The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

[76ciology]

I'm just talking in the context of getting Ben/Joel actually being able to function together.

The closest thing I can see is that DMC-AD PnR near the paint where if the opponents switch, DMC would throw it at the air for lob for AD. And if the opponents dont switch, DMC would have a step advantage for a drive.

Here’s the thing.. biid is not a good roll man, ben is not a good PnR ball handler.

[TheBallsDeeper]

The pickandroll is the ultimate unifyer. Even for guys who don't typically fit together.

If one guy can handle the ball, and the other can roll to the basket catch and finish, they can make some nice things happen.

It's a travesty that we're not working on developing a 2-man game between our biggest pieces.

Pick and Roll will not work with Ben Simmons.

Pick and Roll works best when the player setting the screen causes a defensive switch because the player guarding the ball handler can't fight through the screen - the defenders need to switch so the ball handler is not left free for the open shot, leaving the roll player rolling to the basket with a much smaller player, and the ball handler with a slower player. It doesn't work when the ball handlers defender is able to sag 6 feet off him and is no chance of shooting the ball.

[PhillyPhilly]

So I was thinking about Ben not shooting yet and honestly IF I was Brown I would tell Ben I want to see FOUR jumpers per game from here on. At least one per quarter and it can be from anywhere he wants. Inside or outside the paint, from three etc. This way he could develop Ben's shot and not sacrifice too many possessions if the game is close. Then if he starts hitting two or more out of the four attempts regularly then we could increase the amount he takes per game until it becomes second nature. I just think Brown needs to dictate terms now and put in a system that Ben can follow..because right now I just think he's back into the same old rhythm we've seen for the last two years...takes jumpers before the game and then acts like he doesn't know what a jumper is during the game. Something has to change now or we will suffer the consequences come playoff time, trust me. IF Ben cannot change under Brown's guidance then something will have go give imo.

[TheBallsDeeper]

So I was thinking about Ben not shooting yet and honestly IF I was Brown I would tell Ben I want to see FOUR jumpers per game from here on. At least one per quarter and it can be from anywhere he wants. Inside or outside the paint, from three etc. This way he could develop Ben's shot and not sacrifice too many possessions if the game is close. Then if he starts hitting two or more out of the four attempts regularly then we could increase the amount he takes per game until it becomes second nature. I just think Brown needs to dictate terms now and put in a system that Ben can follow..because right now I just think he's back into the same old rhythm we've seen for the last two years...takes jumpers before the game and then acts like he doesn't know what a jumper is during the game. Something has to change now or we will suffer the consequences come playoff time, trust me. IF Ben cannot change under Brown's guidance then something will have go give imo.

No use shoot jumpers when he can barely make a layup with his left hand. He hardly even attempts left-handed layups, he normally has to twist and contort to use his right from that side, making it much easier to block. I actually don't think I have seen an NBA player so poor at finishing with their off-hand, let alone what they consider their preferred one.

Yesterday he missed two uncontested jumpers from around 4ft, directly in front. Until he changes hands for shooting jump shots he should not shoot, it's a wasted possession.

[PhillyPhilly]

So I was thinking about Ben not shooting yet and honestly IF I was Brown I would tell Ben I want to see FOUR jumpers per game from here on. At least one per quarter and it can be from anywhere he wants. Inside or outside the paint, from three etc. This way he could develop Ben's shot and not sacrifice too many possessions if the game is close. Then if he starts hitting two or more out of the four attempts regularly then we could increase the amount he takes per game until it becomes second nature. I just think Brown needs to dictate terms now and put in a system that Ben can follow..because right now I just think he's back into the same old rhythm we've seen for the last two years...takes jumpers before the game and then acts like he doesn't know what a jumper is during the game. Something has to change now or we will suffer the consequences come playoff time, trust me. IF Ben cannot change under Brown's guidance then something will have go give imo.

No use shoot jumpers when he can barely make a layup with his left hand. He hardly even attempts left-handed layups, he normally has to twist and contort to use his right from that side, making it much easier to block. I actually don't think I have seen an NBA player so poor at finishing with their off-hand, let alone what they consider their preferred one.

Yesterday he missed two uncontested jumpers from around 4ft, directly in front. Until he changes hands for shooting jump shots he should not shoot, it's a wasted possession.

In his rookie season he was hitting mid range jumpers left handed with no problem. So he's proven he can do it and it's just a matter of getting him back to those habits.

[TheBallsDeeper]

So I was thinking about Ben not shooting yet and honestly IF I was Brown I would tell Ben I want to see FOUR jumpers per game from here on. At least one per quarter and it can be from anywhere he wants. Inside or outside the paint, from three etc. This way he could develop Ben's shot and not sacrifice too many possessions if the game is close. Then if he starts hitting two or more out of the four attempts regularly then we could increase the amount he takes per game until it becomes second nature. I just think Brown needs to dictate terms now and put in a system that Ben can follow..because right now I just think he's back into the same old rhythm we've seen for the last two years...takes jumpers before the game and then acts like he doesn't know what a jumper is during the game. Something has to change now or we will suffer the consequences come playoff time, trust me. IF Ben cannot change under Brown's guidance then something will have go give imo.

No use shoot jumpers when he can barely make a layup with his left hand. He hardly even attempts left-handed layups, he normally has to twist and contort to use his right from that side, making it much easier to block. I actually don't think I have seen an NBA player so poor at finishing with their off-hand, let alone what they consider their preferred one.

Yesterday he missed two uncontested jumpers from around 4ft, directly in front. Until he changes hands for shooting jump shots he should not shoot, it's a wasted possession.

In his rookie season he was hitting mid range jumpers left handed with no problem. So he's proven he can do it and it's just a matter of getting him back to those habits.

I would hardly describe his rookie season as hitting mid range jumpers left handed with no problem. He was a terrible shooter in his first year, the fact that he has gone backwards from such a low base is extremely surprising, but is giving rose colored glasses to those that want to believe in him.

[PhillyPhilly]

No use shoot jumpers when he can barely make a layup with his left hand. He hardly even attempts left-handed layups, he normally has to twist and contort to use his right from that side, making it much easier to block. I actually don't think I have seen an NBA player so poor at finishing with their off-hand, let alone what they consider their preferred one.

Yesterday he missed two uncontested jumpers from around 4ft, directly in front. Until he changes hands for shooting jump shots he should not shoot, it's a wasted possession.

In his rookie season he was hitting mid range jumpers left handed with no problem. So he's proven he can do it and it's just a matter of getting him back to those habits.

I would hardly describe his rookie season as hitting mid range jumpers left handed with no problem. He was a terrible shooter in his first year, the fact that he has gone backwards from such a low base is extremely surprising, but is giving rose colored glasses to those that want to believe in him.

No-one said he was a great shooter. I said he was taking and hitting jumpers on the regular in his rookie year and getting back to that is what's needed and then he can build from there. If he's not comfortable shooting lefty this year then a change to his right should be seriously considered but I argued for this In the offseason and he still didn't change so there's no use beating a dead horse tbh.

[TheBallsDeeper]

In his rookie season he was hitting mid range jumpers left handed with no problem. So he's proven he can do it and it's just a matter of getting him back to those habits.

I would hardly describe his rookie season as hitting mid range jumpers left handed with no problem. He was a terrible shooter in his first year, the fact that he has gone backwards from such a low base is extremely surprising, but is giving rose colored glasses to those that want to believe in him.

No-one said he was a great shooter. I said he was taking and hitting jumpers on the regular in his rookie year and getting back to that is what's needed and then he can build from there. If he's not comfortable shooting lefty this year then a change to his right should be seriously considered but I argued for this In the offseason and he still didn't change so there's no use beating a dead horse tbh.

I don't want to seem argumentative, but you said "In his rookie season he was hitting mid range jumpers left handed with no problem". That was not the case. his rookie season was historically bad for shooting, he was not hitting them no problem, there was a massive problem.

Have you ever seen an NBA player unable to hit layups with his left hand, even if he is right handed? Simmons seems to be the most right side dominant player that I have seen, yet he still shoots left? He is either uncoachable, has poor coaches, or most likely both, and it's going to cost the Sixers a title.

Edit - I don't want to seem like I'm just a hater. I have been a huge Ben Simons fan for ten years. I watched his Dad play basketball live for the Melbourne Tigers, I have a friend who was a PE teacher at Box Hill High School when he was there, so I heard about him from a very young age. I believe that he can be the best player in the league, but until he changes shooting hands he is holding the whole team back.

[76ciology]

Let’s say Ben is shooting it like Kris Dunn or MCW, would you still ask him to shoot? Wouldnt he just hurt our offense by doing so?

[MVP1992]

... but I argued for this In the offseason and he still didn't change so there's no use beating a dead horse tbh.

How did that conversation go, with Ben?

[Wilfried]

I don't know what the harm would be if we are up 20 points or so and he tries one from time to time.

Disappointed up till now that he's still not showing any indication of expanding his range.

But still a good player.

I always think that one day, a trade of Lillard - Simmons is going to happen.

[VDT]

People are still in denial here.

Most probably the reason he is not shooting in games is that he is shooting bad in practice which is where you learn to shoot.

In view of that, forcing him to shoot in the game will not help him in some way. It will just mean more lost possessions for the team. If anything he should stop shooting these turnaround 2s that he is shooting because they are bad shots even for a good shooter.

Any improvement, i think, will be very slow and will have to include a change of his form. In any case i doubt he becomes a natural shooter, able to shoot from everywhere. I would be happy if he could get his fts to 70-75 per cent and, with time, be able to hit some corner 3s.

Trying to change hands could mean that for some years he could be worse than now even if he is using the correct hand. There is also no guarantee how good he would become and how long it will take.

[SixthStreet]

The way he’s shooting FTs, he doesn’t need to be shooting jumpers in games. He does need to raise his off ball activity to alleviate spacing issues for the scorers.

[ivysixer2000]

The way he’s shooting FTs, he doesn’t need to be shooting jumpers in games. He does need to raise his off ball activity to alleviate spacing issues for the scorers.

Sad and awfully true.

As much as I would like to see him shoot some jumpers, his FTs look awful.

What exactly did he work on this summer again?

[kio80]

The way he’s shooting FTs, he doesn’t need to be shooting jumpers in games. He does need to raise his off ball activity to alleviate spacing issues for the scorers.

Sad and awfully true.

As much as I would like to see him shoot some jumpers, his FTs look awful.

What exactly did he work on this summer again?

True, I was surprised how bad his free throws were.
That was actually the only area I was hoping for an improvement. Mid range, 3 points etc, don’t really care about those, it’s all about the free throws.


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[Ericb5]

He has/had so many distinct problems with his form that he may have to address them individually.

1. His left elbow flairs out too far.
2. He shoots on the way down
3. He often lands on one foot
4. He doesn't go vertically up and down
5. He kicks his legs out

Part of his problem is simply mentality. He shoots as a last resort, and therefore his shot selection is one of desperation with a high degree of difficulty.

Those fadeaways that he is shooting are because he is forced to shoot, and decides late. What I want to see from him are deliberate straight up jump shots where he steps into it and goes straight up and down. Whether that is in the PnR when the defender goes under the screen, or when a defender faces him up, but gives him a few feet of space. He has to be willing to throw up a brick in those situations as a worst case scenario.

Brown should deliberately call plays to get him open jump shots as a way of prodding him into getting the repetition.

For me, there are two indicators of progress so far.

1. The elbow looks better to me.
2. He hasn't had any situations yet where he passed up an obvious open jump shot.

[shlo]

I have little confidence that he'll ever improve his shooting, free throw shooting, or willing ness to be more aggressive around the basket. I think we're going to see his deficiencies rear their ugly head every year come playoff time. Great in transition, but liability in a half court game.

[76ciology]

The way he’s shooting FTs, he doesn’t need to be shooting jumpers in games. He does need to raise his off ball activity to alleviate spacing issues for the scorers.

Sad and awfully true.

As much as I would like to see him shoot some jumpers, his FTs look awful.

What exactly did he work on this summer again?

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[sodmoraes]

Sadly i think simmons is close to his ceiling. If we signed kemba walker we would have a bigger chance to win a championship....Simmons will never be even a mediocre shooter. He will always be a liability in the playoffs.

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[PhillyPhilly]

I would hardly describe his rookie season as hitting mid range jumpers left handed with no problem. He was a terrible shooter in his first year, the fact that he has gone backwards from such a low base is extremely surprising, but is giving rose colored glasses to those that want to believe in him.

No-one said he was a great shooter. I said he was taking and hitting jumpers on the regular in his rookie year and getting back to that is what's needed and then he can build from there. If he's not comfortable shooting lefty this year then a change to his right should be seriously considered but I argued for this In the offseason and he still didn't change so there's no use beating a dead horse tbh.

I don't want to seem argumentative, but you said "In his rookie season he was hitting mid range jumpers left handed with no problem". That was not the case. his rookie season was historically bad for shooting, he was not hitting them no problem, there was a massive problem.

Have you ever seen an NBA player unable to hit layups with his left hand, even if he is right handed? Simmons seems to be the most right side dominant player that I have seen, yet he still shoots left? He is either uncoachable, has poor coaches, or most likely both, and it's going to cost the Sixers a title.

Edit - I don't want to seem like I'm just a hater. I have been a huge Ben Simons fan for ten years. I watched his Dad play basketball live for the Melbourne Tigers, I have a friend who was a PE teacher at Box Hill High School when he was there, so I heard about him from a very young age. I believe that he can be the best player in the league, but until he changes shooting hands he is holding the whole team back.

Oh it wasn't? SO WHO IS THIS then? Some kind of Ben Simmons "stunt double"? SMH!!!

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