2020-2021 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[Kobblehead]

Personally, I think prospect workouts are antiquated. The college video and metrics are sufficient from a skills scouting perspective. The only other things I'd really want to do is talk with the kid on Skype like 3-5 times for a few hour-long sessions to get a gauge for his character and professionalism. Hopefully that's what Morey has been doing in lieu of the actual workouts.

If they took workouts seruously like Danny Ainge did we would have never drafted Fultz. The guy bricked so many jumpers and free throws in that livestream the 76ers posted that Im still shocked they toom him no. 1 after that.

Bodner was trying to waive it off and imply shooting workouts are useless. Apparently not.

No, Fultz is an example of Ainge sitting down with a kid over a two-day visit and realizing he didn't have it from the neck-up. That's the stuff you can get from just talking to the kid. Which is my point.

[Kobblehead]

He’s actually one guy im looking at yesterday because his numbers looks good.

But he’s a role player through and through. His base skillset is really poor, he doesnt have anything that stands out in abilities, physical tools or athleticism.

People are impressed with his ability to cut to the basket. Im like.. “who cares..”

He’s a second round player to me.

Yeah, lol at a 6'4" 180 pounder's ability of cutting to the basket factoring into the equation lol. Zhaire Smith!

But yeah, he's a subpar scorer off the dribble (better as a sophomore, basically played PF as a junior). He doesn't really have an established jumper. He doesn't make any plays defensively. I just don't see the point. There's a ton of more worthy upperclassman to give a chance to, IMO.

[Kobblehead]

Then you have Cam Thomas. He can score and shoot on volume, but you tend to focus on other areas like his defense and his %s. But if you look at his offensive numbers, it has great substance and on eyetest and its not like he’s just padding those stats. Cam Thomas is a prospect that gives you exactly what you need for a SG in the NBA. Thats why he should be in the lottery for me.

I think there's some noise with Cam Thomas, too. 85% of his field goals are mid-range jumpers and threes. Do you really want to build an offense for a guy that doesn't get to the rim? Now he's better than the standstill scrubs in this draft that do nothing but shoot, but he's still not an ace creator that can go on the ball and dominate a playoff series by putting a ton of pressure on the defense. He's just going to be a bomber with a willing trigger. A bigger and better version of Immanuel Quickley.

[Kobblehead]

The appeal of Springer is steal rate, block rate, and free throw percentage suggesting safe bet for eventual 3&D excellence. Also, enough shotcreating base for a potential bloom in 3-4 years on the ball. Looks like a lock to be a worthy rotation player on a contender. Even a chance of stardom if everything comes together as a creator (longshot but not impossible).

[76ciology]

Then you have Cam Thomas. He can score and shoot on volume, but you tend to focus on other areas like his defense and his %s. But if you look at his offensive numbers, it has great substance and on eyetest and its not like he’s just padding those stats. Cam Thomas is a prospect that gives you exactly what you need for a SG in the NBA. Thats why he should be in the lottery for me.

I think there's some noise with Cam Thomas, too. 85% of his field goals are mid-range jumpers and threes. Do you really want to build an offense for a guy that doesn't get to the rim? Now he's better than the standstill scrubs in this draft that do nothing but shoot, but he's still not an ace creator that can go on the ball and dominate a playoff series by putting a ton of pressure on the defense. He's just going to be a bomber with a willing trigger. A bigger and better version of Immanuel Quickley.

Elite FTr though. So it means he’s not the type of scorer that shies away from contact like Jrue or Tobias

Then for mid range, i think the value of mid range is picking up with how the league is structuring games into tit and tat down the stretch where there’s a high volume of mid range shots taken.

There’s a high chance he can continue to develop his shooting then I do think given his motor and how soft the NBA is and with less zone defense, he will get to the rim more often.

[Kobblehead]

I think he's really good at baiting whistles during the act of shooting (like Quickley was). Supposedly something the NBA is doing away with. So these guys with good free throw rates but no rim aggression could be paper tigers at the next level in terms of their ability to draw fouls.

[76ciology]

I think he's really good at baiting whistles during the act of shooting (like Quickley was). Supposedly something the NBA is doing away with. So these guys with good free throw rates but no rim aggression could be paper tigers at the next level in terms of their ability to draw fouls.

Its possible

[stormi]

I just learned Keon Johnson is 25 and not a freshman? Nevermind mate, you're a roleplayer for life.

edit: D.O.B: March 10, 2002 (age 19 years), phew, back on my list

[Monix]

I just learned Keon Johnson is 25 and not a freshman? Nevermind mate, you're a roleplayer for life.

c'mon man...

[stormi]

I just learned Keon Johnson is 25 and not a freshman? Nevermind mate, you're a roleplayer for life.

c'mon man...

He catfished me dude.

[Mik317]

people are saying Springer....might be springier than he showed during the season due to an ankle issue.

[76ciology]

I just learned Keon Johnson is 25 and not a freshman? Nevermind mate, you're a roleplayer for life.

c'mon man...

He catfished me dude.

I exactly had the same experience on Derrick White yesterday. I even was asking why Derrick White wasnt drafted in the lottery in 2017 when he was having really good numbers. Then after I saw the reason I deleted my post

[stormi]

c'mon man...

He catfished me dude.

I exactly had the same experience on Derrick White yesterday. I even was asking why Derrick White wasnt drafted in the lottery in 2017 when he was having really good numbers. Then after I saw the reason I deleted my post

Lmaooooo, yea they really should be including DII stats on sportsref.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/derrick-white-1.html

Just seeing this you'd think it was his freshman season and he was utterly dominant

[76ciology]

He catfished me dude.

I exactly had the same experience on Derrick White yesterday. I even was asking why Derrick White wasnt drafted in the lottery in 2017 when he was having really good numbers. Then after I saw the reason I deleted my post

Lmaooooo, yea they really should be including DII stats on sportsref.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/derrick-white-1.html

Just seeing this you'd think it was his freshman season and he was utterly dominant

EXACTLY

[Kobblehead]

I honestly don't see how Keon Johnson is so far ahead of Jaden Springer on big boards. Springer is superior across the board in every trait I look at.

[Kobblehead]

c'mon man...

He catfished me dude.

I exactly had the same experience on Derrick White yesterday. I even was asking why Derrick White wasnt drafted in the lottery in 2017 when he was having really good numbers. Then after I saw the reason I deleted my post

So Davion Mitchell...

Wouldn't touch him in the lotto, given the age?

[stormi]

I don't hate Springer, he projects as a decent shooter and defender at the next level. I just don't see high upside or unlockable potential in his game, which is odd given his age.

Maybe if he adds some wiggle and learns to attack the basket with more consistency he can be a taller Kyle Lowry style thick bully ball guard that defends and shoots. That's a really nice player actually. Atm though i'd prefer essentially every other guard ranked in his range over him. Mann, McBride, Hyland, Cooper, Butler.

I'd take Springer over Dosunmu though.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Keon Johnson reminds me a Latrell Sprewell. I'd be ecstatic if he somehow ended up here.

[76ciology]

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[Kobblehead]

Chris Duarte is older than DeAaron Fox (a guy drafted in 2017).