Sixers 2024-25 Season Thread Part 1

[76ciology]

If we land Flagg, the most Sixers or Morey thing to do would be to shop him along with our picks (and even Grimes) in a blockbuster deal for someone like Jokic or Giannis. Who gets included to match salary, whether it’s Embiid, George, or even Maxey, would likely come down to the negotiations.

[Stanford]

Morey has never made a trade like that in his life. It's the complete opposite of a Morey-like trade.

[76ciology]

Morey has never made a trade like that in his life. It's the complete opposite of a Morey-like trade.

Are you saying he’s never traded multiple picks for a star? Because that’s what I’m implying. Or do you mean a very specific situation, like getting a number one pick and then trading it for a star? If that’s the case, then no, he’s never done that before.

[Stanford]

Or do you mean a very specific situation, like getting a number one pick and then trading it for a star.

The thing you were proposing. Trading a generational player under the age of 20 is not the same thing as trading multiple picks. It's not a Morey thing to do.

[mjkvol]

If we land Flagg, the most Sixers or Morey thing to do would be to shop him along with our picks (and even Grimes) in a blockbuster deal for someone like Jokic or Giannis. Who gets included to match salary, whether it’s Embiid, George, or even Maxey, would likely come down to the negotiations.

Stanford said it - trading multiple picks in a package for a star is night and day from trading a generational #1 pick in any kind of deal. There's nothing in Morey's record that even approaches doing something that reckless.

[the_process]

I’m expecting Grimes’ camp to ask for a significant deal, which I think is part of why the Mavs moved him. In my view, Grimes is our hedge in case we don’t land a draft pick this year. If the lottery doesn’t go our way, I think the chances of us opting to extend him at around his asking salary increase.

On the flip side, if we do land a pick, we might lean toward just giving him the qualifying offer, letting him become an unrestricted free agent next offseason.

In that scenario, we could still roll out a Maxey-Grimes backcourt supported by capable players at the 3-4-5, like I mentioned in my previous post, and try to grind our way into the play-in or lower playoff seeds. The goal would be to buy time for Embiid to recover and hopefully come back strong for the postseason. Hand OKC our pick in 2026, then bank on our rookie in 2025 draft and McCain’s growth for the 2026-2027 season.

Ideally, though, Grimes signs a “team friendly” deal through 2028. Then once PG’s contract expires, we can reward Grimes with the contract he wants.

I preface this by saying I like Grimes as a player and think he would be a very good backcourt mate with either Maxey or McCain.

But the idea Grimes is getting some big payday is far fetched IMO. He’s bounced around through 4 teams already.

1 BKN $91,807,098
2 DET $24,632,990
3 CHI $19,800,666
4 HOU $19,293,049
5 MEM $17,515,972
6 WAS $14,491,522
7 UTA $13,904,899
8 NOP $12,929,381
9 CHA $12,363,215
10 SAS $8,782,650
11 ATL $2,219,893

That the list of teams and the cap space they could open this summer, according to Spotrac. Everyone else cannot get under apparently, barring trades.

BKN wants Giannis supposedly and has Cam. DET already traded Grimes away.

CHI, HOU, and MEM all seem like bad fits for Grimes too, especially at starter money.

That means everyone else has the MLE.

[76ciology]

Or do you mean a very specific situation, like getting a number one pick and then trading it for a star.

The thing you were proposing. Trading a generational player under the age of 20 is not the same thing as trading multiple picks. It's not a Morey thing to do.

No disrespect, and I wouldn’t go as far as to say “never” because nobody can see the future. While Cooper Flagg is the clear number 1 pick and is a very promising player, but calling him a generational talent feels like a stretch.

A true generational talent is a once in a lifetime player, like LeBron. I’m not even sure Flagg is the best prospect of the last 5–10 years, Wemby was drafted 2 years ago. Flagg is much closer to Chet Holmgren than he is to LeBron.

And if we’re talking about trading for someone like Jokic or Giannis, players who are much closer to LeBron’s level than Chet’s, we’re talking about acquiring two players who are ex and current MVPs, proven winners and in the GOAT conversation or atleast ATG conversation.

[76ciology]

I’m expecting Grimes’ camp to ask for a significant deal, which I think is part of why the Mavs moved him. In my view, Grimes is our hedge in case we don’t land a draft pick this year. If the lottery doesn’t go our way, I think the chances of us opting to extend him at around his asking salary increase.

On the flip side, if we do land a pick, we might lean toward just giving him the qualifying offer, letting him become an unrestricted free agent next offseason.

In that scenario, we could still roll out a Maxey-Grimes backcourt supported by capable players at the 3-4-5, like I mentioned in my previous post, and try to grind our way into the play-in or lower playoff seeds. The goal would be to buy time for Embiid to recover and hopefully come back strong for the postseason. Hand OKC our pick in 2026, then bank on our rookie in 2025 draft and McCain’s growth for the 2026-2027 season.

Ideally, though, Grimes signs a “team friendly” deal through 2028. Then once PG’s contract expires, we can reward Grimes with the contract he wants.

I preface this by saying I like Grimes as a player and think he would be a very good backcourt mate with either Maxey or McCain.

But the idea Grimes is getting some big payday is far fetched IMO. He’s bounced around through 4 teams already.

1 BKN $91,807,098
2 DET $24,632,990
3 CHI $19,800,666
4 HOU $19,293,049
5 MEM $17,515,972
6 WAS $14,491,522
7 UTA $13,904,899
8 NOP $12,929,381
9 CHA $12,363,215
10 SAS $8,782,650
11 ATL $2,219,893

That the list of teams and the cap space they could open this summer, according to Spotrac. Everyone else cannot get under apparently, barring trades.

BKN wants Giannis supposedly and has Cam. DET already traded Grimes away.

CHI, HOU, and MEM all seem like bad fits for Grimes too, especially at starter money.

That means everyone else has the MLE.

I think the best move for Grimes is to sign a short term deal that guarantees him consistent playing time and a clear role. If he capitalizes on that opportunity, he’ll be in a strong position to secure a bigger payday once the contract’s up.

[M2J]

Or do you mean a very specific situation, like getting a number one pick and then trading it for a star.

The thing you were proposing. Trading a generational player under the age of 20 is not the same thing as trading multiple picks. It's not a Morey thing to do.

No disrespect, and I wouldn’t go as far as to say “never” because nobody can see the future. While Cooper Flagg is the clear number 1 pick and is a very promising player, but calling him a generational talent feels like a stretch.

A true generational talent is a once in a lifetime player, like LeBron. I’m not even sure Flagg is the best prospect of the last 5–10 years, Wemby was drafted 2 years ago. Flagg is much closer to Chet Holmgren than he is to LeBron.

And if we’re talking about trading for someone like Jokic or Giannis, players who are much closer to LeBron’s level than Chet’s, we’re talking about acquiring two players who are ex and current MVPs, proven winners and in the GOAT conversation or atleast ATG conversation.

I do agree that Cooper is closer to a Banchero type prospect where you know he's got what it takes to be an all star, than generational talent like Wemby. But they wouldn't trade him.

[mjkvol]

No disrespect, and I wouldn’t go as far as to say “never” because nobody can see the future. While Cooper Flagg is the clear number 1 pick and is a very promising player, but calling him a generational talent feels like a stretch.

You're right that Flagg might not quite be on the 'generational' level coming into the league, but because of his size, diverse skill set and versatility he is a step above the Banchero/Cunningham/Edwards level of recent top picks IMO. It's hard to imagine after seeing what has become of Embiid and George due to health/age that Morey would flush the future for another aging star, as great as Jokic might be.

Giannis might be another story. Flagg or not, I would be shocked if the ransom the Bucks would ask in a trade would be something the Sixers would be able to deliver without gutting the roster, defeating the whole purpose of a win now move like that.

[mjkvol]

It's incredibly aggravating to think about the completely unforced errors of signing George and extending Embiid, and where we might be sitting right now had the season played out the same after the Embiid and Maxey injuries and we were waiting on a potential lottery pick.

We would have all that promising youth plus an all-star in Maxey, a soon expiring Embiid whose value would be enhanced without the baggage of the extension, and possibly a game-changing lottery pick. No legitimate reason on earth to be in this stupid situation.

[Mik317]

stop rushing things

that has been the constant theme of all of the moves made over the last 5 years.

Chasing a made up window no matter the cost leaving you with very few ways of pivoting when it doesn't work right away. You need cohesion and a core that has been through some battles before anything...we have had a revolving door of a roster, coaching staff, and more and have attempted to have rosters learn to play with each other on the fly and then wonder why the team has no chemistry.

If we somehow win the lottery, you take Flagg and build OVER MULTIPLE YEARS and go from there. No rushing the process with win now moves...build a ROSTER of good PLAYERS and figure it out from there. No mercenaries, no former all stars who are washed, no chasing some made up window...

stop trying to rush things ffs.

[mjkvol]

stop rushing things

that has been the constant theme of all of the moves made over the last 5 years.

Chasing a made up window no matter the cost leaving you with very few ways of pivoting when it doesn't work right away. You need cohesion and a core that has been through some battles before anything...we have had a revolving door of a roster, coaching staff, and more and have attempted to have rosters learn to play with each other on the fly and then wonder why the team has no chemistry.

If we somehow win the lottery, you take Flagg and build OVER MULTIPLE YEARS and go from there. No rushing the process with win now moves...build a ROSTER of good PLAYERS and figure it out from there. No mercenaries, no former all stars who are washed, no chasing some made up window...

stop trying to rush things ffs.

A few of us on here have been screaming about the ridiculous 'window' for that entire five years. It's hard to imagine that with Morey and Nurse staying there will be a sudden philosphical change and a more patient approach where we nurture and grow a core together. If Harris had cleaned house after the season, maybe, but with the same crew in charge it's hard to see it finally happening.

[Eyeamok]

If we land Flagg, the most Sixers or Morey thing to do would be to shop him along with our picks (and even Grimes) in a blockbuster deal for someone like Jokic or Giannis. Who gets included to match salary, whether it’s Embiid, George, or even Maxey, would likely come down to the negotiations.

If we land Flag there is only one player you should trade him for and that is Anthony Davis. But we may need to throw in an extra pick or two.

[76ciology]

If we land Flagg, the most Sixers or Morey thing to do would be to shop him along with our picks (and even Grimes) in a blockbuster deal for someone like Jokic or Giannis. Who gets included to match salary, whether it’s Embiid, George, or even Maxey, would likely come down to the negotiations.

If we land Flag there is only one player you should trade him for and that is Anthony Davis. But we may need to throw in an extra pick or two.

I’m in a similar trade for either Jokic or Giannis. Specially Jokic.

[76ciology]

There’s a time for everything, a season for every move under the heavens:

A time to rush, and a time to rebuild.
A time to draft and develop, and a time to draft and trade.

If a team has a shot to be a top 3 contender, to pair two top 5 players in the league or to acquire THE TOP or top 5 player in the league. They won’t pass it up.

A chance to pair Giannis or Jokic with Embiid?

A chance to move on from Embiid and start fresh with Jokic or Giannis?

Jokic is THE top player in the league. I don’t see Flagg being near as good as Jokic. May likely not be as good as Giannis. These are MVP caliber players. And we already have a group of players to win with them.

[Mik317]

stop trading for old stars and actually let your youth take their lashes imo.

ever since Ben's fluke ass run his rookie year, the FO has had things on fast forward and it has constantly backfired imo.

This roster is not close to winning it all even with Giannis (who hasn't won a series in ages and is also injury prone) and Jokic (who is great but requires specific pieces next to him to truly work imo)...which means multiple years of not winning with little to no assets to do it. I also dont think Flagg will be as good as those guys...BUT he is an easy guy to build with and allows the team to take their time for once as you dont have to worry about contracts, time and all that jazz that comes with older dudes.

any team that gets Flagg has one of the easiest team building lay ups in ages imo. The league is going to prop him up as the next big thing too so all of our tin foil hat wearers can also see the vision lol

[ProcessDoctor]

If we land #1 or #2 I’m keeping our pick. Otherwise, I’m 100% in on pursing Giannis. He’s already a top-20 player all-time with 4+ prime seasons left.

#5
George
McCain
2028 LAC 1st
2029 PHI/LAC 1st

I’d consider throwing in our 2031 pick if I felt good about him signing an extension with us.

I don’t think Jokic will become available anytime soon.

[the_process]

If we land #1 or #2 I’m keeping our pick. Otherwise, I’m 100% in on pursing Giannis. He’s already a top-20 player all-time with 4+ prime seasons left.

#5
George
McCain
2028 LAC 1st
2029 PHI/LAC 1st

I’d consider throwing in our 2031 pick if I felt good about him signing an extension with us.

I don’t think Jokic will become available anytime soon.

I do not like this.

I would not advocate for it whatsoever.

On the other hand, it is a Morey move, and it would be understandable.

But let's not forget... signing PG was also understandable.

[zaz102]

If we land #1 or #2 I’m keeping our pick. Otherwise, I’m 100% in on pursing Giannis. He’s already a top-20 player all-time with 4+ prime seasons left.

#5
George
McCain
2028 LAC 1st
2029 PHI/LAC 1st

I’d consider throwing in our 2031 pick if I felt good about him signing an extension with us.

I don’t think Jokic will become available anytime soon.

I'm out on a Giannis trade. As long as Embiid is damaged goods, I don't think the Sixers would be much better than the current Bucks which were first round fodder for the Pacers.