Welcome James Harden!

[eyeatoma]

^This. As much as Harden is a great passer if he can't even occasionally breakout the 35-40 point game, the trade ultimately was a failure. We need someone who can score consistently and can perform in the clutch.

As terrible as Jimmy is from 3 he brings it in the playoffs and has been great this year as well, although he's injured again today. I'd say make a move for Beal or Mitchell this summer with paying Harden a cheaper contract or dangling Maxey or Tobias. I'd rather keep Maxey, but this version of Tobias has been great. He's been our best perimeter defender in the playoffs.

[elchengue20]

As an outsider, I think I'm hearing:

-- Harden is shooting very inefficiently.
-- Harden should shoot more.

The apparent contradiction in that is obvious. So what am I overlooking, mishearing, or simply getting wrong?

Nothing, what people expect of Harden its to not be washed up. Its simple as that.

He cant get to the rim and finish with ease anymore, so hes way more easy to guard.

Only two years ago Harden would be killing teams in this situation where Embiid gets constantly double teamed. Unfortunately for us, he isnt that player anymore.

[Kobblehead]

He's shooting so poorly from three because all he does is shoot pullups. If he doesn't start shooting more catch and shoot, I'd seriously consider lowballing him with the contract offer.

[eyeatoma]

He's shooting so poorly from three because all he does is shoot pullups. If he doesn't start shooting more catch and shoot, I'd seriously consider lowballing him with the contract offer.

I think that's what needs to be done, this is ridiculous. Jo is injured and has all the attention on him, time to step the **** up.

[Jailblazers7]

Harden has all the leverage on the contract front. Either we give him what he wants or he walks and we get both in return because we’re still basically at the cap.

Morey does need to sit him down and have a hard conversation that we’re probably not winning **** if he destroys our cap long term. If he’s ok with that and just wants to get paid, then we’ll just have to accept it and hope for the best.

[mjkvol]

You guys are building something up before it even happens, just relax. Morey is not going to cut his own balls off in handing Harden a full max, and I believe that Harden at this point in his career wants to do the one thing he hasn't done - win.

This second guessing is getting ridiculous - this was never going to be the year, and anyone that believed that was a fool. This team is ill equipped to compete with the Celtics and Bucks, hell, probably even the Heat. Let Morey tighten up the bench, let Maxey have a summer where he knows what his role will be, and let Harden and Embiid have an off season of working together.

Most of all, let us have a new coach.

[76ciology]

Morey and the ownership aren’t replacing doc or morey.

When they added those two, they’re as good as Heat announcing LeBron and Bosh signing with their team but in terms of FO personnel than NBA players. I dont remember a addition in the GM and HC position that big in one offseason.

Sixers is almost surely going to run this Morey-Doc and Embiid-Harden atleast for 2 more years.

Months ago, I said that we should explore trading Maxey. I get a reply about how the team would get bad PR if they trade Maxey. What makes you say that won’t be applied to the headcoach position?

If you fire Morey and Doc. You think a top coach or top executive would want to be on our team?

And for coach and executive to be on the hotseat, that puts a lot of pressure where it frequently unhealthy or destructive to the team.

[Mik317]

when we lose a 3-0 lead...no way Doc keeps his job. And no one will be mad that he gets fired.

[76ciology]

Fire doc then what?

Top coaches aren’t going to be interested to take their chance on Harden’s decline and Embiid’s availability issue with little upside to the roster.

Top tier executives consider job security in deciding whether to take their job or not.

You can’t just keep firing/trading people, its not NBA 2K

[eyeatoma]

Morey and the ownership aren’t replacing doc or morey.

When they added those two, they’re as good as Heat announcing LeBron and Bosh signing with their team but in terms of FO personnel than NBA players. I dont remember a addition in the GM and HC position that big in one offseason.

Sixers is almost surely going to run this Morey-Doc and Embiid-Harden atleast for 2 more years.

Months ago, I said that we should explore trading Maxey. I get a reply about how the team would get bad PR if they trade Maxey. What makes you say that won’t be applied to the headcoach position?

If you fire Morey and Doc. You think a top coach or top executive would want to be on our team?

And for coach and executive to be on the hotseat, that puts a lot of pressure where it frequently unhealthy or destructive to the team.

Disagree about Doc, being the first coach of all time to lose a 3-0 lead, and already being the person with the most 3-1 lead losses, would justify firing Doc. Also, it definitely matters what Jo thinks, I don't think he'll want Doc around if we lose this series.

[76ciology]

Morey and the ownership aren’t replacing doc or morey.

When they added those two, they’re as good as Heat announcing LeBron and Bosh signing with their team but in terms of FO personnel than NBA players. I dont remember a addition in the GM and HC position that big in one offseason.

Sixers is almost surely going to run this Morey-Doc and Embiid-Harden atleast for 2 more years.

Months ago, I said that we should explore trading Maxey. I get a reply about how the team would get bad PR if they trade Maxey. What makes you say that won’t be applied to the headcoach position?

If you fire Morey and Doc. You think a top coach or top executive would want to be on our team?

And for coach and executive to be on the hotseat, that puts a lot of pressure where it frequently unhealthy or destructive to the team.

Disagree about Doc, being the first coach of all time to lose a 3-0 lead, and already being the person with the most 3-1 lead losses, would justify firing Doc. Also, it definitely matters what Jo thinks, I don't think he'll want Doc around if we lose this series.

1.) im not considering losing this series when i gave my opinion. Actually MJKov didnt mention it. My reply isn’t to respond with losing this series after a 3-0 lead.
2.) lets see. I really dont think we will replace doc. Personally, Im ok replacing Doc if we can get a good hire. But I just dont see good coaches wanting to be with us after we fire Doc.

[eyeatoma]

Morey and the ownership aren’t replacing doc or morey.

When they added those two, they’re as good as Heat announcing LeBron and Bosh signing with their team but in terms of FO personnel than NBA players. I dont remember a addition in the GM and HC position that big in one offseason.

Sixers is almost surely going to run this Morey-Doc and Embiid-Harden atleast for 2 more years.

Months ago, I said that we should explore trading Maxey. I get a reply about how the team would get bad PR if they trade Maxey. What makes you say that won’t be applied to the headcoach position?

If you fire Morey and Doc. You think a top coach or top executive would want to be on our team?

And for coach and executive to be on the hotseat, that puts a lot of pressure where it frequently unhealthy or destructive to the team.

Disagree about Doc, being the first coach of all time to lose a 3-0 lead, and already being the person with the most 3-1 lead losses, would justify firing Doc. Also, it definitely matters what Jo thinks, I don't think he'll want Doc around if we lose this series.

1.) im not considering losing this series when i gave my opinion. Actually MJKov didnt mention it. My reply isn’t to respond with losing this series after a 3-0 lead.
2.) lets see. I really dont think we will replace doc. Personally, Im ok replacing Doc if we can get a good hire. But I just dont see good coaches wanting to be with us after we fire Doc.

Yeah if we win the series he's in better shape but if we get swept next series it's on the cards. Basically the bar is the ECF imo.

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[sixers4real]

Disagree about Doc, being the first coach of all time to lose a 3-0 lead, and already being the person with the most 3-1 lead losses, would justify firing Doc. Also, it definitely matters what Jo thinks, I don't think he'll want Doc around if we lose this series.

1.) im not considering losing this series when i gave my opinion. Actually MJKov didnt mention it. My reply isn’t to respond with losing this series after a 3-0 lead.
2.) lets see. I really dont think we will replace doc. Personally, Im ok replacing Doc if we can get a good hire. But I just dont see good coaches wanting to be with us after we fire Doc.

Yeah if we win the series he's in better shape but if we get swept next series it's on the cards. Basically the bar is the ECF imo.

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If the Sixers lose series, Glenn is gone, and if any consider Mike D’Antoni a good coach, he’ll take the HC job if offered. His last chance to win a title. He knows Harden, he worked here as an assistant with Embiid. He worked with Morey.

[IRS]

Fire doc then what?

Top coaches aren’t going to be interested to take their chance on Harden’s decline and Embiid’s availability issue with little upside to the roster.

Top tier executives consider job security in deciding whether to take their job or not.

You can’t just keep firing/trading people, its not NBA 2K

Just fyi, this is the same attitude people had about Dwane Casey for the Raptors, oh we'll never get a better coach, nobody will want to coach the Raptors, etc. And the Raptors ended up getting a wayy better coach in Nurse, objectively. Fear of change is all that is, I promise you better (subjectively) coaches then Doc, be they experienced or relatively inexperienced like Nurse was, would all line up to take one of 30 head coaching jobs in the NBA, let alone with a superstar talent in Embiid.

[76ciology]

Retired ex-Sixer Evan Turner is just 10 months older than James Harden

[Ferry Avenue]

He's shooting so poorly from three because all he does is shoot pullups. If he doesn't start shooting more catch and shoot, I'd seriously consider lowballing him with the contract offer.

I think that's what needs to be done, this is ridiculous. Jo is injured and has all the attention on him, time to step the **** up.

Ah, but there's the central problem with James Harden and why it limits the team: he's not a "step up" kind of guy. Embiid is asking Harden to be Jimmy Butler, and of course the team needs that, but Harden is not Jimmy Butler. Harden is a great player physically speaking, but he doesn't have that mentality.

The personalities of these players across the NBA have a lot to do with whether their teams are championship-caliber. You can bet that when Nick Nurse is devising his defensive strategy and allocating so much attention to Joel Embiid, he's appraising the likelihood with which James Harden will respond to that by taking the game over and winning, and making an appraisal in that regard similar to the one I'm making here.

[eyeatoma]

He's shooting so poorly from three because all he does is shoot pullups. If he doesn't start shooting more catch and shoot, I'd seriously consider lowballing him with the contract offer.

I think that's what needs to be done, this is ridiculous. Jo is injured and has all the attention on him, time to step the **** up.

Ah, but there's the central problem with James Harden and why it limits the team: he's not a "step up" kind of guy. Embiid is asking Harden to be Jimmy Butler, and of course the team needs that, but Harden is not Jimmy Butler. Harden is a great player physically speaking, but he doesn't have that mentality.

The personalities of these players across the NBA have a lot to do with whether their teams are championship-caliber. You can bet that when Nick Nurse is devising his defensive strategy and allocating so much attention to Joel Embiid, he's appraising the likelihood with which James Harden will respond to that by taking the game over and winning, and making an appraisal in that regard similar to the one I'm making here.

Yeah well said, Harden has not performed great in pressure situations. However he does have a strong record average wise in the playoffs. We're not seeing that from him. I think that's more his body breaking down rather than it being whether he has intajibles. Atleast get is to crunch time, he's not even able to do that right now.

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[Xtruroyaltyx77]

His body was always going to break down sooner than what it probably should.

For a guy who has been mostly healthy through his career, he's played a ton of minutes. Plus he's never been a guy who stays in elite physical condition.

[mjkvol]

Morey and the ownership aren’t replacing doc or morey.

When they added those two, they’re as good as Heat announcing LeBron and Bosh signing with their team but in terms of FO personnel than NBA players. I dont remember a addition in the GM and HC position that big in one offseason.

Sixers is almost surely going to run this Morey-Doc and Embiid-Harden atleast for 2 more years.

Months ago, I said that we should explore trading Maxey. I get a reply about how the team would get bad PR if they trade Maxey. What makes you say that won’t be applied to the headcoach position?

If you fire Morey and Doc. You think a top coach or top executive would want to be on our team?

And for coach and executive to be on the hotseat, that puts a lot of pressure where it frequently unhealthy or destructive to the team.

Disagree about Doc, being the first coach of all time to lose a 3-0 lead, and already being the person with the most 3-1 lead losses, would justify firing Doc. Also, it definitely matters what Jo thinks, I don't think he'll want Doc around if we lose this series.

1.) im not considering losing this series when i gave my opinion. Actually MJKov didnt mention it. My reply isn’t to respond with losing this series after a 3-0 lead.
2.) lets see. I really dont think we will replace doc. Personally, Im ok replacing Doc if we can get a good hire. But I just dont see good coaches wanting to be with us after we fire Doc.

I would agree that Glenn isn't going anywhere if the Sixers get past Toronto, and Morey is staying regardless, as he should in my opinion. Morey walked into an impossible situation and cleaned up the mess, now is when he needs to make the Harden/Embiid tandem work - it wasn't happening this season despite what fans and the media expected.

Regarding Rivers, I believe there is a possibility he is gone if they lose this series, but it is likely they will do the 'one more chance' thing for continuity, etc. I believe he needs to go for there to be any shot at winning, as he has proven himself over and over to be incapable of adjusting his precious plan when it is clearly failing.

And please don't say there is nothing he can do, although not having some of the young guys prepared to play and having buried Korkmaz and Joe so deep on the bench he has left himself with few viable options. But that is part of having a team prepared to play and having ways to adjust if 'Plan A' is not getting the job done in a short series. And he consistently has shown an inability to do that, not just here but everywhere he has ever coached.

[mjkvol]

Personally, Im ok replacing Doc if we can get a good hire. But I just dont see good coaches wanting to be with us after we fire Doc.

Depends who you're after. I'd be thrilled if Joerger was offered and took the job, as he's a highly thought of coach. If not him, I'm looking more for a top assistant of a good team ready to make the leap than I am a retread. I think the 'no one will take the job' thing is overstated, as there are 30 of these positions ever available, and the chance to take over a team with championship aspirations is something most coaches would jump at.