Tom Moore 2.0

tmoore · Post #1061 » by **tmoore** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:17 pm

No Internet, phone or TV since 9 last night because of lightning/power surge (still no phones). Be interesting to see if the Sixers sign anybody this week or wait on guys to (they hope) lower their price.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #1062 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:30 pm

No internet phone and TV? You must have comcrap.

tmoore · Post #1063 » by **tmoore** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:32 pm

Actually, Verizon Fios. Did have power, though.

tmoore · Post #1064 » by **tmoore** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:33 pm

Was told the Sixers have interest in Murray, but wonder if his agent is trying to solicit offers to try to drive the price up for Hawks.

tmoore · Post #1065 » by **tmoore** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:34 pm

Hear Murray wants multiple years.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #1066 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:45 pm

This organization is CHEAP. Sad to say, but it's true.

We're 10 Mill over the Tax, we have 20 Mil in expirings in 2011. There is NO reason not to make a move.
Unless your a chicken.

Ed's a cheap chicken.

Padawan · Post #1067 » by **Padawan** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:13 am

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:This organization is CHEAP. Sad to say, but it's true.

We're 10 Mill over the Tax, we have 20 Mil in expirings in 2011. There is NO reason not to make a move.
Unless your a chicken.

Ed's a cheap chicken.

I agree. I think the Sixers can actually afford to overpay a good player or two in order to improve the team.

tmoore · Post #1068 » by **tmoore** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:34 am

With the cap and tax again going down in 2010 -- and player salaries (Brand, Iguodala et al) going up -- Sixers are trying to avoid two-year deals. They already have $58.2 million committed to 10 players in '10.

As for '11, Thaddeus Young is due a big bump in pay that year (following his fourth season) or else he can become a free agent in '12.

All that being said, I hear you -- and you're not the only one with that mindset.

radrmd216 · Post #1069 » by **radrmd216** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:01 am

The Sixers are a business and I don't see a lot of business spending extra money right now. If Comcast had Tim Duncan the past decade they would be over the tax every year, simply for the fact that winning makes the investment worth while. Comast went over the tax when iverson was here becuase Iverason sold tckets and winning makes paying the tax worth the investment.

Fans need to look at the Sixers current roster realistically. They definitely aren't beatng the Cavs, Magic, or Celtics and no free agent signing or realistic trade would make them. Even if Miller was re-signed a trip o the 2nd round wasn't guarenteed. Right niow fans should jut watch the young players develop and maybe they can win in a few years. Winning a championshp with homegrown players is much better and the tumultuous journey up to a championship just makes the championship that much better.

It's also not realistic to compare the Sixers to the Eagles or Phillies. There are much different dynamics in those two sports both financially and on the field of play.

BobbyJones · Post #1070 » by **BobbyJones** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:45 am

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:This organization is CHEAP. Sad to say, but it's true.

We're 10 Mill over the Tax, we have 20 Mil in expirings in 2011. There is NO reason not to make a move.
Unless your a chicken.

Ed's a cheap chicken.

First rule you learn in the business world is to spend the company's money the way you would spend your own. Ed's not being cheap, he's just doing what makes sense. The Sixers probably can "afford to overpay a good player or two in order to improve the team", but there are not too many of those on the market right now, which means Ed is doing what he would do with his own money - he's keeping it until he sees something worth buying.

Dedicated, do you spend your own money the way you think the Sixers should spend theirs? I'm just curious.

Sixers_76ers · Post #1071 » by **Sixers_76ers** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:55 am

tom
i heard that ED will sign a SWING MAN at some point during this offsean,so is it any possible to get CARNEY back?

sec-106 · Post #1072 » by **sec-106** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:01 pm

tmoore wrote:With the cap and tax again going down in 2010

Any word if ticket prices will decrease along with the cap and tax?

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #1073 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:08 pm

You've gotta be kidding, they need to rack in the money. Who cares about winning or the fanbase

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Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #1074 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:12 pm

C-Samuel Dalembert
PF-Elton Brand
SF-Thaddeus Young
SG-Andre Iguodala
PG-Louis Williams

Bench:
PG Jrue Holiday
SG Willie Green
SF Jason Kapono
PF/C M-16
PF/C Jason Smith

This is a solid 10 man squad, and we really couldn't say this about the team before. I'd like for us to be 12-deep. Get an extra swing man or a combo guard. A third C like Ryan Hollins is also nice.

I'd like to see Flip Murray and Ryan Hollins here. That's productive.

corwin · Post #1075 » by **corwin** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:34 pm

radrmd216 wrote:The Sixers are a business and I don't see a lot of business spending extra money right now. If Comcast had Tim Duncan the past decade they would be over the tax every year, simply for the fact that winning makes the investment worth while. Comast went over the tax when iverson was here becuase Iverason sold tckets and winning makes paying the tax worth the investment.

Fans need to look at the Sixers current roster realistically. They definitely aren't beatng the Cavs, Magic, or Celtics and no free agent signing or realistic trade would make them. Even if Miller was re-signed a trip o the 2nd round wasn't guarenteed. Right niow fans should jut watch the young players develop and maybe they can win in a few years. Winning a championshp with homegrown players is much better and the tumultuous journey up to a championship just makes the championship that much better.

It's also not realistic to compare the Sixers to the Eagles or Phillies. There are much different dynamics in those two sports both financially and on the field of play.

Don't know that much about business, but it seems to me that when you have a product that is a failing product something needs to give. Of course I would defer to Stefanski, after all his degree is from the Wharton School. However, I would imagine that solid businesses might try merchandising so that consumers want to buy the product, i.e. come see Iguodala the superstar of the future or they might try to improve the product so that people will be interested i.e. add a decent free agent. Of course they could try to increase general interest, i.e field a summer league team to spur sales. I just don't see how reducing cost and interest is going to save this business unless the team produces more than most of us think it is going to.

doctor him · Post #1076 » by **doctor him** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:25 pm

corwin wrote:
radrmd216 wrote:The Sixers are a business and I don't see a lot of business spending extra money right now. If Comcast had Tim Duncan the past decade they would be over the tax every year, simply for the fact that winning makes the investment worth while. Comast went over the tax when iverson was here becuase Iverason sold tckets and winning makes paying the tax worth the investment.

Fans need to look at the Sixers current roster realistically. They definitely aren't beatng the Cavs, Magic, or Celtics and no free agent signing or realistic trade would make them. Even if Miller was re-signed a trip o the 2nd round wasn't guarenteed. Right niow fans should jut watch the young players develop and maybe they can win in a few years. Winning a championshp with homegrown players is much better and the tumultuous journey up to a championship just makes the championship that much better.

It's also not realistic to compare the Sixers to the Eagles or Phillies. There are much different dynamics in those two sports both financially and on the field of play.

Don't know that much about business, but it seems to me that when you have a product that is a failing product something needs to give. Of course I would defer to Stefanski, after all his degree is from the Wharton School. However, I would imagine that solid businesses might try merchandising so that consumers want to buy the product, i.e. come see Iguodala the superstar of the future or they might try to improve the product so that people will be interested i.e. add a decent free agent. Of course they could try to increase general interest, i.e field a summer league team to spur sales. I just don't see how reducing cost and interest is going to save this business unless the team produces more than most of us think it is going to.

IMHO, I find Wharton to be a wildly overrated school. Their MBA's to me come out like little robots instead of flexible thinkers. And yes...my opinion probably does have a lot to do with me being a Drexel MBA. Ok...back on topic.

The Sixers are in "hunker down" mode. I can understand the lack of a big or even a medium FA move. This squad isn't going to get into a top 3 seed that would give them a chance at a deep playoff run. Another $5 million spent this summer would be like flushing it down the toilet. And...let's say Brand coming back pushes this team beyond current expectations. Ed will retain the freedom to add salary during the season by not adding it now.

However (using my Stephen A. Smith voice), this team is a distant 4th in the city and is in danger of sliding into 5th. The Union is going to have at least some initial interest and the footie fans among us will want to support the new franchise. If the Sixers are floating at .500 in February the apathy towards the team will be so thick that you'll be able to spread it on toast.

And frankly...we all know this team has never drawn well outside of the AI years. This town isn't going to come out and watch this team be irrelevant. This isn't the Flyer or the Eagle fanbase. The only chance this team has to draw fans (outside of importing LeBron or Wade) is to win. The only chance this team has to win is to get better players.

The better players aren't coming from the outside, because this team is up against the tax so those better players have to come from what we already have.

Thad, Maresse, Lou and Jrue need to take 2 steps forward immediately.

Elton and Andre need to step into all star status presently.

Even Sammy (yes...we need Sammy) needs to prove something. That he's what we though he was 2 seasons ago.

And coach Jordan needs to put them all in position to do so.

Then and only then will this squad get the help from the GM to take the next step to becoming a "contender)

Post #1077 » by **Foshan** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:38 pm

good post doc

SixersTellEm · Post #1078 » by **SixersTellEm** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:37 pm

haha yea doctor him, DREXEL in the house.....

but in all honesty, this team cant compete for a ship right now, nor do they have the bargaining chips to do so. As far as brand is concerned, he may not fit the team, but hopefully either he gels or builds up his trade value. Trading him now would make the fo look very bad, and i hardly can think of any or if there are any takers. I think brand comes back healthy and does great.

ckchen · Post #1079 » by **ckchen** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:23 pm

Would it surprise anyone to know that the Sixers in all likelihood LOST somewhere in the double-digit millions worth of dollars last year? While they aren't in the dire straits of a team, like Memphis, which cannot realistically support an NBA team - they rely on the Comcast ownership to absorb the loss in income. They have several really bad media deals that is essentially just using one hand to pay the other within the Comcast organization, but doesn't really generate any real money.

I think everyone has already said it - there is no FA out there that would do anything to increase ticket or merchandise sales - so financially, they can't justify the expenditure, with the cap going down next year and tens of millions in salary allocated to the existing roster. I get it, and frankly, it makes sense to me. I agree with whoever basically said that they just need to see how Brand works his way into the team, and hope there is internal improvement - because that's all the team can really hope for. No FA is going to make a substantial difference on this team in terms of draw, or likely even wins, at this point, so I completely understand (and agree?) with Stefanski's philosophy of only adding cheap one year deals to fill out the roster.

That said, I can hope that even with those deals we can sign a Flip Murray, a Carney, or even a Jamaal Tinsley when their expectations begin to meet the economic reality of today's NBA salary landscape. I would still also think that there is a possibility of a 1 for 4 type trade for Dalembert for a bunch of smaller salaried players to fill out the roster - maybe to Dallas when they realize the center market is completely dried up with the Chandler/Okafor trade happening. This would help relieve the salary pressures a little if they can get a package of smaller, expiring deals, like Buckner, Humphries, Shawne Williams, & Jawai - while at the same time opening up PT for Speights and filling out those roster holes.

corwin · Post #1080 » by **corwin** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:29 pm

Foshan wrote:good post doc

I generally agree with doc as well that most of the improvement must come from the guys on the roster. But remember, the East is weak. Many of us thought that we'd be in the running for the top 4 last year. The other teams aren't appreciably stronger & this is basically the same team minus Miller. With decent PG play, there's no reason for the team not to compete at that level. There are still needs that can be addressed before that happens & they include a PG able to play about 20 minutes per game, another shooter & maybe a developmental center. Maybe Stefansky can fill them with one year contract players at the vet's minimum. But consider what Dallas did in signing Gooden. They gave him most of the MLE on a one year deal. That gives Dallas a useful player & makes Gooden an expiring contract at the deadline. The other thing to keep in mind is that the "hunker down" or "panic mode" is really being caused by fear of the 2010 LT which has been estimated in the low to mid 60s. The team is OK for 2009. 2010 is many months off. Green, Kapono, & Dalembert will be expiring contracts that year. I also think an amnesty or some other intervention by the league could occur. In any case, I'd hate to see the season wasted due to a refusal to spend the money that we have available under the LT.