Around the League: 2020 Offseason

[Kobblehead]

Coming off the bubble performance, I thought Tatum would take a leap as a creator and be a guy that can run an offense. But now he's right back to being Wiggins with a jumper.

[76ciology]

I dont know why Jaylen and Tatum can’t be used like how Doc used PG and Kawhi by letting them run more pick and rolls.

Not good enough ball handlers to trust in shotcreating roles. At least not yet. Stevens has shown he will turn the offense over if he has a ball handler he feels good about (Irving, Rozier, Thomas, Walker, etc).

Apparently, Stevens doesn't think much of Tatum/Brown.

It's not just a positional thing, either, because Stevens trusted Evan Turner to run pick and rolls and create his own offense in his system. Not Tatum or Brown, though. Pretty telling.

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I just looked at the numbers. So Tatum run a lot of PnR this season, like a quarter of his possessions. He’s just not that good. Like more of Tobias points per possession running the pick and roll but with more volume.

[76ciology]

Coming off the bubble performance, I thought Tatum would take a leap as a creator and be a guy that can run an offense. But now he's right back to being Wiggins with a jumper.

Wiggins and Tatum has that Melo mentality I’d like to call where they lean towards “shoot” on every opportunity that leads them to not see possessions where the best option was to pass. So you can’t run an offense around them.

[KramerDSP]

Coming off the bubble performance, I thought Tatum would take a leap as a creator and be a guy that can run an offense. But now he's right back to being Wiggins with a jumper.

Wiggins and Tatum has that Melo mentality I’d like to call where they lean towards “shoot” on every opportunity that leads them to not see possessions where the best option was to pass. So you can’t run an offense around them.

Wasn’t Tatum the last prominent player to work with Kobe? I feel like once we heard these stories of him working with Kobe, he definitely started to carry himself a bit differently on the court.

[Kobblehead]

I just looked at the numbers. So Tatum run a lot of PnR this season, like a quarter of his possessions. He’s just not that good. Like more of Tobias points per possession running the pick and roll but with more volume.

Tatum's are fake pick and rolls, though. He just pulls up from three on the other side of the screen and it counts as a pick and roll possession. He never puts any pressure on opposing defenses by attacking inside the arc. Jordan Clarkson puts more pressure on NBA defenses than Jayson Tatum. Tatum just heaps up a bunch of long range jumpers.

[Kobblehead]

Coming off the bubble performance, I thought Tatum would take a leap as a creator and be a guy that can run an offense. But now he's right back to being Wiggins with a jumper.

Wiggins and Tatum has that Melo mentality I’d like to call where they lean towards “shoot” on every opportunity that leads them to not see possessions where the best option was to pass. So you can’t run an offense around them.

Even if he doesn't learn how to pass, at least be aggressive enough to attack. Which is what Knick Melo did that made him so scary. Right now Tatum is either having offense run for him or pulling up on the other side of a screen for three. There's no attack mode from him.

Watch video of Brandon Ingram and then watch video of Jayson Tatum. Ingram is just infinitely more scary to deal with.

[76ciology]

I just looked at the numbers. So Tatum run a lot of PnR this season, like a quarter of his possessions. He’s just not that good. Like more of Tobias points per possession running the pick and roll but with more volume.

Tatum's are fake pick and rolls, though. He just pulls up from three on the other side of the screen and it counts as a pick and roll possession. He never puts any pressure on opposing defenses by attacking inside the arc. Jordan Clarkson puts more pressure on NBA defenses than Jayson Tatum. Tatum just heaps up a bunch of long range jumpers.

Hahaha you’re right there. Thats a good description for his pick and rolls

[76ciology]

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RIP. He had his good years as a coach.

[LloydFree]

Coming off the bubble performance, I thought Tatum would take a leap as a creator and be a guy that can run an offense. But now he's right back to being Wiggins with a jumper.

"With a jumper... and defense... and body control... and ability to finish in traffic...

[Sixerscan]

Coming off the bubble performance, I thought Tatum would take a leap as a creator and be a guy that can run an offense. But now he's right back to being Wiggins with a jumper.

"With a jumper... and defense... and body control... and ability to finish in traffic...

Lol yeah but besides that...

Clearly the plan wasn't for it to be "Jay Island" up there, Kemba is hurt and Hayward walked. Does beg the question though if Ainge is finally going to get off his butt and make a move though. Let all those post-Nets picks turn into pretty underwhelming results. They really need to turn that Hayward trade exception into something.

[Kobblehead]

Coming off the bubble performance, I thought Tatum would take a leap as a creator and be a guy that can run an offense. But now he's right back to being Wiggins with a jumper.

"With a jumper... and defense... and body control... and ability to finish in traffic...

On what, the 21% of his FGA that he even attempts at the rim?

Let's not forget his pathetic .16 free throw rate.

Tatum is extremely overrated.

[Kobblehead]

Coming off the bubble performance, I thought Tatum would take a leap as a creator and be a guy that can run an offense. But now he's right back to being Wiggins with a jumper.

"With a jumper... and defense... and body control... and ability to finish in traffic...

Lol yeah but besides that...

Clearly the plan wasn't for it to be "Jay Island" up there, Kemba is hurt and Hayward walked. Does beg the question though if Ainge is finally going to get off his butt and make a move though. Let all those post-Nets picks turn into pretty underwhelming results. They really need to turn that Hayward trade exception into something.

Why not? That's how stars are supposed to impact the game. By scoring a bunch of unassisted buckets, putting pressure on the defense by dribbling inside the arc and getting to the free throw line.

If your scoring is reduced to having a ton of plays that end up in you taking an assisted shot or you pulling up from three on the other side of a screen, you're not really having a star impact.

[Sixerscan]

"With a jumper... and defense... and body control... and ability to finish in traffic...

Lol yeah but besides that...

Clearly the plan wasn't for it to be "Jay Island" up there, Kemba is hurt and Hayward walked. Does beg the question though if Ainge is finally going to get off his butt and make a move though. Let all those post-Nets picks turn into pretty underwhelming results. They really need to turn that Hayward trade exception into something.

Why not? That's how stars are supposed to impact the game. By scoring a bunch of unassisted buckets, putting pressure on the defense by dribbling inside the arc and getting to the free throw line.

If your scoring is reduced to having a ton of plays that end up in you taking an assisted shot or you pulling up from three on the other side of a screen, you're not really having a star impact.

I explain why not in the rest of that sentence, they didn't build this team under the assumption Kemba would be hurt and Hayward would walk for nothing. They've had some bad luck and are in scramble mode.

[Sixerscan]

There really isn't any more Wizards result than Wall looking awesome and meanwhile they can't buy a win with Westbrook.

[LloydFree]

Lol yeah but besides that...

Clearly the plan wasn't for it to be "Jay Island" up there, Kemba is hurt and Hayward walked. Does beg the question though if Ainge is finally going to get off his butt and make a move though. Let all those post-Nets picks turn into pretty underwhelming results. They really need to turn that Hayward trade exception into something.

Why not? That's how stars are supposed to impact the game. By scoring a bunch of unassisted buckets, putting pressure on the defense by dribbling inside the arc and getting to the free throw line.

If your scoring is reduced to having a ton of plays that end up in you taking an assisted shot or you pulling up from three on the other side of a screen, you're not really having a star impact.

I explain why not in the rest of that sentence, they didn't build this team under the assumption Kemba would be hurt and Hayward would walk for nothing. They've had some bad luck and are in scramble mode.

Some of that bad luck is self inflicted. The Celtics had six (6) 1st round picks the last two years to help fill out the roster. Out of all of that, the best player they got was Peyton Pritchard. Ainge's last two drafts are making Bryan Colangelo look competent.

[Kobblehead]

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[Kobblehead]

I explain why not in the rest of that sentence, they didn't build this team under the assumption Kemba would be hurt and Hayward would walk for nothing. They've had some bad luck and are in scramble mode.

Why does their vision or original plan for their team matter?

Ef their plan, look at the hype and money Tatum and Brown are set to make. If Tatum and/or Brown are as good as everyone says they are, one or both of them should be able to carry the offense and impact the game like a star offensive player. Instead, neither has escaped being a pseudo-creator and the Celtics offense and team record is middling.

[Sixerscan]

I explain why not in the rest of that sentence, they didn't build this team under the assumption Kemba would be hurt and Hayward would walk for nothing. They've had some bad luck and are in scramble mode.

Why does their vision or original plan for their team matter?

Ef their plan, look at the hype and money Tatum and Brown are set to make. If Tatum and/or Brown are as good as everyone says they are, one or both of them should be able to carry the offense and impact the game like a star offensive player. Instead, neither has escaped being a pseudo-creator and the Celtics offense and team record is middling.

Because they had a top 4 offense with Kemba and Hayward last year...

I'm not gonna defend whatever hype you're seeing go talk to whoever is doing that.

[Sixerscan]

Why not? That's how stars are supposed to impact the game. By scoring a bunch of unassisted buckets, putting pressure on the defense by dribbling inside the arc and getting to the free throw line.

If your scoring is reduced to having a ton of plays that end up in you taking an assisted shot or you pulling up from three on the other side of a screen, you're not really having a star impact.

I explain why not in the rest of that sentence, they didn't build this team under the assumption Kemba would be hurt and Hayward would walk for nothing. They've had some bad luck and are in scramble mode.

Some of that bad luck is self inflicted. The Celtics had six (6) 1st round picks the last two years to help fill out the roster. Out of all of that, the best player they got was Peyton Pritchard. Ainge's last two drafts are making Bryan Colangelo look competent.

For sure.

[Kobblehead]

Lol at an excuse for Tatum and Brown not being able to score like stars being "we expected Kemba to be here man"