Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[Kobblehead]

Turner would be a good fit with Simmons, an awful fit with Embiid. Have ya'll seen Myles move? Absolutely cannot play F defensively.

[GutUNC]

Nothing more overrated than Simmons the trade anything good Embiid helps

Yoda?

[GutUNC]

Tobias is game outdated 3pt spamming is Embiid needs not with primadonnas that cannot dunk or shoot the bad spacing

Honestly concerned you're having a stroke now.

[Stanford]

Tobias is game outdated 3pt spamming is Embiid needs not with primadonnas that cannot dunk or shoot the bad spacing

Honestly concerned you're having a stroke now.

It's been weeks since I've been able to understand one of his posts

[eyeatoma]

Well sorry to tell you Bucks nearly shot themselves out of two playoff series’s lol. Then they realized wait were humungous let’s just crush inside then they won. Bucks spammed the 3 ball first game of the finals and it wasn’t even close by the siren. Holiday, Giannis aren’t great shooters.

GSW have bloody Looney/Green ffs!

I’m tired of trying to copycat/emulate. Embiid and work under that proviso. Our backcourt is horrible and Fox/DLO, CJ, Dame whatever is just compounding it and not solving it in the end.

Our best player is Embiid, we aren’t a GSW/Spurs system never has and never will be so don’t go down that path. He isn’t going to be a 22-10-2 52+ % FG DPOY which he should be but isn’t.

This is how we are going to win, choke other teams by defense and death by volume on the other end. We can funnel it to the two bigs then good luck getting inside.

We tried the before and we sucked with a better player than Myles Turner, in Al Horford. Despite Horford's down year with us he is an infinitely better player than Turner. Ingram is a good replacement over Harris but he does not shoot enough. Joel thrives with shooting around him.

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J Rich was basically our PG and Harris sucked so much it wasn’t funny. No Joel doesn’t just thrive with shooting around him he thrives with correct setups. Infinite is superlatives cmon now

Curry + Maxey, Green on the wing into Turner + Embiid is more than fine imo. You have the nuke in Curry that’s all the shooting you need, the ballhandler/pnr scorer in Maxey now second option, and Embiid/Turner as the two pronged big man setup that works well together offensively and defensively. The deferring into dribble Tobithus is gone.

I fail to see how that isn’t a great setup here.

Butler isn’t a great shooter look at how that turned out.

Context folks

Butler is one of the best PNR players in the league and draws fouls at a great rate. He also has a closer gene that I don't believe Ingram had.

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[Kobblehead]

Brandon Ingram's playstyle is trending back the wrong way. Zion was the best thing that ever happened to him because it forced him to space the floor. Now he's trending back towards the awful Lakers iteration of his playstyle.

[stormi]

Sabonis to TOR
Siakam and VanVleet to PHI
Simmons to IND

That doesn't work salary-wise, and the value is off, but I like that as the skeleton of a trade idea.

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[Bum Adebayo]

Brandon Ingram's playstyle is trending back the wrong way. Zion was the best thing that ever happened to him because it forced him to space the floor. Now he's trending back towards the awful Lakers iteration of his playstyle.

Proof Zion is GOAThood trajectory amazing impact

[stormi]

People say Harris is a bad fit here like it's a given and I don't get that at all. His literal skills are a great fit with Embiid and while he was playing Simmons. If anything it's the exact opposite, his issue is just that he's not an elite talent which is how he is being paid. If he was making $25 million or whatever no one would be complaining about him.

Couldn't be further from the truth.

He cannot operate the P&R, so there's no mutualism in their games. There isn't anything Tobias Harris is doing out there that makes life easier for Joel Embiid.

He pounds the air out of the basketball, isn't a willing shooter from 3, can't facilitate and wants to play bullyball ala: inside the hashes forcing Embiid away from the rim.

And to compound his dysfunctional offensive skillset, he doesn't even be playing any defense. He's a sieve that gets cooked by any above average forward and had an illness riddled Embiid chasing (and clamping) Siakam around the perimeter because he had a swift 30 bomb dropped on his head in game one of the Raptors series.

Theoretically Tobias Harris is this monster 6'8 stretch forward with guard skills. But in actuality he's a role-player on an inflated contract that gets his in slow paced mid 2000's fashion.

This team doesn't skip a beat when he's out with injury and replaced by near vet min Georges Niang.

[DCasey91]

Turner would be a good fit with Simmons, an awful fit with Embiid. Have ya'll seen Myles move? Absolutely cannot play F defensively.

... Morey should get on the phone right now and trade for Turner then.

Whatever you say is so far off the mark the opposite is much more align with what happens.

Gladly take Turner now that you don’t like it.

[DCasey91]

Niang >>>> Harris with Embiid been saying it.

Also funnily enough Ben >>>> Harris when it pairs with Embiid. Defensively absolute nightmare duo.

All you need is a closer and for Ben not to sh*t himself. But alas Ben is Ben still better than Tobithus I go missing game 5.

Harris doesn’t add on anything to anyone he got propped up so much at OKC.

[mjkvol]

Theoretically Tobias Harris is this monster 6'8 stretch forward with guard skills. But in actuality he's a role-player on an inflated contract that gets his in slow paced mid 2000's fashion.

This team doesn't skip a beat when he's out with injury and replaced by near vet min Georges Niang.

This pretty much nails it.

[the_process]

People say Harris is a bad fit here like it's a given and I don't get that at all. His literal skills are a great fit with Embiid and while he was playing Simmons. If anything it's the exact opposite, his issue is just that he's not an elite talent which is how he is being paid. If he was making $25 million or whatever no one would be complaining about him.

Couldn't be further from the truth.

He cannot operate the P&R, so there's no mutualism in their games. There isn't anything Tobias Harris is doing out there that makes life easier for Joel Embiid.

He pounds the air out of the basketball, isn't a willing shooter from 3, can't facilitate and wants to play bullyball ala: inside the hashes forcing Embiid away from the rim.

And to compound his dysfunctional offensive skillset, he doesn't even be playing any defense. He's a sieve that gets cooked by any above average forward and had an illness riddled Embiid chasing (and clamping) Siakam around the perimeter because he had a swift 30 bomb dropped on his head in game one of the Raptors series.

Theoretically Tobias Harris is this monster 6'8 stretch forward with guard skills. But in actuality he's a role-player on an inflated contract that gets his in slow paced mid 2000's fashion.

This team doesn't skip a beat when he's out with injury and replaced by near vet min Georges Niang.

Well said. 100% spot on. Harris leaving is addition by subtraction. He’s gotta go.

[Mik317]

the real issue is that the team is missing and has been missing a real perimeter shot maker. That means when Tobias...Ben or even Embiid struggle to be that their flaws become even more apparent. Its the Iggy dilemma in a way. Once Iggy got to GS, his all around game was appreciated thanks to Steph, Klay and Dray allowing him to be that guy...whereas here many we mad that he couldn't be Kobe lol. Add in the fact that people constantly use contracts as a way of evaluation of players in that you make the max then you must be god tier when due to the way the NBA is...that hasn't been the case in forever.

I keep going back to it but Fultz was supposed to be that guy. The connector the Biid/Ben pairing needed. Jimmy kinda did it but he was too alpha for everyone lol....and generally that player always will be. But damn that was it....but alas **** doesn't always work out huh.

[Embiid P]

the real issue is that the team is missing and has been missing a real perimeter shot maker. That means when Tobias...Ben or even Embiid struggle to be that their flaws become even more apparent. Its the Iggy dilemma in a way. Once Iggy got to GS, his all around game was appreciated thanks to Steph, Klay and Dray allowing him to be that guy...whereas here many we mad that he couldn't be Kobe lol. Add in the fact that people constantly use contracts as a way of evaluation of players in that you make the max then you must be god tier when due to the way the NBA is...that hasn't been the case in forever.

I keep going back to it but Fultz was supposed to be that guy. The connector the Biid/Ben pairing needed. Jimmy kinda did it but he was too alpha for everyone lol....and generally that player always will be. But damn that was it....but alas **** doesn't always work out huh.

We've had two of those guys during Embiid's time here in JJ and Seth, but both of them are/were undersized and poor defenders whose lack of defense was often covered up by Ben's elite defense. Now that Ben isn't playing for us, Seth's and by extension Maxey's defensive shortcomings have been all the more apparent as we watch opposing guards and wings torch us on a nightly basis. Ideally we need to surround Embiid and Maxey (still our best shot creator despite his recent struggles) with taller younger non-ball dominant 3 and D players.

[Wilfried]

I’d say get Turner for Harris. Embiid + Turner has great dividends imo.

Harris screams Pacers. I'd do it.

Why for Pacers?

[spikeslovechild]

Simmons and Curry plus picks for Powell and Lillard makes a ton of sense for both clubs

Nah... I'd rather cut Powell out and move him somewhere else for likely better return if I'm Portland. There's no way you avoid Thybulle, Maxey, Simmons, and picks for Powell+Lillard.

I have Powell worth more than a 1st. Maybe two 1sts or a decent prospect and a 1st. Lillard is worth a minimum of Simmons+two 1sts.

Curry holds little value to the Blazers in a blow up scenario and would need to be routed to a 3rd team who could provide something that did provide value. I think the value's off here.

I don't have Powell worth anywhere close to a first. He is basically having a similar year to last season and he at that point was moved for a restricted FA in Trent Jr. Curry to me on his contract is more valuable. Curry is probably worth at least a first and I am not joking his contract is one of the best bargains in the NBA.

It's much easier for the Trailblazers to move Curry down the line rather than Powell just because of the money. The reason why I suggested Powell is because I thought the swap would actually add value for the Blazers. I could be wrong but that is how I see things

[DCasey91]

I’d say get Turner for Harris. Embiid + Turner has great dividends imo.

Harris screams Pacers. I'd do it.

Why for Pacers?

Embrace the tank with open and welcoming arms and what better way to do that then to get the top tier tank commander in Tobithus. Sabo can go for highly ranked draft assets if the club is smart which remains to be seen. Need to blow it up. They ain’t doing squat & everybody knows that even before they were thinking about anything lol.

Also every NBA team needs to fill cap. Tobithus for 38/40 is perfecto tank salary then you get to the player itself and you’d swear he was made in tank heaven.

[DCasey91]

the real issue is that the team is missing and has been missing a real perimeter shot maker. That means when Tobias...Ben or even Embiid struggle to be that their flaws become even more apparent. Its the Iggy dilemma in a way. Once Iggy got to GS, his all around game was appreciated thanks to Steph, Klay and Dray allowing him to be that guy...whereas here many we mad that he couldn't be Kobe lol. Add in the fact that people constantly use contracts as a way of evaluation of players in that you make the max then you must be god tier when due to the way the NBA is...that hasn't been the case in forever.

I keep going back to it but Fultz was supposed to be that guy. The connector the Biid/Ben pairing needed. Jimmy kinda did it but he was too alpha for everyone lol....and generally that player always will be. But damn that was it....but alas **** doesn't always work out huh.

Jimmy the player was good enough but the character (which for me I actually agree and don’t mind it all) was like sending a junkyard dog into a pampered puppy house and that goes for all three and the FO and the coach altogether lol. I bet you they didn’t even think about it before trading for him.

Seen it happen to a lesser extent but the results was funny asf to watch the only difference was old heads were there and said and I quote “Blunt razors cut quicker than sharp ones.”

Dudes are like this they needed the wake up but were to chicken little to actually reflect on it properly.

[spikeslovechild]

People say Harris is a bad fit here like it's a given and I don't get that at all. His literal skills are a great fit with Embiid and while he was playing Simmons. If anything it's the exact opposite, his issue is just that he's not an elite talent which is how he is being paid. If he was making $25 million or whatever no one would be complaining about him.

Couldn't be further from the truth.

He cannot operate the P&R, so there's no mutualism in their games. There isn't anything Tobias Harris is doing out there that makes life easier for Joel Embiid.

He pounds the air out of the basketball, isn't a willing shooter from 3, can't facilitate and wants to play bullyball ala: inside the hashes forcing Embiid away from the rim.

And to compound his dysfunctional offensive skillset, he doesn't even be playing any defense. He's a sieve that gets cooked by any above average forward and had an illness riddled Embiid chasing (and clamping) Siakam around the perimeter because he had a swift 30 bomb dropped on his head in game one of the Raptors series.

Theoretically Tobias Harris is this monster 6'8 stretch forward with guard skills. But in actuality he's a role-player on an inflated contract that gets his in slow paced mid 2000's fashion.

This team doesn't skip a beat when he's out with injury and replaced by near vet min Georges Niang.

The hatred of Harris on this board has reached comical levels. Were you making these proclamations last year? The main issue with Harris right now is twofold his 3PT shot isn't there and he is trying to do too much with Simmons gone.

He is a guy who is sort of capable of doing a bit of everything on offense. He is capable of handling the ball. He is a capable passer. His 3PT shot is streaky but over his career it's been pretty good. The issue sort of becomes when you look at what he does well and sort of expand his role too large. Last year everything was free and easy he was basically putting up similar playmaking numbers despite Simmons being there.

But now the efficiency is gone and that is because the focus has mainly been on him as the 2nd guy. Which he isn't. His 3PT shot also hasn't been there which also doesn't help but the idea that you can just take him away and throw Niang I don't buy. All that does it make an existing problem that much worse which is we don't have a guard we can run our offense through. We just don't. It's like in baseball moving someone from middle relief into a closer role him struggling then saying well we don't need a closer and the previous guy who excelled in middle relief isn't useful. Well he may not be useful in his new role but if you move him back to old one he could still be.

I don't honestly really see a situation where we can move Harris and improve the team and I don't see a way where we bring in the guards where our bigs whether that be Embiid or Harris are not going to have to force things on offense. Maybe if we somehow get Lillard we can reopen that discussion