SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[Tony Franciosa]

harden wont be a RFA until next year

if OKC wins it all this year, does that make them more or less likely to match an offer next year?

I still want the 6ers to be in a position make a hard push for him next year.

[KrazySixersD]

im not sure but im also on record as wanting to throw the kitchen sink at him...

i even came up with iggy and turner for harden and perkins

[SparksFly87]

Gasol is a guy that can play winning basketball (as opposed to Jefferson), but at 32 he's clearly not the long term answer this team needs. If we could somehow get them to include Blake or Sessions in the deal (assuming Lou walks), then it would certainly make things more appealing on our end.

If it was up to me, I'd throw every cent we have this summer at James Harden. Assuming that doesn't work, make a play for an Anderson/Asik front court and keep Iguodala (unless something more worthwhile surfaces). Let's actually improve our team instead of walking sideways.

Stop it! Trading Iggy for Gasol sucks! This gets us nowhere. Gasol is getting old and has no heart. He won with Kobe , Bynum and Odom on the team. Stop this crap!

[Tension]

I think if OKC loses this year, Harden takes less money and makes Ibaka staying a lot more likely. OKC wins, they'll match anything except a max offer. (or maybe even a max offer, but likelyhood %-wise, def much lower)

Regardless, I think Presti knows that if he doesn't keep Harden then it'd be a colossal fckup regardless of who else is on the team besides Westbrook Durant and Harden. They draft well so they can just keep building.

[aHealthy3]

People keep saying Jefferson isn't a winner because his team got swept by the Spurs in the first round? He was the leader of a young ass team that no one predicted to make the playoffs anyways. I'm not saying he's going to be our savior in any way but it's not his fault the dude's has **** teams, and IMO he's been solid for the Jazz. Not even saying that's the right direction to go but if that IS the direction the FO wants to go then I would much prefer Jefferson to Gasol.

[SparksFly87]

People keep saying Jefferson isn't a winner because his team got swept by the Spurs in the first round? He was the leader of a young ass team that no one predicted to make the playoffs anyways. I'm not saying he's going to be our savior in any way but it's not his fault the dude's has **** teams, and IMO he's been solid for the Jazz. Not even saying that's the right direction to go but if that IS the direction the FO wants to go then I would much prefer Jefferson to Gasol.

I like this!

[The Sixer Fixer]

The dream people have about us being able to get James Harden next year is less likely to ever happen than Dwight Howard coming here. There is no way OKC isn't going to match an offer for him. You have to understand the cult like following the guy has there. The team would be absolutely insane to let him go (unless he flat out tells them he doesn't want to be there).

OKC is MUCH more likely to trade Westbrook if they get into the financial position where they can't keep all those guys. Ibaka would leave way before Harden too. It's just not realistic at all to speculate on us being able to sign him. I mean, even if OKC didn't match, we still have to beat 28 other teams that might make a play for him (S/T or straight sign).

[Skates]

People keep saying Jefferson is not a winner because he is a god awful defensive player and in a league where defensively mobile bigs is the trend, that will only get worse. He can't defend a pick and roll or pop play to save his life, blocks the occasional shot but rarely is in good help position and is a middling at best on ball defender.

I am simply not a fan of starting bigs who can't defend (mind you, the Sixers often ahve starting bigs who simply can't play). Every year Jefferson's team plays much better defense when his butt is on the bench. Gasol is older and I doubt the LAL trade him for Iggy anyway. Truthfully, I'd rather have Milsap than Jefferson.

If Jefferson is a one year stop gap to preserve cap space, fine, who knows, maybe we include him in our big trade for D12 (we can dream, right?). But long term, he is not an answer to any question that involves building a contender.

If we can't get a top draft pick for Iggy I wouldn't mind a deal where we grab a pick that gets us Meyers Leonard plus an established NBA player. This team is going to need players next year with so few returning. Iggy for Wes Matthews (nice bench swingman who is actually worth his mid level salary) and the Blazer's second pick at 11, plus a trade of seconds to allow us up into the thirties would give us some extra salary cap flexibility (trade would have to be finalized after the new year begins) and wecould grab three nice assets in return for him, plus keep our pick at 15. If we can't grab an alpha type player, then stockpile assets for a future trade.

[KrazySixersD]

People keep saying Jefferson isn't a winner because his team got swept by the Spurs in the first round? He was the leader of a young ass team that no one predicted to make the playoffs anyways. I'm not saying he's going to be our savior in any way but it's not his fault the dude's has **** teams, and IMO he's been solid for the Jazz. Not even saying that's the right direction to go but if that IS the direction the FO wants to go then I would much prefer Jefferson to Gasol.

i agree with this... this jefferson being on losing teams has nothing to do with anything at all

thats such a poor weak excuse its sad...

having said that i would still rather rebuild and load up on lottery picks

[Chamberlainship]

The two right knee problems Jefferson has had are a concern.

[Sixerlover]

I swear if we trade Iguodala for an undersized 2 guard that didn't start in college I quit.

I agree with this 100%. Enough with the undersized gunners at SG. When did one of those ever lead his team to a title? Don't give me Dwayne Wade either, he's got decent size for the 2.

Trading Iguodala for a SG and moving Turner to SF also hurts our "length" and perimeter defense. Much better to keep Iguodala at SF, and trade Turner for a pick that gets us a guy like Jeremy Lamb, who has the length and athleticism to be a great defender at the SG spot and would also provide scoring.

Waiters is the same exact size as Wade.

[mybestfiend]

Waiters is also not as good as Wade.

[Gsraider]

Not sure why everyone is so concerned about what Philly can get back for Iguodala when it was just announced that former Duke alum, Jon Scheyer has agreed to join Philly's summer league team.......well, at least he can shoot......if left open.

[SparksFly87]

Iggy and 15 th for 6 (Drummond ) and Wes Matthews.
Thad and 15 for Okafor and 10th pick (Ross)

Done deal.

Jrue /. vet
Matthews/ Ross
Turner / vet.
VUcevic/Allen/ FA
Okafor/Drummond

[phillysixed]

New poster, just wanted to say hello to everyone and that this is the best Sixers forum that I've encountered on the web so far. Many interesting discussions to take in for sure.

Seen alot of interesting deals talked about from the rumored Toronto trade, to Al Jefferson, to Charlotte trading #2, to Rudy Gay and Pau Gasol. As another poster said I don't think Drummond slips past the Kings at #5, only because word is they want to move Cousins to PF.

To get Drummond we'd presumably have to deal with Charlotte. After looking over their roster, what I'm wondering is would we have to take back Maggette to make it work? He makes 10 million next year in the last year of his deal. Maybe moving Iguodala and taking back an expiring is enough to entice the Bobcats to move the #2 pick and we could move Maggette and/or Brand at the deadline for more assets with their expiring deals.

The Toronto deal would be great for us in many ways if we could swing it. We get back Calderon who can push Jrue and set an example of what a true passing PG looks like. Davis I've heard can clean the glass pretty well and you would also have the opportunity to select a true halfcourt SG in Lamb at #8 and someone like Perry Jones at #15. If you're looking ahead for the next 3-5 years, this kind of move could reap great rewards.

FInally, if you would like a veteran with a post presence there's Al Jefferson. To me, this would be the only veteran I would target because he is still productive in the prime of his career and can bang and bruise down low with the best of em. Theoretically, you are maximizing your best asset in Iggy at its highest value instead of pursuing an inefficient/overpaid Gay or an aging Gasol.

Any of these three deals are good for our team but I defintely prefer the latter two. Drummond is risky since he's clearly undeveloped but his potential looks limitless with his size and presence in the middle. Just some food for thought.

[redemption]

Sparks,

Good thinking except that you traded the 15th pick twice.

[Do the Jrue]

So the Finals end on the 26th (if it goes 7 games) and the draft is the 28th.....when does free agency officially begin?

[uuaarrgh]

Free Agency starts on 1st of July!

[KKell2507]

Free Agency starts on 1st of July!

Yea thats going to be a busy ass week for the NBA. End of the finals, the draft, and then the start of free agency all within a span of 6 days.

I do believe however that theres a grace period between when you can talk to players and when they can actually sign? something like 2 weeks. So we can talk to Free agents on July 1st, and they can tentatively agree to a deal, however they cant actually sign until July 14th.

I think that is what happened to Willie Green the summer he tore his knee up. He had an agreement to sign a contract but tore his knee in a pickup game during the grace period and never got the contract. I could be wrong on that though...

[Do the Jrue]

I think that's so stupid. Free agency should start before the draft so you know which parts of your team are less of needs. The NFL does it right.