center city where there would be 1000 other options.

"The stadium complex is so unique, we need to keep it together"

[XtremeDunkz]

I haven't been here in a long time because this season has been a nightmare. But I just came to say that refusing to pay Harden due to age and then maxing George a year later should be a fireable offense

[eyeatoma]

I haven't been here in a long time because this season has been a nightmare. But I just came to say that refusing to pay Harden due to age and then maxing George a year later should be a fireable offense

Harden took it as a slight and got into even better shape. I'm not sure if he would have done that if we hadn't lowballed him. Morey loves Harden, so we obviously know it was the most difficult decision of his career. Can't have 2 post season failures, and have the epic no-show in Game 7, and be like okay he'res a supermax. That being said I was never a fan of PG, and was very upset they signed up. The pivot is waht I didn't like as opposed to not signing Harden which I preferred.

[mjkvol]

I haven't been here in a long time because this season has been a nightmare. But I just came to say that refusing to pay Harden due to age and then maxing George a year later should be a fireable offense

Harden took it as a slight and got into even better shape. I'm not sure if he would have done that if we hadn't lowballed him. Morey loves Harden, so we obviously know it was the most difficult decision of his career. Can't have 2 post season failures, and have the epic no-show in Game 7, and be like okay he'res a supermax. That being said I was never a fan of PG, and was very upset they signed up. The pivot is waht I didn't like as opposed to not signing Harden which I preferred.

I'm never a fan of short term band aid fixes involving huge money to aging players because it so rarely (if ever) results in anything other than possibly some moderate short term success (2nd round exit, etc.) and results in endlessly chasing your tail as we have done here before crashing out.

But Morey got it right with the Harden trade, as that full season was the only time in the Embiid era where I really felt we had a serious shot at the Finals, despite Glenn not being fired before the season. He was the perfect fit with Embiid, and his presence and mentorship did more to improve Maxey's game than anything else since he's been here.

Not resigning Harden after the playoff debacle was understandable, but wasting an entire season and clearing the deck (which I was in favor of) only to turn around and hand a max deal to an aging loser who had zero desire to be here was the most transparently bad franchise move since giving a similar deal to Tobias. Both moves were doomed to failure, and doubling down by extending a crippled Embiid before it was necessary was off the charts management incompetence. And so here we are, to no one's surprise.

[ProcessDoctor]

As crazy as it sounds, I hope we ultimately get Flagg and run it back. It's not crazy to think that this team playing healthy (i.e. George and Embiid playing 60+ games) as constructed isn't a contender. Plus, we've had so much turnover in the last few years. Let's try the continuity thing all the champions talk about.

Maxey/McCain/Butler
Grimes/Walker/Gordon
George/Oubre/Edwards
Flagg/Yabusele/Council
Embiid/Bona/Drummond

(I only included Gordon, Oubre, and Drummond because I believe they will all opt-in)

[Iverson Armband]

As crazy as it sounds, I hope we ultimately get Flagg and run it back. It's not crazy to think that this team playing healthy (i.e. George and Embiid playing 60+ games) as constructed isn't a contender. Plus, we've had so much turnover in the last few years. Let's try the continuity thing all the champions talk about.

Maxey/McCain/Butler
Grimes/Walker/Gordon
George/Oubre/Edwards
Flagg/Yabusele/Council
Embiid/Bona/Drummond

(I only included Gordon, Oubre, and Drummond because I believe they will all opt-in)

I would still try to trade both Embiid and George if they could get some value in return. If not, running it back with those two hoping for the best wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. I think at this point though, it’s pretty clear you are not winning anything with Embiid or PG as your best players. Theres just too much history of them both being unreliable in more ways than one to realistically expect anything to be different.

For that team to go far, I’d predict MCain and Grimes taking another step and probably Flagg having a sensational rookie year. Maxey will be Maxey.

[ProcessDoctor]

As crazy as it sounds, I hope we ultimately get Flagg and run it back. It's not crazy to think that this team playing healthy (i.e. George and Embiid playing 60+ games) as constructed isn't a contender. Plus, we've had so much turnover in the last few years. Let's try the continuity thing all the champions talk about.

Maxey/McCain/Butler
Grimes/Walker/Gordon
George/Oubre/Edwards
Flagg/Yabusele/Council
Embiid/Bona/Drummond

(I only included Gordon, Oubre, and Drummond because I believe they will all opt-in)

I would still try to trade both Embiid and George if they could get some value in return. If not, running it back with those two hoping for the best wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. I think at this point though, it’s pretty clear you are not winning anything with Embiid or PG as your best players. Theres just too much history of them both being unreliable in more ways than one to realistically expect anything to be different.

For that team to go far, I’d predict MCain and Grimes taking another step and probably Flagg having a sensational rookie year. Maxey will be Maxey.

Partially agree with you on George, but Embiid has been very impactful in the playoffs. I still think he can be one of your 2 best players on a championship team. If this is a Yao Ming situation, then obviously not. If he can return to 70-80% of his old self, then he's still a valuable asset. I also don't know that we'll get good value for him right now.

My stance on George before signing him was that it'd be better to sign/trade for two high-end role players instead of just him. If we can find that type of deal, then I'm open to it, but his value has also tanked. Not many options, sans maybe KCP + Isaac or Lonzo + P. Williams. Neither of those feel great though, especially the latter, and maybe holding out for a resurgence has more upside.

[Iverson Armband]

As crazy as it sounds, I hope we ultimately get Flagg and run it back. It's not crazy to think that this team playing healthy (i.e. George and Embiid playing 60+ games) as constructed isn't a contender. Plus, we've had so much turnover in the last few years. Let's try the continuity thing all the champions talk about.

Maxey/McCain/Butler
Grimes/Walker/Gordon
George/Oubre/Edwards
Flagg/Yabusele/Council
Embiid/Bona/Drummond

(I only included Gordon, Oubre, and Drummond because I believe they will all opt-in)

I would still try to trade both Embiid and George if they could get some value in return. If not, running it back with those two hoping for the best wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. I think at this point though, it’s pretty clear you are not winning anything with Embiid or PG as your best players. Theres just too much history of them both being unreliable in more ways than one to realistically expect anything to be different.

For that team to go far, I’d predict MCain and Grimes taking another step and probably Flagg having a sensational rookie year. Maxey will be Maxey.

Partially agree with you on George, but Embiid has been very impactful in the playoffs. I still think he can be one of your 2 best players on a championship team. If this is a Yao Ming situation, then obviously not. If he can return to 70-80% of his old self, then he's still a valuable asset. I also don't know that we'll get good value for him right now.

My stance on George before signing him was that it'd be better to sign/trade for two high-end role players instead of just him. If we can find that type of deal, then I'm open to it, but his value has also tanked. Not many options, sans maybe KCP + Isaac or Lonzo + P. Williams. Neither of those feel great though, especially the latter, and maybe holding out for a resurgence has more upside.

Sure Embiid has had impactful games, but he has yet to prove he can carry a team through a meaningful playoffs series whether due to injury or otherwise.

[MVP1992]

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[76ciology]

What are the chances Embiid plays more than 45 regular season games and is healthy for a meaningful playoff run?

What are the chances PG plays 65 regular season games and is healthy for a meaningful playoff run?

McCain's knee recovery and avoiding further injury is not a given.

Maxey is starting to rack up niggling injuries (hamstring, hip, thumb, pinky finger, back).

That's just our core 4.

I have less confidence than some for next season.

Makes me wonder if it’s better to be a less talented team that’s not constantly at the mercy of injuries, like the Pistons, than to be in our situation.

[MVP1992]

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[ExplosionsInDaSky]

The Maxey injuries are exaggerated. In regards to the Harden issue. It really was a tough decision to make. On one end, he won us two playoff games in that series against Boston. On the other, he lost us two playoff games in that series while also outright quitting in game 6 that we had locked up until Tatum hit back to back threes in Embiids face. It was a tough situation with Harden. In hindsight if you would have told me that ultimately it would come down to picking either Harden or George, I would have just kept Harden. The Paul George signing is the worst free agent signing this team has ever made and that includes the Elton Brand addition years ago.

[Mik317]

i think yall forgot how bland the Iggy era was. Team was healthy as ****. Played hard and was in every game but come playoff time, we'd just be hoping to not get swept. Yeah there has been some awful playoff pain during this era but at least we were allowed to feel like **** lol.

This era is over but yeah I don't wish for the mediocrity era again. I'll take more insane pain instead of that any day...now ideally we won't make as many misteps and get a bit further but yeah having a real shot even if small is better than hoping to be the '03 pistons and use the power of friendship to save the day

[Iverson Armband]

Who here is hoping for mediocrity?

[the_process]

What are the chances Embiid plays more than 45 regular season games and is healthy for a meaningful playoff run?

What are the chances PG plays 65 regular season games and is healthy for a meaningful playoff run?

McCain's knee recovery and avoiding further injury is not a given.

Maxey is starting to rack up niggling injuries (hamstring, hip, thumb, pinky finger, back).

That's just our core 4.

I have less confidence than some for next season.

Makes me wonder if it’s better to be a less talented team that’s not constantly at the mercy of injuries, like the Pistons, than to be in our situation.

Both scenarios are possibly equally frustrating.

Would you trade the current Sixers for the Rockets?

You mean flip whole rosters? Yes, easily.

[Iverson Armband]

Looking forward to Nurse being canned by the end of next week.