Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[Arsenal]

Myles Turner is a TERRIBLE fit with Joel Embiid. No different than Al Horford was. We'd be delusional to try a dual-center lineup again.

I get that we want to move on from the albatross that is Tobias Harris, but give me a break.

[Sixerscan]

If you're frustrated with Harris wait until you get ahold of one of Turner's 5 point nights. He's a great rim protector (weird main attribute to want for a starting 4?) otherwise a pretty limited player. He's a good shooter, but again, in the context of being a 5, like his 39% is more like how Horford would shoot 39% as opposed to Harris getting there by creating shots. And he shot 33% from 3 last year. I'm sort of lost here.

Is it possible that Turner is a worse fit here than Harris? You make good points about attributes for a starting 4, but if Turner is an elite rim protector and can shoot 3's anywhere above 35%, right there I'll take him over Tobias, who has exactly zero elite skills other than filling up a stat sheet.

People say Harris is a bad fit here like it's a given and I don't get that at all. His literal skills are a great fit with Embiid and while he was playing Simmons. If anything it's the exact opposite, his issue is just that he's not an elite talent which is how he is being paid. If he was making $25 million or whatever no one would be complaining about him.

[Sixerscan]

I'm confused how people exactly think the Sixers got the best record in the eastern conference last year with Embiid missing as much time as he did if Simmons and/or Harris weren't good players... Was it Danny and Seth? Dwight Howard? What am I missing here? If winning regular season games is so easy to do that why was Myles Turner's team in the lottery?

[the_process]

Sabonis to TOR
Siakam and VanVleet to PHI
Simmons to IND

That doesn't work salary-wise, and the value is off, but I like that as the skeleton of a trade idea.

[eyeatoma]

I’d happily give up Milton, Korkmaz, Springer and two picks if it gets us Ingram and Turner for Harris and Ben. Sounds like a a lot but it’s surplus assets now. Maxey covers Milton by a mile, Korkmaz isn’t needed because duh Ingram and Springer isn’t going to contribute anyway and the picks are not lotto so use them if you want to contend.

I think that is very reasonable. Also Ben can be moved along to the Wolves if they want him desperately in a three way minaj deal lol. That frontcourt is bludgeoning.

Maxey
Green
Ingram
Turner
Embiid

Sweet done.

Not enough shooting in that lineup, and green is on his last legs.

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[mjkvol]

If you're frustrated with Harris wait until you get ahold of one of Turner's 5 point nights. He's a great rim protector (weird main attribute to want for a starting 4?) otherwise a pretty limited player. He's a good shooter, but again, in the context of being a 5, like his 39% is more like how Horford would shoot 39% as opposed to Harris getting there by creating shots. And he shot 33% from 3 last year. I'm sort of lost here.

Is it possible that Turner is a worse fit here than Harris? You make good points about attributes for a starting 4, but if Turner is an elite rim protector and can shoot 3's anywhere above 35%, right there I'll take him over Tobias, who has exactly zero elite skills other than filling up a stat sheet.

People say Harris is a bad fit here like it's a given and I don't get that at all. His literal skills are a great fit with Embiid and while he was playing Simmons. If anything it's the exact opposite, his issue is just that he's not an elite talent which is how he is being paid. If he was making $25 million or whatever no one would be complaining about him.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Even at half the price I don't see him as a good fit here, even as he's trying (occasionally) to become more of a floor stretcher. His comfort zone is still where Embiid lives, he'll always be a ball stopper, he's a below average defensive player, and he's a zero in the biggest spots.

[DCasey91]

Myles Turner is a TERRIBLE fit with Joel Embiid. No different than Al Horford was. We'd be delusional to try a dual-center lineup again.

I get that we want to move on from the albatross that is Tobias Harris, but give me a break.

Disagree. Turner is 25 and he’s played with less of a spacer in Sabonis. Is a better rim protector and more mobile too.

I’d rather us go all in on one direction and Turner is a player that gives us that with Embiid. Have you seen what the Cavs are doing?

.... I mean the Bucks and the Lakers basically did it and crushed midget small ball teams and made it a joke in the end. Turner can play PF anyway it’s better than having a leaky suspect offensive player in Tobithus. Win/win

Raptors had Gasol and Ibaka, two pronged bigs has worked very well when there’s little overlap involved. Turner would shave off so much of Embiid’s responsibility

[Sixerscan]

Is it possible that Turner is a worse fit here than Harris? You make good points about attributes for a starting 4, but if Turner is an elite rim protector and can shoot 3's anywhere above 35%, right there I'll take him over Tobias, who has exactly zero elite skills other than filling up a stat sheet.

People say Harris is a bad fit here like it's a given and I don't get that at all. His literal skills are a great fit with Embiid and while he was playing Simmons. If anything it's the exact opposite, his issue is just that he's not an elite talent which is how he is being paid. If he was making $25 million or whatever no one would be complaining about him.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Even at half the price I don't see him as a good fit here, even as he's trying (occasionally) to become more of a floor stretcher. His comfort zone is still where Embiid lives, he'll always be a ball stopper, he's a below average defensive player, and he's a zero in the biggest spots.

If you're going to split it like this you can say Danny Green is a bad fit with because he doesn''t dribble or Seth is because he's not a point guard and is bad at defense. It'd be great if Tobias was good at everything, but again I don't think that would be the expectation if he wasn't paid the way he was. His shooting and ball handling makes him a very good 4 to have alongside Embiid.

A bad fit is more like Horford and Embiid, or yes Turner and Embiid.

[DCasey91]

I’d happily give up Milton, Korkmaz, Springer and two picks if it gets us Ingram and Turner for Harris and Ben. Sounds like a a lot but it’s surplus assets now. Maxey covers Milton by a mile, Korkmaz isn’t needed because duh Ingram and Springer isn’t going to contribute anyway and the picks are not lotto so use them if you want to contend.

I think that is very reasonable. Also Ben can be moved along to the Wolves if they want him desperately in a three way minaj deal lol. That frontcourt is bludgeoning.

Maxey
Green
Ingram
Turner
Embiid

Sweet done.

Not enough shooting in that lineup, and green is on his last legs.

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Well sorry to tell you Bucks nearly shot themselves out of two playoff series’s lol. Then they realized wait were humungous let’s just crush inside then they won. Bucks spammed the 3 ball first game of the finals and it wasn’t even close by the siren. Holiday, Giannis aren’t great shooters.

GSW have bloody Looney/Green ffs!

I’m tired of trying to copycat/emulate. Embiid and work under that proviso. Our backcourt is horrible and Fox/DLO, CJ, Dame whatever is just compounding it and not solving it in the end.

Our best player is Embiid, we aren’t a GSW/Spurs system never has and never will be so don’t go down that path. He isn’t going to be a 22-10-2 52+ % FG DPOY which he should be but isn’t.

This is how we are going to win, choke other teams by defense and death by volume on the other end. We can funnel it to the two bigs then good luck getting inside.

[Sixerscan]

Myles Turner is a TERRIBLE fit with Joel Embiid. No different than Al Horford was. We'd be delusional to try a dual-center lineup again.

I get that we want to move on from the albatross that is Tobias Harris, but give me a break.

Disagree. Turner is 25 and he’s played with less of a spacer in Sabonis. Is a better rim protector and more mobile too.

I’d rather us go all in on one direction and Turner is a player that gives us that with Embiid. Have you seen what the Cavs are doing?

.... I mean the Bucks and the Lakers basically did it and crushed midget small ball teams and made it a joke in the end. Turner can play PF anyway it’s better than having a leaky suspect offensive player in Tobithus. Win/win

Raptors had Gasol and Ibaka, two pronged bigs has worked very well when there’s little overlap involved. Turner would shave off so much of Embiid’s responsibility

And they are a lottery team and haven't won a playoff game since 2018 when Sabonis was still coming off the bench.

Ibaka came off the bench for the Raptors. If you're bringing him in to back up Harris and Embiid maybe that makes sense but this doesn't make sense to me.

[eyeatoma]

I’d happily give up Milton, Korkmaz, Springer and two picks if it gets us Ingram and Turner for Harris and Ben. Sounds like a a lot but it’s surplus assets now. Maxey covers Milton by a mile, Korkmaz isn’t needed because duh Ingram and Springer isn’t going to contribute anyway and the picks are not lotto so use them if you want to contend.

I think that is very reasonable. Also Ben can be moved along to the Wolves if they want him desperately in a three way minaj deal lol. That frontcourt is bludgeoning.

Maxey
Green
Ingram
Turner
Embiid

Sweet done.

Not enough shooting in that lineup, and green is on his last legs.

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Well sorry to tell you Bucks nearly shot themselves out of two playoff series’s lol. Then they realized wait were humungous let’s just crush inside then they won. Bucks spammed the 3 ball first game of the finals and it wasn’t even close by the siren. Holiday, Giannis aren’t great shooters.

GSW have bloody Looney/Green ffs!

I’m tired of trying to copycat/emulate. Embiid and work under that proviso. Our backcourt is horrible and Fox/DLO, CJ, Dame whatever is just compounding it and not solving it in the end.

Our best player is Embiid, we aren’t a GSW/Spurs system never has and never will be so don’t go down that path. He isn’t going to be a 22-10-2 52+ % FG DPOY which he should be but isn’t.

This is how we are going to win, choke other teams by defense and death by volume on the other end. We can funnel it to the two bigs then good luck getting inside.

We tried the before and we sucked with a better player than Myles Turner, in Al Horford. Despite Horford's down year with us he is an infinitely better player than Turner. Ingram is a good replacement over Harris but he does not shoot enough. Joel thrives with shooting around him.

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[DCasey91]

Myles Turner is a TERRIBLE fit with Joel Embiid. No different than Al Horford was. We'd be delusional to try a dual-center lineup again.

I get that we want to move on from the albatross that is Tobias Harris, but give me a break.

Disagree. Turner is 25 and he’s played with less of a spacer in Sabonis. Is a better rim protector and more mobile too.

I’d rather us go all in on one direction and Turner is a player that gives us that with Embiid. Have you seen what the Cavs are doing?

.... I mean the Bucks and the Lakers basically did it and crushed midget small ball teams and made it a joke in the end. Turner can play PF anyway it’s better than having a leaky suspect offensive player in Tobithus. Win/win

Raptors had Gasol and Ibaka, two pronged bigs has worked very well when there’s little overlap involved. Turner would shave off so much of Embiid’s responsibility

And they are a lottery team and haven't won a playoff game since 2018 when Sabonis was still coming off the bench.

Ibaka came off the bench for the Raptors. If you're bringing him in to back up Harris and Embiid maybe that makes sense but this doesn't make sense to me.

Well good luck to you in trying to get this team even close to being semi competent when playoffs comes around.

If you can’t see Turner would be great for this team I don’t know what to tell you. I mean how is Turner for Harris not a big positive outcome. It’s not like Harris is getting paid 38/40 next two years.. that shuts the door of any slim chance we have (yes the chances are slim).

[DCasey91]

Not enough shooting in that lineup, and green is on his last legs.

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Well sorry to tell you Bucks nearly shot themselves out of two playoff series’s lol. Then they realized wait were humungous let’s just crush inside then they won. Bucks spammed the 3 ball first game of the finals and it wasn’t even close by the siren. Holiday, Giannis aren’t great shooters.

GSW have bloody Looney/Green ffs!

I’m tired of trying to copycat/emulate. Embiid and work under that proviso. Our backcourt is horrible and Fox/DLO, CJ, Dame whatever is just compounding it and not solving it in the end.

Our best player is Embiid, we aren’t a GSW/Spurs system never has and never will be so don’t go down that path. He isn’t going to be a 22-10-2 52+ % FG DPOY which he should be but isn’t.

This is how we are going to win, choke other teams by defense and death by volume on the other end. We can funnel it to the two bigs then good luck getting inside.

We tried the before and we sucked with a better player than Myles Turner, in Al Horford. Despite Horford's down year with us he is an infinitely better player than Turner. Ingram is a good replacement over Harris but he does not shoot enough. Joel thrives with shooting around him.

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J Rich was basically our PG and Harris sucked so much it wasn’t funny. No Joel doesn’t just thrive with shooting around him he thrives with correct setups. Infinite is superlatives cmon now

Curry + Maxey, Green on the wing into Turner + Embiid is more than fine imo. You have the nuke in Curry that’s all the shooting you need, the ballhandler/pnr scorer in Maxey now second option, and Embiid/Turner as the two pronged big man setup that works well together offensively and defensively. The deferring into dribble Tobithus is gone.

I fail to see how that isn’t a great setup here.

Butler isn’t a great shooter look at how that turned out.

Context folks

[Sixerscan]

Disagree. Turner is 25 and he’s played with less of a spacer in Sabonis. Is a better rim protector and more mobile too.

I’d rather us go all in on one direction and Turner is a player that gives us that with Embiid. Have you seen what the Cavs are doing?

.... I mean the Bucks and the Lakers basically did it and crushed midget small ball teams and made it a joke in the end. Turner can play PF anyway it’s better than having a leaky suspect offensive player in Tobithus. Win/win

Raptors had Gasol and Ibaka, two pronged bigs has worked very well when there’s little overlap involved. Turner would shave off so much of Embiid’s responsibility

And they are a lottery team and haven't won a playoff game since 2018 when Sabonis was still coming off the bench.

Ibaka came off the bench for the Raptors. If you're bringing him in to back up Harris and Embiid maybe that makes sense but this doesn't make sense to me.

Well good luck to you in trying to get this team even close to being semi competent when playoffs comes around.

If you can’t see Turner would be great for this team I don’t know what to tell you. I mean how is Turner for Harris not a big positive outcome. It’s not like Harris is getting paid 38/40 next two years.. that shuts the door of any slim chance we have (yes the chances are slim).

Because Harris is better at basketball than Turner and he doesn't play the same position as our best player.

[Sixerscan]

People think Myles Turner is good?

Isn’t the whole reason he’s upset with the Pacers that he doesn’t want to play with another center?

Id be shocked if Tobias got traded this year. Not sure why people think it’s going to happen.

1) Yes.

2) No.

3) It's not like anything we say or do on here has any bearing on the landscape of the NBA. We're just fans on a forum simulating how we'd alter this roster if handed the Daryl Morey experience. A Tobias trade is the perfect place to begin. He's an overpaid cyst.

Maybe he didn't literally say the thing about the center but what he said seems to me like he's sick of standing in the corner for spacing while Sabonis is the focal point of the offense. Which would presumably still happen in a lineup with Embiid just like it happened with Horford.

[DCasey91]

Harris is definitely better than Turner especially if we're talking about playing him at the 4 most of the time.

Turner is better than Harris. Turner at 18 and Harris at 38 and it’s not even close to being close.

Slow leaky PF’s have minimal impact today. It’s like people have never watched Turner play dude is pretty underrated for what he does. He legit plays with a way better offensively leaky PF too. And look at the results lol. Now switch it to a far superior two way player in Embiid I’ll bet ya the upside is legit great. I mean Kings have Holmes whose a glorified PF playing at center and they all give up points from guard to wings all the way down. Pacers are in the top ten defensive rating with small wings and a leaky PF, I wonder who is doing most of defensive workload here?

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

If you're frustrated with Harris wait until you get ahold of one of Turner's 5 point nights. He's a great rim protector (weird main attribute to want for a starting 4?) otherwise a pretty limited player. He's a good shooter, but again, in the context of being a 5, like his 39% is more like how Horford would shoot 39% as opposed to Harris getting there by creating shots. And he shot 33% from 3 last year. I'm sort of lost here.

Is it possible that Turner is a worse fit here than Harris? You make good points about attributes for a starting 4, but if Turner is an elite rim protector and can shoot 3's anywhere above 35%, right there I'll take him over Tobias, who has exactly zero elite skills other than filling up a stat sheet.

People say Harris is a bad fit here like it's a given and I don't get that at all. His literal skills are a great fit with Embiid and while he was playing Simmons. If anything it's the exact opposite, his issue is just that he's not an elite talent which is how he is being paid. If he was making $25 million or whatever no one would be complaining about him.

I agree with this as well. I don't know why Tobias catches the flack he does on here. He is what he is, but he's far from the problem right now. He's not the answer either, but he's not a detriment to this team nor is a player I want to see traded. I like him for what he does.

[DCasey91]

And they are a lottery team and haven't won a playoff game since 2018 when Sabonis was still coming off the bench.

Ibaka came off the bench for the Raptors. If you're bringing him in to back up Harris and Embiid maybe that makes sense but this doesn't make sense to me.

Well good luck to you in trying to get this team even close to being semi competent when playoffs comes around.

If you can’t see Turner would be great for this team I don’t know what to tell you. I mean how is Turner for Harris not a big positive outcome. It’s not like Harris is getting paid 38/40 next two years.. that shuts the door of any slim chance we have (yes the chances are slim).

Because Harris is better at basketball than Turner and he doesn't play the same position as our best player.

He’s better at being a conman. Turner is a better basketball player because his impact and value is higher even before even taking into consideration salary.

I still remember Tobithus getting the ball in the post on a smaller guy and dribbling it backwards wacko jacko moonwalk style onto the wing stop and pass it to someone else with 7 on the shot clock... that was in the playoffs against the Hawks. I reckon he needs 80+ dribbles to score 20 lol. What is way worse than Carmelo is a worse version of Carmelo

I wanted Gallo over this conman.

[DCasey91]

Is it possible that Turner is a worse fit here than Harris? You make good points about attributes for a starting 4, but if Turner is an elite rim protector and can shoot 3's anywhere above 35%, right there I'll take him over Tobias, who has exactly zero elite skills other than filling up a stat sheet.

People say Harris is a bad fit here like it's a given and I don't get that at all. His literal skills are a great fit with Embiid and while he was playing Simmons. If anything it's the exact opposite, his issue is just that he's not an elite talent which is how he is being paid. If he was making $25 million or whatever no one would be complaining about him.

I agree with this as well. I don't know why Tobias catches the flack he does on here. He is what he is, but he's far from the problem right now. He's not the answer either, but he's not a detriment to this team nor is a player I want to see traded. I like him for what he does.

How do posters not see the glaringly obvious here. Harris has and always been the biggest problem since day dot. The contract kills any slim chance of winning. Not a second option and not near enough on dynamics to be a third.

We just saw once he came back went back to being a ball stopper once again. Dude is kind of a selfish player when you watch him close enough. He’s like the Doc Rivers of scoring lol. Everything has to go right or it becomes shakey. I’ve never seen anyone score 28 and have literally no bearing on the outcome of a game.

Dude would go top 3 in the league if you want a tank commander. Durable, scores 20 on 15+ shots doesn’t get to the line with no real winning impact. Perfect

[Bum Adebayo]

Tobias is game outdated 3pt spamming is Embiid needs not with primadonnas that cannot dunk or shoot the bad spacing