2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

Post #1121 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:01 am

Ball may reportedly work out for us as well. Regardless, what I know is that Ball declined and Jackson cancelled their work outs with Boston. Perhaps Jackson eventually does workout for them and this was all coincidental, but until then...

PhilBlackson · Post #1122 » by **PhilBlackson** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:09 am

I will say though Fultz would be a perfect compliment to Simmons' game as Kyrie is to LeBron's.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #1123 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:21 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:Ball may reportedly work out for us as well. Regardless, what I know is that Ball declined and Jackson cancelled their work outs with Boston. Perhaps Jackson eventually does workout for them and this was all coincidental, but until then...

Well, the Ball reports are that his camp would consider it. But Jackson's agent was gung ho about working out for the Sixers. It's a bit different.

Whatever, it doesn't really matter. As soon as we get a date on when/if Jackson is actually working out for the Sixers then it would put all the speculation for this particular rumor to bed.

timLH · Post #1124 » by **timLH** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:03 am

I am concerned if Ball can play P&R with Simmons and he is not good at creating his own shot. Also, I am not sure his 3 pt shooting can translate to NBA. The rumor that LAL is disappointed with his conditioning is a matter, not to mention his dad...

76ciology · Post #1125 » by **76ciology** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:17 am

timLH wrote:I am concerned if Ball can play P&R with Simmons and he is not good at creating his own shot. Also, I am not sure his 3 pt shooting can translate to NBA. The rumor that LAL is disappointed with his conditioning is a matter, not to mention his dad...

I don't know man.. But you have to be really bad to not be able to run PnR in today's NBA. Not to mention that lonzo can shoot and as well drive to the rim off screen.

If there are any questions, it will be on Lonzo's ISO scoring that you're going to bet that his height advantage can compensate for his weird shooting mechanics. And this IMO will limit his volume scoring that could also translate with difficulty in being a big star PG.

76ciology · Post #1126 » by **76ciology** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:21 am

PhilBlackson wrote:I will say though Fultz would be a perfect compliment to Simmons' game as Kyrie is to LeBron's.

Yup. His motor would be fine as a tertiary option behind BS&Biid.

76ciology · Post #1127 » by **76ciology** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:22 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:Ball may reportedly work out for us as well. Regardless, what I know is that Ball declined and Jackson cancelled their work outs with Boston. Perhaps Jackson eventually does workout for them and this was all coincidental, but until then...

Maybe JJ'a agent already knew Celts will draft Fultz that they dont see any benefit for a workout with the Celts

51X3RF4N · Post #1128 » by **51X3RF4N** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:00 am

Or maybe, Jackson really just wants to play in Philly or LA, and doesn't want to go to Boston? It's possible.

Philly has Embiid from Kansas, and may have been the team that promised him. And Jackson may have fallen in love with Philly in the pre draft process, maybe he thinks it's a great fit for him.

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Kolkmania · Post #1129 » by **Kolkmania** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:20 am

51X3RF4N wrote:Or maybe, Jackson really just wants to play in Philly or LA, and doesn't want to go to Boston? It's possible.

Philly has Embiid from Kansas, and may have been the team that promised him. And Jackson may have fallen in love with Philly in the pre draft process, maybe he thinks it's a great fit for him.

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All speculation, but I could see agents being a bit hesitant with the Celtics because of the limited playing time and a small room for errors. Might benefit players in the long run, but takes a hit short term due to missed merchandising and possibly a max contract after rookie contract.

That said, could also be an injury, illness, information that Celtics will draft Fultz or the source is completely wrong :lol:

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51X3RF4N · Post #1130 » by **51X3RF4N** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:41 am

After watching a video breakdown of Ball's shooting form, and why it is "broken", I am very much hesitant to be excited if he is the pick.

He needs to fix that set point and bring the ball back over to his right side. I don't think he can be an effective shooter in the NBA long term.

Jackson or Fultz I am okay with. Either one will make me feel good about next season.

Monk, Ntilikina or Isaac if a trade down.

But I would be pushing hard to trade #3 in a package for a legit player.

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freshie2 · Post #1131 » by **freshie2** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:46 am

Frank Jackson with a later pick seems like such a good fit. Not sure on the injury, but his skill set is a great fit with the current roster. Some mocks have him falling to round 2, but I can't see him not being taken in the first. Hart is another guard I'd like to see added...just another solid player who would appear to fit. He has the feel of a Spurs type player.

Cheatergriffin · Post #1132 » by **Cheatergriffin** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:26 pm

Anyone else thinking BC or JC leaked the josh jackson promise to an old affiliate in Phoenix?

smittybanton · Post #1133 » by **smittybanton** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:27 pm

The Rookie of the Year Award is worth tens of millions of dollars because of the new "SuperMax".

Boston's is chock full of guards and wings, their weakness is already in the front court, and Amir Johnson and Kelly Olynyk are free agents they don't want to 'overpay'. None of these guys move the needle for Boston. And I for one am happy about that! Lol.

Neither Fultz, Jackson, nor Ball can get the new SuperMax if they go to Boston because there's ZERO chance they get rookie of the year playing for the Celtics. Plus, they will get much less hype and endorsements, which accounts for the bullk of the agent's revenue, since the NBPA limits their take on players' salaries to around 4%.

Moreover, Boston is highly likely to trade that pick for the same reasons. Problem is, surely all the gms know the Celtics need the 5 and 10 way more than Sacramento needs the one. They need to use their capspace on a frontcourt partner for Al Horford (Ibaka, Griffin), then draft two bigs for the future: Jonathan Isaac (5), Zach Collins (10). They have the ammunition to move up from #10, if they have must. In two years, Isaac will be a better Amir Johnson than "peak" Amir Johnson. In perhaps less time, Zach Collins will be a better Kelly Olynyk than Kelly Olynyk.

Last night, we saw Patrick McCaw get out there and do some things. Dejounte Murray in San Antonio, in earlier rounds. Next year, the Boston Celtics (with thomas, bradley, rozier, smart, crowder, jbrown) would be more likely to get impactful spot-minutes out Zach Collins than Josh Jackson or Lonzo Ball, considering they already have Isaiah Thomas, Avery Bradley, Terry Rozier, Marcus Smart, Jae Crowder and Jaylen Brown.

Kobblehead · Post #1134 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:29 pm

Maybe if you're looking at Frank as an aggressive athlete with a jumpshot that can be molded into a good basketball player in due time. Nothing about his game tape suggests he'd be a good fit with us. No defensive foundation. Tunnel vision as a ball handler with no distributing instincts. Doesn't sound like a Popovich, Brown, Budenholzer player. Nor a Kerr or Stevens one, either. There's A LOT of work to be done with Frank Jackson. That's why he has no first round grade.

SelfishPlayer · Post #1135 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:31 pm

Terrance Ferguson, wish I can see more of him, but he looks like he could be a 10+ year starter at SG in the NBA especially when you factor in that he isn't an older player for his class like Josh Jackson. He spent a season as a role player against men, that shows selflessness. How will a SG like Malik Monk react to not having an offense built around him when he finally plays against men? Furguson's 8'7" standing reach combined with his explosive leaping makes for one difficult closeout.

Aussiepiston1 · Post #1136 » by **Aussiepiston1** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:31 pm

Nothings changed LOL We're either picking Fox, Jackson, Fultz or Tatum which probably means We're ending up with Ball hahahahahahaha

76ciology · Post #1137 » by **76ciology** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:43 pm

Remember how I said Lonzo might drop to us to continue the tradition of us landing prospects who wants to play for Lakers? Biid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons... Lonzo might be next.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1138 » by **Unbreakable99** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:48 pm

timLH wrote:I am concerned if Ball can play P&R with Simmons and he is not good at creating his own shot. Also, I am not sure his 3 pt shooting can translate to NBA. The rumor that LAL is disappointed with his conditioning is a matter, not to mention his dad...

Ball ran one of the most fastest paced teams in college. I'm not worried about his conditioning.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1139 » by **Unbreakable99** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:49 pm

76ciology wrote:Remember how I said Lonzo might drop to us to continue the tradition of us landing prospects who wants to play for Lakers? Biid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons... Lonzo might be next.

There were no reports of Embiid or Saric wanting to play for the Lakers over us.

AdotSmoove · Post #1140 » by **AdotSmoove** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:52 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
AdotSmoove wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Ben Simmons is a point forward, and Lou Williams isn't athletic? He has one of the best first steps in the business.

Watch on YouTube

if the Sixers draft Monk at #3 and do not make any more additions, what would be your prefered starting lineup next season?

A lightning quick first step doesn't get you above the rim and being a below the rim player has limitations. Those limitations IMO really hurt in the context of being an off ball scorer utilizing Backdoor cuts. Someone like LouWill can be guarded by smaller players because there's no risk he will go over them so you only need to put a solid on ball defender on him and issue solved. TJ can guard LouWill just fine. I do not think TJ could guard Monk because all Monk has to do is play above the rim.

BS for better or worse will be PG next season. Whether that works out or not remains to be seen but for purposes of lineup construction it doesn't make a difference to me. If we take Monk at three and do nothing else, my starting five would be:

Bayless/TJ
Monk/Sauce
Cov/Luwawu
Simmons/Saric
Embiid/Holmes

Simmons and Embiid run PnR while the other three use off ball screens to free each other up much the way of GSWs weakside offensive action.

Embiid mitigates a lot of the penetration concerns you have with a Bayless Monk backcourt. I think our lineups will be fine inserting Monk. The problem I see with our lineup constructions is that we keep trying to shoehorn Dario into that role when he should just run the second unit.

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Bayless, Monk, Covington, is a low BBall IQ lineup headed for the lottery.
Lou Williams guarded by TJ MCConnell?

3 of them aren't creating, they are standing on the perimeter and shooting. You don't need to be a genius to do it. And yes TJ can stay in front of LouWill. TJ is a pest. Hating on TJ...what's wrong with you?

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