Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[sixers4real]

Bielica and Hield for thybulle, green, Ferguson, Bradley, Scott.

Shooting, scoring and a stretch 5.

And still no shot creator and I’m giving up our 2nd and 3rd best wing defender

[the_process]

DEN gets D.Green and Ferguson
OKC gets Scott, G.Harris, DEN 2023 2nd, and protection removed on PHI 2025 owed 1st
PHI gets Hill, Muscala, and Ariza

Hill/Maxey
Curry/Milton/Joe/Tucker*
Simmons/Thybulle/Korkmaz/Ariza
Harris/Muscala/Reed*
Embiid/Howard/Bradley/Poirier

[Stanford]

Bielica and Hield for thybulle, green, Ferguson, Bradley, Scott.

Shooting, scoring and a stretch 5.

And still no shot creator and I’m giving up our 2nd and 3rd best wing defender

Take on a brutal contract too

[51X3RF4N]

Is it time to consider trading Tobias?

Yes, he's playing at an All Star level. Yes, his history with Doc as a coach makes it seem like this will be the new normal for him. Yes, when he plays this way he is a great fit with Embiid and Simmons.

BUT...he is still owed a massive contract. He is still not a shot creator or true perimeter threat. He could still revert back to his old habits from last year, including his horrid playoffs.

What if his value is at an all time high right now?

Would Daryl consider a move, and would Doc approve?

What are some likely targets?

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[HardenToSixers]

Is it time to consider trading Tobias?

Yes, he's playing at an All Star level. Yes, his history with Doc as a coach makes it seem like this will be the new normal for him. Yes, when he plays this way he is a great fit with Embiid and Simmons.

BUT...he is still owed a massive contract. He is still not a shot creator or true perimeter threat. He could still revert back to his old habits from last year, including his horrid playoffs.

What if his value is at an all time high right now?

Would Daryl consider a move, and would Doc approve?

What are some likely targets?

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I don't think it's very controversial at all that we should trade Tobias if his value has rehabbed that much to be seen as positive. But I am skeptical of that. The only downside to the move would be if we're just gaining cap flexibility to not be paying luxury tax and losing a rotational piece but not replacing it with other production. That being said, it would probably give Morey a lot more space to build a stronger team next year.

[76ciology]

Is it time to consider trading Tobias?

Yes, he's playing at an All Star level. Yes, his history with Doc as a coach makes it seem like this will be the new normal for him. Yes, when he plays this way he is a great fit with Embiid and Simmons.

BUT...he is still owed a massive contract. He is still not a shot creator or true perimeter threat. He could still revert back to his old habits from last year, including his horrid playoffs.

What if his value is at an all time high right now?

Would Daryl consider a move, and would Doc approve?

What are some likely targets?

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For the right package, yes.

Let’s say you can get expiring and picks for him.

That would really cripple our team on crunch time and short term. Because he is the only reliable scorer on our team after Embiid.

But if I can get Bradley Beal for him, that is a trade that would make more sense

[51X3RF4N]

Is it time to consider trading Tobias?

Yes, he's playing at an All Star level. Yes, his history with Doc as a coach makes it seem like this will be the new normal for him. Yes, when he plays this way he is a great fit with Embiid and Simmons.

BUT...he is still owed a massive contract. He is still not a shot creator or true perimeter threat. He could still revert back to his old habits from last year, including his horrid playoffs.

What if his value is at an all time high right now?

Would Daryl consider a move, and would Doc approve?

What are some likely targets?

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For the right package, yes.

Let’s say you can get expiring and picks for him.

That would really cripple our team on crunch time and short term. Because he is the only reliable scorer on our team after Embiid.

But if I can get Bradley Beal for him, that is a trade that would make more sense

Ok so let's say you can get Otto Porter Jr for Tobias, in theory as the main piece of a deal.

Totally clear Tobias from the books.

With only Embiid/Simmons/Curry/Thybulle/Maxey/Milton/Joe what salary number are we able to offer to free agents?

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[76ciology]

Is it time to consider trading Tobias?

Yes, he's playing at an All Star level. Yes, his history with Doc as a coach makes it seem like this will be the new normal for him. Yes, when he plays this way he is a great fit with Embiid and Simmons.

BUT...he is still owed a massive contract. He is still not a shot creator or true perimeter threat. He could still revert back to his old habits from last year, including his horrid playoffs.

What if his value is at an all time high right now?

Would Daryl consider a move, and would Doc approve?

What are some likely targets?

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For the right package, yes.

Let’s say you can get expiring and picks for him.

That would really cripple our team on crunch time and short term. Because he is the only reliable scorer on our team after Embiid.

But if I can get Bradley Beal for him, that is a trade that would make more sense

Ok so let's say you can get Otto Porter Jr for Tobias, in theory as the main piece of a deal.

Totally clear Tobias from the books.

With only Embiid/Simmons/Curry/Thybulle/Maxey/Milton/Joe what salary number are we able to offer to free agents?

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Cap space has little value to a team like ours, because the big FAs dont really consider playing for us. Cap space is just beneficial to our owner.

Anyways, the only reason I’d be open to trade Tobi for Porter is if we can somehow end up with a player who can carry the team if Biid is out. With or without trading Ben.

Until then, you need the collective scoring powers of Tobi, Shake, Seth and Ben. And you would just put yourself in a bad position right now and very possibly in the future by simply just trading Tobi for Porter.

If you look at the numbers, Tobi is the clear number 2 option in crunch time after Biid. It looks bleak after Tobi.

You’d be surprised on how valuable Tobi is to our team. I’d say our team values Tobi more than other team would value Tobi. But I dont think I can say the same thing with Ben. Last time i checked, our team plays best when Tobi is on the court and the worst when he’s off the court. IT HAS COME TO THAT POINT

The team would suffer more if you trade Tobi for Porter than if you trade Ben for Porter.

[youngcrev]

Is it time to consider trading Tobias?

Yes, he's playing at an All Star level. Yes, his history with Doc as a coach makes it seem like this will be the new normal for him. Yes, when he plays this way he is a great fit with Embiid and Simmons.

BUT...he is still owed a massive contract. He is still not a shot creator or true perimeter threat. He could still revert back to his old habits from last year, including his horrid playoffs.

What if his value is at an all time high right now?

Would Daryl consider a move, and would Doc approve?

What are some likely targets?

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For the right package, yes.

Let’s say you can get expiring and picks for him.

That would really cripple our team on crunch time and short term. Because he is the only reliable scorer on our team after Embiid.

But if I can get Bradley Beal for him, that is a trade that would make more sense

Ok so let's say you can get Otto Porter Jr for Tobias, in theory as the main piece of a deal.

Totally clear Tobias from the books.

With only Embiid/Simmons/Curry/Thybulle/Maxey/Milton/Joe what salary number are we able to offer to free agents?

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You'd have around 80M in salary committed for those 7 guy, and then minimum salary cap holds on top of that (like 5M or so). Projected cap is 112. So mid-to-high 20s is what you could offer. Might be enough to get you a Tobias Harris level player...

If a true max guy would be willing to come you probably move Curry somewhere

[mithrandir17]

Derick Rose for Horford's TPE + NYK 21 second round pick top 40 protected. If NYK's 2nd round pick falls within top 40, DET then gets PHI's own 2021 second round pick.

[PhillyNj]

Derick Rose for Horford's TPE + NYK 21 second round pick top 40 protected. If NYK's 2nd round pick falls within top 40, DET then gets PHI's own 2021 second round pick.

I like this trade for the Sixers. Our backup point guard sucks. Rose would be a Hugh upgrade for a playoff run.

[HotelVitale]

Derick Rose for Horford's TPE + NYK 21 second round pick top 40 protected. If NYK's 2nd round pick falls within top 40, DET then gets PHI's own 2021 second round pick.

I like this trade for the Sixers. Our backup point guard sucks. Rose would be a Hugh upgrade for a playoff run.

? Our backup PG is Shake, and he's been great. Maxey plays a few minutes there too, probably won't in PO.

[51X3RF4N]

For the right package, yes.

Let’s say you can get expiring and picks for him.

That would really cripple our team on crunch time and short term. Because he is the only reliable scorer on our team after Embiid.

But if I can get Bradley Beal for him, that is a trade that would make more sense

Ok so let's say you can get Otto Porter Jr for Tobias, in theory as the main piece of a deal.

Totally clear Tobias from the books.

With only Embiid/Simmons/Curry/Thybulle/Maxey/Milton/Joe what salary number are we able to offer to free agents?

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You'd have around 80M in salary committed for those 7 guy, and then minimum salary cap holds on top of that (like 5M or so). Projected cap is 112. So mid-to-high 20s is what you could offer. Might be enough to get you a Tobias Harris level player...

If a true max guy would be willing to come you probably move Curry somewhere

See...this is interesting to me.

Morey didn't give Tobias that contract.

Morey is not known to be loyal to his players, the way Doc has been. This could be interesting in terms of Morey vs Doc for who ultimately has the final say.

Embiid is an MVP level big. Simmons is a DPOY level player. An elite perimeter creator/scoring threat is the 3rd piece needed for this team to be true title contenders.

But you can't get that type of guy if you have Tobias on the roster with his salary.

And you won't likely find a Tobias trade that makes sense.

But 2021 free agency has the potential of:

Kawhi, CP3, Lowry, Oladipo, Jrue

That's the likely top 5 targets for the Sixers.

How did Kawhi feel about his time with Doc? Would he like to play with Ben and Joel? Is he already fed up in LA? Chances are, Kawhi will NOT be an option for the Sixers.

CP3 will be 36 and isn't really what the Sixers need from a perimeter scoring option.

Lowry makes some sense, but Sixers would still lack a clutch go-to guy.

Jrue makes sense too, but similar to Lowry, who takes the big 3pt shot when needed?

Oladipo is damn near perfect but has eyes for Miami.

So if you don't think you can land any of the big FA names...is it even worth trading Tobias for an expiring??

Or...can you use that $27M to grab 3 role player types to put around Joel and Ben??

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[Rastas]

Tobi for CJ

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[76ciology]

Ok so let's say you can get Otto Porter Jr for Tobias, in theory as the main piece of a deal.

Totally clear Tobias from the books.

With only Embiid/Simmons/Curry/Thybulle/Maxey/Milton/Joe what salary number are we able to offer to free agents?

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You'd have around 80M in salary committed for those 7 guy, and then minimum salary cap holds on top of that (like 5M or so). Projected cap is 112. So mid-to-high 20s is what you could offer. Might be enough to get you a Tobias Harris level player...

If a true max guy would be willing to come you probably move Curry somewhere

See...this is interesting to me.

Morey didn't give Tobias that contract.

Morey is not known to be loyal to his players, the way Doc has been. This could be interesting in terms of Morey vs Doc for who ultimately has the final say.

Embiid is an MVP level big. Simmons is a DPOY level player. An elite perimeter creator/scoring threat is the 3rd piece needed for this team to be true title contenders.

But you can't get that type of guy if you have Tobias on the roster with his salary.

And you won't likely find a Tobias trade that makes sense.

But 2021 free agency has the potential of:

Kawhi, CP3, Lowry, Oladipo, Jrue

That's the likely top 5 targets for the Sixers.

How did Kawhi feel about his time with Doc? Would he like to play with Ben and Joel? Is he already fed up in LA? Chances are, Kawhi will NOT be an option for the Sixers.

CP3 will be 36 and isn't really what the Sixers need from a perimeter scoring option.

Lowry makes some sense, but Sixers would still lack a clutch go-to guy.

Jrue makes sense too, but similar to Lowry, who takes the big 3pt shot when needed?

Oladipo is damn near perfect but has eyes for Miami.

So if you don't think you can land any of the big FA names...is it even worth trading Tobias for an expiring??

Or...can you use that $27M to grab 3 role player types to put around Joel and Ben??

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The player we need is a $40M per year player, not a $27M per year player. And a you need to pay $30+M per year for a $27M player if you are the Sixers. We are in the same tier with the Celts when it comes to attracting FAs.

$27M would likely just bring you 1-2 Bjelica type players.

How about this scenario?

Sixers get Porter and a pick from the Bulls.

You use that pick or your picks and BEN to trade for Beal.

You compete now with Beal, Biid, Porter and the rest of our roster.

We’d then still have $27M cap space (by your computation), where because you already have Beal and Biid, you are in a spot to be OK to just settle for role players with that cap space.

And you may even get a free roll with the Bulls pick if you are able to get it or not trade it.

[76ciology]

You just figure this out.

Ben and Tobi are not playing like 2nd star. Between the two, Ben is likely to be valued higher to get you a second star.

Biid, Second star and Ben or Tobi, would pretty much solve the problem of this team.

Second star, a guy who can carry the offense whenever Biid is not playing or is on the bench while also be able to compliment Biid.

[mithrandir17]

You just figure this out.

Ben and Tobi are not playing like 2nd star. Between the two, Ben is likely to be valued higher to get you a second star.

Biid, Second star and Ben or Tobi, would pretty much solve the problem of this team.

Second star, a guy who can carry the offense whenever Biid is not playing or is on the bench while also be able to compliment Biid.

That second star is the best definition for Beal. A guy who can get you 30 points when Embiid sits or around 20-25 points with Embiid and Tobi. And also can get you a clutch bucket if you need one. If the opposing team puts their best perimeter defender on beal then call for a screen or give the ball to tobi where he is being defended by the weaker defender.

[Monix]

Am I missing the part where Beal will be enough to wins games that Embiid sits?

It sure isn't happening with the Wiz

[mithrandir17]

Am I missing the part where Beal will be enough to wins games that Embiid sits?

It sure isn't happening with the Wiz

Beal + our current group of players minus Embiid and Simmons is much better than what the wiz have.

[Arsenal]

Am I missing the part where Beal will be enough to wins games that Embiid sits?

It sure isn't happening with the Wiz

Beal + our current group of players minus Embiid and Simmons is much better than what the wiz have.

Based on what? Wishful thinking? This team has been awful without Embiid on the floor.