Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

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[Tomjas]

Trade for a “name”

Sixers get John Wall, KPJ and picks

Timberwolves get Ben & Kork

Rockets get Beverley (expiring), Prince (expiring) and Beasley

I have a real fear that Maxey has become as overrated as Ben is underrated due to the desire to shoot Ben into the sun

Reality is that he’s not even a proven starter

Wall brings experience and it will cost the Rockets to move him with that contract and part of that is KPJ

Wolves will also have to pay by way of picks

[76ciology]

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Hahaha

He should started with “word of advise from one number one overall pick bust to another” that would get him more coverage

[eyeatoma]

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Pretty good advice by Kwame of all people.

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[Tomjas]

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Pretty good advice by Kwame of all people.

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Ben is an idiot as are the people around him

Turn up, get paid, get traded

Doesn’t even need to play or speak to anyone

Not that fkn hard

[eyeatoma]

Posted on trade forum but didn't get a lot of feedback. Wondered what you guys think?
I think that Philly team is strong and LeVert could be the bench leader if you want to start Maxey.

PHI get CJ+LeVert for giving Simmons+Curry
CJ, Green, LeVert, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Niang, Drummond
- Philly get two guys that can initiate scoring in the half-court

POR get Siakam for giving CJ
Lillard, Powell, Covington, Siakam, Nurkic -- Simons, Snell, Little, Nance, Zeller
- Portland get good value for CJ, become a much stronger defensive team

IND get Simmons+Curry+Achiuwa for giving Sabonis+LeVert+Lamb
Curry, Brogdon, Warren, Simmons, Turner -- McConnell, JHoliday, Oshae, Achiuwa, Goga
- Rick gets to build a super-efficient offense around Simmons, Curry, Brogdon

TOR get Sabonis+Lamb for giving Siakam+Achiuwa
FVV, Trent, OG, Barnes, Sabonis -- Flynn, Lamb, Watanabe, Boucher, Birch
- Raptors get their starting C and can move Barnes into starting squad

Levert has a stress fracture in his back. Do not want...

He's unlikely to miss a game

Also pretty injury prone.

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[76ciology]

Do you guys think owners also have a union, whereas they can connive to destroy a player’s career who doesnt honor they’re contract?

Could Ben be the sacrificial lamb to end player empowerment to show everyone who’s in charge? Ben is the perfect lamb to sacrifice because its not like he’s a superstar to make demands nor is he good enough to warrant a franchise player role.

[sixers hoops]

Other than the fact that you would like Simmons to forfeit his salary and pay fines on top of that, what exactly is your position?

I said if I were the Sixers I would just pay him, so I don’t classify myself as wanted to see Ben lose money.

I just want our discussion to accurately reflect the financial risks Ben is taking the longer he doesn’t report. There is no value in discussing scenarios based on inaccurate information.

Assuming that the reports are correct, roughly $23 million excluding the playoffs

Gets murkier the longer it drags on as there simply won’t be enough outstanding salary to cover the fines given that he’s basically being paid 50% up front

If it gets to that point then you can assume that both sides have gone completely bonkers

I can’t imagine it gets there. Ben doesn’t want to play for them and I don’t really see him reporting and playing really well for a few weeks, so they could just tell him to sit home until they find a trade. However, he can’t really expect to earn millions of dollars without going to work because he is embarrassed he played so poorly.

[sixers hoops]

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Ben is an idiot as are the people around him

Turn up, get paid, get traded

Doesn’t even need to play or speak to anyone

Not that fkn hard

At this point, he prob also doesn’t have much confidence in Morey accepting any reasonable deals, which is part of his frustration. His agents know that Woj says Morey has been asking for a massive return in a trade, and it prob strengthens their resolve to not report.

Morey prob isn’t being very accommodating, so I guess Klutch and Morey aren’t going to work out an understanding. What if Ben comes back and makes the all-star team, and Morey still doesn’t trade him? His only recourse is to do what he is doing until he gets traded, if he wants out that bad.

Ultimately, you would think, if Morey isn’t close to a deal, that he and Klutch work on some kind of agreement to get Ben to report. Aaron Rodgers couldn’t force a trade, but had enough leverage to negotiate an out in the near future.

[Tomjas]

I said if I were the Sixers I would just pay him, so I don’t classify myself as wanted to see Ben lose money.

I just want our discussion to accurately reflect the financial risks Ben is taking the longer he doesn’t report. There is no value in discussing scenarios based on inaccurate information.

Assuming that the reports are correct, roughly $23 million excluding the playoffs

Gets murkier the longer it drags on as there simply won’t be enough outstanding salary to cover the fines given that he’s basically being paid 50% up front

If it gets to that point then you can assume that both sides have gone completely bonkers

I can’t imagine it gets there. Ben doesn’t want to play for them and I don’t really see him reporting and playing really well for a few weeks, so they could just tell him to sit home until they find a trade. However, he can’t really expect to earn millions of dollars without going to work because he is embarrassed he played so poorly.

Logic has gone out the window at this point

There’s very little point in him turning up as everyone knows he’s being traded so best to run with guys who will be there without the distraction his presence would create

If they fine him for not turning up, a **** storm will ensue creating more distraction

[RedSalsa]

That’s not how it works under the cba

Might wanna take another look.

Trust me. He has never read the CBA. He’s trolling now, because his horrible understanding of contractual language blew up in his face.

This

[Tomjas]

Might wanna take another look.

Trust me. He has never read the CBA. He’s trolling now, because his horrible understanding of contractual language blew up in his face.

This

You have no idea

[Stanford]

Are you trying to tell me you haven't seen any Philly fans saying they will yell abuse at him at games?

Give me a **** break

[Rastas]

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Ben is an idiot as are the people around him

Turn up, get paid, get traded

Doesn’t even need to play or speak to anyone

Not that fkn hard

NC Headphones and a spotter or 2

[sixers hoops]

Assuming that the reports are correct, roughly $23 million excluding the playoffs

Gets murkier the longer it drags on as there simply won’t be enough outstanding salary to cover the fines given that he’s basically being paid 50% up front

If it gets to that point then you can assume that both sides have gone completely bonkers

I can’t imagine it gets there. Ben doesn’t want to play for them and I don’t really see him reporting and playing really well for a few weeks, so they could just tell him to sit home until they find a trade. However, he can’t really expect to earn millions of dollars without going to work because he is embarrassed he played so poorly.

Logic has gone out the window at this point

There’s very little point in him turning up as everyone knows he’s being traded so best to run with guys who will be there without the distraction his presence would create

If they fine him for not turning up, a **** storm will ensue creating more distraction

I don’t know that Morey is too worried about the distraction. For all the talk of the distraction, the guys are in camp practicing. Doc gave some crappy interviews. The players gave some quick thoughts on it at media day. If Ben isn’t in the building, the team will get ready for the season, and Doc will just say everyday that he is hopeful that Ben shows up. They might almost be relieved at this point that they don’t have to play with a guy who doesn’t want to be there. They tried to reach out but Ben wasn’t interested.

[Rastas]

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Some nice words from Kwame there.
I would love to see Ben show up , go out of his way to totally dominate on the court for 2 or 3 games then say his Back or Neck hurts n sit the rest of the season getting paid - just to mess with Bobble Head.

[mjkvol]

This guy must really hate the game. If I was a fan of any of the teams prospectively trading for him, this along with his refusal to work on his weaknesses would be like a neon 'DANGER - STAY AWAY' sign. Just makes it that much harder to make any kind of 'equitable' trade, but I still hope they let him sit and rot if one doesn't materialize.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/76ers-ben-simmons-willing-to-forfeit-33m-salary-and-sit-out-entire-season-if-not-traded-per-report/

[Tomjas]

I can’t imagine it gets there. Ben doesn’t want to play for them and I don’t really see him reporting and playing really well for a few weeks, so they could just tell him to sit home until they find a trade. However, he can’t really expect to earn millions of dollars without going to work because he is embarrassed he played so poorly.

Logic has gone out the window at this point

There’s very little point in him turning up as everyone knows he’s being traded so best to run with guys who will be there without the distraction his presence would create

If they fine him for not turning up, a **** storm will ensue creating more distraction

I don’t know that Morey is too worried about the distraction. For all the talk of the distraction, the guys are in camp practicing. Doc gave some crappy interviews. The players gave some quick thoughts on it at media day. If Ben isn’t in the building, the team will get ready for the season, and Doc will just say everyday that he is hopeful that Ben shows up. They might almost be relieved at this point that they don’t have to play with a guy who doesn’t want to be there. They tried to reach out but Ben wasn’t interested.

Why would Morey care?

He’s earning $10 million a year for 5 years with his main claim to fame being completely **** up the Chris Paul trade

He’s a hack that’s lucky to have a job

[spikeslovechild]

Im not trying to argue and Im just trying to understand your position.

What makes you say there’s a big difference between Edwards and KPJ? KPJ is just a year older.

Is it because Edwards is drafted first overall and KPJ was acquired for just a 2nd rounder?

Yes, Edwards should be valued higher and there is a good case of Edwards being the better player. But for me, the gap is not that big between the two.

I know you’re not buying KPJ’s numbers last season because of the limited number of games. But let’s say he got those numbers for a full season, will that change your mind?

Just trying to understand your position.

Is the gap really big between KPJ and Edwards? How big?

Well the issue is also why KPJ was acquired for a second rounder. Teams worry about character and personality concerns, fans hand wave them until a guy gets in trouble or is holding out from camp because he's up in his feelings.

Ok. I understand that. So the character issue is the reason for the gap to widen between KPJ and Edwards? Because if so, its understandable.

It would change my mind if coupled with that Edwards didn't take the step forward most of us are expecting him too than yes but honestly that would be a bigger reflection on how my opinion changed on Edwards moreso than KPJ and talent wise I don't agree with your assessment really.

Yes, I believe KPJ was a top 10 talent who fell due character concerns but even without those character concerns he was never going to be picked over Edwards. Edwards entered the draft with a more polished jumpshot, better athleticism, and frankly he was more productive in college and not by a small margin either.

Yes Edwards wasn't terribly efficient but there is still a huge difference between averaging 19.3 PPG and 10 PPG which if you were being honest that is where you would measure their starting points. What Edwards needs to continue to do is get more confortable with his jumper and continue to refine his shot selection, offensive awareness, and continue to work on his 3PT shot. He has all the natural gifts anyways I am tired of talking about Edwards and KPJ this thread is supposed to be about Simmons

[Rastas]

Logic has gone out the window at this point

There’s very little point in him turning up as everyone knows he’s being traded so best to run with guys who will be there without the distraction his presence would create

If they fine him for not turning up, a **** storm will ensue creating more distraction

I don’t know that Morey is too worried about the distraction. For all the talk of the distraction, the guys are in camp practicing. Doc gave some crappy interviews. The players gave some quick thoughts on it at media day. If Ben isn’t in the building, the team will get ready for the season, and Doc will just say everyday that he is hopeful that Ben shows up. They might almost be relieved at this point that they don’t have to play with a guy who doesn’t want to be there. They tried to reach out but Ben wasn’t interested.

Why would Morey care?

He’s earning $10 million a year for 5 years with his main claim to fame being screwing the Rockets on Chris Paul

He’s a joke

Don't forget his $260m 6yr Ball n Chain he just tied to the Sixers.