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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1121 » by Chris76 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:22 am

76ciology wrote:Yeah, that's the good thing playing with other talented players, the focus of D can be on Biid and Ben that you can be a pressure release valve that can operate on less pressure.


Good point. Most #1 picks don't get a chance to start with other top prospects. Fultz can be a positive without putting the team on his back. However, if Fultz is doing well shooting, why not keep feeding him. He should have some high scoring games, his shooting looks almost effortless.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1122 » by Mrcrockpots » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:52 am

I think there is a huge possibility that Fultz puts up some major scoring numbers THIS year. With Simmons creating and Embiid demanding double teams down low, Fultz will quickly become our 2nd scoring option. I'm hoping for stretches (one to two months) of putting over 20 points per game. I love how everyone assumes Fultz will be third wheel on the Sixers. Fultz has a killer demeanor about him, and I don't see any reason why he'll be passing up open shots and won't put up at least 10-12 shots per game this year (in addition to making a living at the free throw line).

(disclaimor- I'm in the camp that thinks Embiid/Simmons/Fultz will hit the ground running and win 50 this year, I'm a glass half full guy, what can I say?)
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1123 » by LloydFree » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:14 am

Mrcrockpots wrote:I think there is a huge possibility that Fultz puts up some major scoring numbers THIS year. With Simmons creating and Embiid demanding double teams down low, Fultz will quickly become our 2nd scoring option. I'm hoping for stretches (one to two months) of putting over 20 points per game. I love how everyone assumes Fultz will be third wheel on the Sixers. Fultz has a killer demeanor about him, and I don't see any reason why he'll be passing up open shots and won't put up at least 10-12 shots per game this year (in addition to making a living at the free throw line).

(disclaimor- I'm in the camp that thinks Embiid/Simmons/Fultz will hit the ground running and win 50 this year, I'm a glass half full guy, what can I say?)

If Fultz scores 20 ppg, it will be because he shot the ball 20-25 times per game. Which means the 76ers wouldn't win 50.
A 19 year old Fultz will play 24-28 minutes per game, get 15 shots per game, and will probably score 13-16 ppg, IF he has a good year.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1124 » by bedjawII » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:59 am

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76ciology wrote:Yeah, that's the good thing playing with other talented players, the focus of D can be on Biid and Ben that you can be a pressure release valve that can operate on less pressure.


Good point. Most #1 picks don't get a chance to start with other top prospects. Fultz can be a positive without putting the team on his back. However, if Fultz is doing well shooting, why not keep feeding him. He should have some high scoring games, his shooting looks almost effortless.

Fultz will have ample opportunity to score. He does things nobody on the roster does. I love his efficiency so it should translate to good team basketball. His above average athleticism will mesh great with our open style. His elite vision will also translate well in the P n R. I hope Reddick, RoCo and Embiid set the tone for him for the intensity required on both ends. He's an elite prospect for very obvious reasons and I believe he's going to show that on most nights. Will he struggle...of course he will at times. But he's a legit elite prospect and should help us win games right away.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1125 » by eyeatoma » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:51 pm

LloydFree wrote:
Mrcrockpots wrote:I think there is a huge possibility that Fultz puts up some major scoring numbers THIS year. With Simmons creating and Embiid demanding double teams down low, Fultz will quickly become our 2nd scoring option. I'm hoping for stretches (one to two months) of putting over 20 points per game. I love how everyone assumes Fultz will be third wheel on the Sixers. Fultz has a killer demeanor about him, and I don't see any reason why he'll be passing up open shots and won't put up at least 10-12 shots per game this year (in addition to making a living at the free throw line).

(disclaimor- I'm in the camp that thinks Embiid/Simmons/Fultz will hit the ground running and win 50 this year, I'm a glass half full guy, what can I say?)

If Fultz scores 20 ppg, it will be because he shot the ball 20-25 times per game. Which means the 76ers wouldn't win 50.
A 19 year old Fultz will play 24-28 minutes per game, get 15 shots per game, and will probably score 13-16 ppg, IF he has a good year.


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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1126 » by Sixerscan » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:32 pm

LloydFree wrote:
Mrcrockpots wrote:I think there is a huge possibility that Fultz puts up some major scoring numbers THIS year. With Simmons creating and Embiid demanding double teams down low, Fultz will quickly become our 2nd scoring option. I'm hoping for stretches (one to two months) of putting over 20 points per game. I love how everyone assumes Fultz will be third wheel on the Sixers. Fultz has a killer demeanor about him, and I don't see any reason why he'll be passing up open shots and won't put up at least 10-12 shots per game this year (in addition to making a living at the free throw line).

(disclaimor- I'm in the camp that thinks Embiid/Simmons/Fultz will hit the ground running and win 50 this year, I'm a glass half full guy, what can I say?)

If Fultz scores 20 ppg, it will be because he shot the ball 20-25 times per game. Which means the 76ers wouldn't win 50.
A 19 year old Fultz will play 24-28 minutes per game, get 15 shots per game, and will probably score 13-16 ppg, IF he has a good year.


lol I know you don't like the guy but he's not willie green. In the last 20 years of every rookie that got at least 15 shots a game only MCW scored less than 18 a night (he averaged 16.7)
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1127 » by LloydFree » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:03 pm

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Mrcrockpots wrote:I think there is a huge possibility that Fultz puts up some major scoring numbers THIS year. With Simmons creating and Embiid demanding double teams down low, Fultz will quickly become our 2nd scoring option. I'm hoping for stretches (one to two months) of putting over 20 points per game. I love how everyone assumes Fultz will be third wheel on the Sixers. Fultz has a killer demeanor about him, and I don't see any reason why he'll be passing up open shots and won't put up at least 10-12 shots per game this year (in addition to making a living at the free throw line).

(disclaimor- I'm in the camp that thinks Embiid/Simmons/Fultz will hit the ground running and win 50 this year, I'm a glass half full guy, what can I say?)

If Fultz scores 20 ppg, it will be because he shot the ball 20-25 times per game. Which means the 76ers wouldn't win 50.
A 19 year old Fultz will play 24-28 minutes per game, get 15 shots per game, and will probably score 13-16 ppg, IF he has a good year.


lol I know you don't like the guy but he's not willie green. In the last 20 years of every rookie that got at least 15 shots a game only MCW scored less than 18 a night (he averaged 16.7)


Fair enough. If he gets 15 shots, he'll likely average more than 16 ppg. But the point is, a player like him, who takes a lot of contested 2pt shots and is a bad FT shooter, won't score 20ppg without taking a lot of shots. He's​ not going to get that on a good team. Bradley Beal's Rookie season of 12.5 shots and 14 ppg is more realistic than 20 ppg.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1128 » by Sixerscan » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:26 pm

LloydFree wrote:
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LloydFree wrote:If Fultz scores 20 ppg, it will be because he shot the ball 20-25 times per game. Which means the 76ers wouldn't win 50.
A 19 year old Fultz will play 24-28 minutes per game, get 15 shots per game, and will probably score 13-16 ppg, IF he has a good year.


lol I know you don't like the guy but he's not willie green. In the last 20 years of every rookie that got at least 15 shots a game only MCW scored less than 18 a night (he averaged 16.7)


Fair enough. If he gets 15 shots, he'll likely average more than 16 ppg. But the point is, a player like him, who takes a lot of contested 2pt shots and is a bad FT shooter, won't score 20ppg without taking a lot of shots. He's​ not going to get that on a good enough team. Bradley Beal's Rookie season of 12.5 shots and 14 ppg is more realistic than 20 ppg.


If he's playing a smaller role he should be put in more efficient situations. especially in Brett's offense. Beal wasn't as good of an offensive prospect coming out and played on a 29 win Wizards team as a rookie.

Team has a pretty good track record of improving guys' free throw shooting.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1129 » by 76ciology » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:27 pm

One angle im looking at with Fultz is he's trying to put the spotlight at Lonzo so there'll be less pressure on him. That want to wear big baller brand stuff was lame and a reach. Fultz is really corny.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1130 » by Unbreakable99 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:25 pm

If Fultz thinks Kobe is better than LeBron and if Fultz tries to use every snub against him as motivation like Jordan and is as good as Kobe then I'll allow him thinking Kobe is better than LeBron. Let's see Fultz shut up all the doubters and haters and play like the best player in the draft and in 3 years is an all star and is average 25 ppg and is efficient and plays defense.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1131 » by Mrcrockpots » Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:23 am

Fultz is going to make a killing on the free throw line this year. One of the bigger differences between Markelle and Lonzo is there ability to get to the rim and finish. Markelle got 7.5 free throw attempts per 40 minutes last year. In comparison, Lonzo had only 3.1 free throw attempts per 40 minutes. Kyrie Irving in his rookie year averaged 4.5 FTA per 36 minutes. Me thinks Fultz should get in that 5-6 range this year. Why? He's going to be the recipient of double teams caused by Simmons attacked the rim and Embiid down in the paint. I can see his pump faking and getting into the lane at will, and all thats left for the defense is to foul him and hope that 64% free throw percentage is a true indicator (it's not).
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1132 » by phillynative » Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:42 am

Mrcrockpots wrote:Fultz is going to make a killing on the free throw line this year. One of the bigger differences between Markelle and Lonzo is there ability to get to the rim and finish. Markelle got 7.5 free throw attempts per 40 minutes last year. In comparison, Lonzo had only 3.1 free throw attempts per 40 minutes. Kyrie Irving in his rookie year averaged 4.5 FTA per 36 minutes. Me thinks Fultz should get in that 5-6 range this year. Why? He's going to be the recipient of double teams caused by Simmons attacked the rim and Embiid down in the paint. I can see his pump faking and getting into the lane at will, and all thats left for the defense is to foul him and hope that 64% free throw percentage is a true indicator (it's not).


Hopefully because we haven't had a guard that can get to the line consistently since Lou will.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1133 » by Mrcrockpots » Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:45 am

phillynative wrote:
Mrcrockpots wrote:Fultz is going to make a killing on the free throw line this year. One of the bigger differences between Markelle and Lonzo is there ability to get to the rim and finish. Markelle got 7.5 free throw attempts per 40 minutes last year. In comparison, Lonzo had only 3.1 free throw attempts per 40 minutes. Kyrie Irving in his rookie year averaged 4.5 FTA per 36 minutes. Me thinks Fultz should get in that 5-6 range this year. Why? He's going to be the recipient of double teams caused by Simmons attacked the rim and Embiid down in the paint. I can see his pump faking and getting into the lane at will, and all thats left for the defense is to foul him and hope that 64% free throw percentage is a true indicator (it's not).


Hopefully because we haven't had a guard that can get to the line consistently since Lou will.


So true
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1134 » by Chris76 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:34 pm

Mrcrockpots wrote:Fultz is going to make a killing on the free throw line this year. One of the bigger differences between Markelle and Lonzo is there ability to get to the rim and finish. Markelle got 7.5 free throw attempts per 40 minutes last year. In comparison, Lonzo had only 3.1 free throw attempts per 40 minutes. Kyrie Irving in his rookie year averaged 4.5 FTA per 36 minutes. Me thinks Fultz should get in that 5-6 range this year. Why? He's going to be the recipient of double teams caused by Simmons attacked the rim and Embiid down in the paint. I can see his pump faking and getting into the lane at will, and all thats left for the defense is to foul him and hope that 64% free throw percentage is a true indicator (it's not).


Good points. Fultz's ability to shoot thru contact is a huge difference between Markelle and Lonzo, especially at the end of shot clock. His wingspan allows him to get shots off in tight spaces. Hopefully, his free throw % improves.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1135 » by JojoSlimbiid » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:53 pm

I think Simmons is gonna be the guy with the ridiculous freethrow rate this season. I think Fultz herky jerky style of play could lead him to getting to the line quite a bit down the line but not this upcoming season and not for awhile. I think he's gonna be pretty perimeter oriented for the 1st 2 years to be honest. Getting to the paint in situations off of the PnR and in transition where he is actually pretty good.

Hopefully he doesn't become a flopper but more seeking out contact to get to the line.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1136 » by HotelVitale » Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:03 pm

Mrcrockpots wrote:Fultz is going to make a killing on the free throw line this year. One of the bigger differences between Markelle and Lonzo is there ability to get to the rim and finish. Markelle got 7.5 free throw attempts per 40 minutes last year. In comparison, Lonzo had only 3.1 free throw attempts per 40 minutes. Kyrie Irving in his rookie year averaged 4.5 FTA per 36 minutes. Me thinks Fultz should get in that 5-6 range this year.

That reasoning seems pretty self-serving. Kyrie averaged about 8.5 FTA per 40 in the NCAA, so translating the numbers/proportions of each directly, Fultz would average about 3.9 FTA per game. And that's if he plays 31 mpg and gets a huge 29% usage like Kyrie did in his rookie season.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1137 » by agiaco » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:01 pm

JojoSlimbiid wrote:I think Simmons is gonna be the guy with the ridiculous freethrow rate this season. I think Fultz herky jerky style of play could lead him to getting to the line quite a bit down the line but not this upcoming season and not for awhile. I think he's gonna be pretty perimeter oriented for the 1st 2 years to be honest. Getting to the paint in situations off of the PnR and in transition where he is actually pretty good.

Hopefully he doesn't become a flopper but more seeking out contact to get to the line.


Simmons should have so many mismatches going to the rim. Just going to depend how many passes he kicks out instead of taking it to the basket. It seems pretty clear passing and getting assists is his main priority but it would be great to see him go strong a lot. I can't wait to see the wrap-around from Simmons to Biid for monster jams, JJ splashing, Markelle Driving and slamming, Roco threes, some funky shot Dario makes. Holmes is gonna have a field day dunking when he's paired with Ben too. Gonna be fun!
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1138 » by Mik317 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:25 pm

yeah Rookies very rarely get calls...Embiid did because he is a giant man
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Post#1139 » by agiaco » Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:09 pm

Mik317 wrote:yeah Rookies very rarely get calls...Embiid did because he is a giant man


And even then a lot of no-calls when he was getting battered down low. There isn't a player that can stop him.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#1140 » by LongLiveHinkie » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:06 am

They'll make sure Lonzo gets a call every time he drives to the rack.

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