Where is Jahlil Okafor?

[spikeslovechild]

Nooo, I think your off. I like this one better:

Jesus. I sure hope that was sarcasm.

naw man. There are some gems in the various Okafor centric threads. Its like a few guys just didn't see how bad he was last year.

I get being hype on young players. Hell, I thought Evan Turner was gonna be a god predraft but Jah went from being a rich man's Al jefferson (which would be a very good player) predraft to being Karl Malone, Lamarcus Aldridge, and host of other ridiculous comparisons after a crappy rookie year and a few workout montages.

That was a comparison his own coach made. Look Okafor has taken a major step back. I was expecting him to take a major step forward this year.

It's disappointing. The talent is there and always has been there but the opportunities are not, the effort is not, and the coaching is not there. One of the major problems with Okafor right now is the usage. He's taking 4,5,6 shots a night. His value is as an offensive center but he's not a big part of the offense right now.

[PhilasFinest]

Jesus. I sure hope that was sarcasm.

naw man. There are some gems in the various Okafor centric threads. Its like a few guys just didn't see how bad he was last year.

I get being hype on young players. Hell, I thought Evan Turner was gonna be a god predraft but Jah went from being a rich man's Al jefferson (which would be a very good player) predraft to being Karl Malone, Lamarcus Aldridge, and host of other ridiculous comparisons after a crappy rookie year and a few workout montages.

That was a comparison his own coach made. Look Okafor has taken a major step back. I was expecting him to take a major step forward this year.

It's disappointing. The talent is there and always has been there but the opportunities are not, the effort is not, and the coaching is not there. One of the major problems with Okafor right now is the usage. He's taking 4,5,6 shots a night. His value is as an offensive center but he's not a big part of the offense right now.

Jah's freshman year at duke he took an average of 11.1 FGA with 5.1 FTA in 30.1 mpg

Rookie year with Philly he took an average of 14.6 FGA with 3.7 FTA in 30 mpg

This year, 9 FGA with 2.7 FTA in 22.9 mpg

Equate his struggles with whatever you want....his reason for less shots is less minutes, and thats because he is rebounding worse and he is defending worse. His jumper has regressed along with his FT shooting and He is a liability of defense which forces him to be off the floor in crucial minutes, just like at Duke.

I wish Okafor would become some dominant scorer which forced you to play him, but quite frankly he hasn't looked the part this year even on offense. Maybe its the center log jam effecting him,injuries or the team overall.....but its simply not working for both the Sixers and Jahlil right now.

[HotelVitale]

That was a comparison his own coach made. Look Okafor has taken a major step back. I was expecting him to take a major step forward this year. It's disappointing. The talent is there and always has been there but the opportunities are not, the effort is not, and the coaching is not there. One of the major problems with Okafor right now is the usage. He's taking 4,5,6 shots a night. His value is as an offensive center but he's not a big part of the offense right now.

I'm not hyped on Okafor but I don't read the situation that way. Looking at the games, he's not being allowed to force his way into iso scoring chances this year and often just plays a decoy role in the offense, setting up dribble handoffs or setting side screens. That's not a step back--it's a new role for him, and it's not as if he's suddenly worse at iso scoring.

What I think we learned last year is that Okafor can't just keep being the same one-on-one, take 8 seconds to score player he was last year. I think it's fairly encouraging to see he's not stuck doing just that, though I have to admit I haven't seen many glimpses of what else he'll do. Bottom line for me is that he's being a good soldier who's not pouting about his touches and keeps being happy to keep the ball moving. I think he's gone too far that direction at this point, and now he's got to work on making quick and effective attack moves sometimes while also doing the screening/passing stuff other times (so he can do something useful without the ball in his hands).

[FKAri]

Jesus. I sure hope that was sarcasm.

naw man. There are some gems in the various Okafor centric threads. Its like a few guys just didn't see how bad he was last year.

I get being hype on young players. Hell, I thought Evan Turner was gonna be a god predraft but Jah went from being a rich man's Al jefferson (which would be a very good player) predraft to being Karl Malone, Lamarcus Aldridge, and host of other ridiculous comparisons after a crappy rookie year and a few workout montages.

That was a comparison his own coach made. Look Okafor has taken a major step back. I was expecting him to take a major step forward this year.

It's disappointing. The talent is there and always has been there but the opportunities are not, the effort is not, and the coaching is not there. One of the major problems with Okafor right now is the usage. He's taking 4,5,6 shots a night. His value is as an offensive center but he's not a big part of the offense right now.

He is coming off of injury and his role on the team doesn't really help him. I still think he can be a good player. But "can" doesn't mean he will. The team should've dealt him the moment they knew Embiid was healthy (the off-season). This insurance policy thing has really hurt his development and simultaneously tanked his value. As bad as Okafor has looked, I'm sure he'll look better playing elsewhere than whatever the team gets in return for him.

[ankle420breaker]

No way to sugarcoat it, Okafor is amid a disappointing sophomore season. Aside from the obvious defensive/rebounding struggles, it's becoming clearer with each game that he'd be playing a significantly reduced role if he were to remain a Sixer. He's only effective as a powerhouse on the low block and if we can't free up more than ten FGA'S per game then we might as well look to part ways.

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[LloydFree]

I think his ceiling is Karl Malone. Personally I see the most likely outcome as him reaching his ceiling.

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August 1, 2016

Jesus. I sure hope that was sarcasm.

naw man. There are some gems in the various Okafor centric threads. Its like a few guys just didn't see how bad he was last year.

I get being hype on young players. Hell, I thought Evan Turner was gonna be a god predraft but Jah went from being a rich man's Al jefferson (which would be a very good player) predraft to being Karl Malone, Lamarcus Aldridge, and host of other ridiculous comparisons after a crappy rookie year and a few workout montages.

Not just some gems. There are pages and pages of comedy gold in the Welcome Okafor 2 thread. And most of the best stuff from the Prokafor comedy troup, was just this past off-season. It's a shame it only took 20 or so games this season to stop the show. It was tremendous while it lasted.

[kriss73]

I suppose we're not trading Jah ti Houston....

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Seriously: Okafor has to try to expand his game ASAP.

[rzzzzz]

small ball and the "modern game" was implemented by a Seattle Sonic Team that featured as good a perimeter rotation that's ever been seen. Dennis Johnson, Gus "the Wizard" Williams and Downtown Freddie Brown. fascinating couple of finals against the Bullets, who featured a stunning frontline who stayed in the paint. Seattle should have won both, but DJ faltered after putting the Sonics up the first series. then, right in their prime, the league up and passes the new 3 point rule, and sure enough, Brown takes full advantage. BUT: they get bumped off by a Lakers team with both Kareem and the rookie Magic Johnson operating in the paint. DJ would end up helping a suddenly talented and balanced Celtics team.

OLD School liked them big, but not as much as TALENT. and before GSW we had the Spurs and the (Shaq) Magic and the Lakers, all pounding the paint, cause they all had talent there. and definitely balanced by perimeter talent. we also saw what OKC nearly did to GSW last year with a big line-up, which they foolishly went away from as Durant was struggling. (come to think of it, didn't Pops, of all people, blow a series with the Lebron-Magic because he decided to go small at the end of game 6?)

[Slizeezyc]

small ball and the "modern game" was implemented by a Seattle Sonic Team that featured as good a perimeter rotation that's ever been seen. Dennis Johnson, Gus "the Wizard" Williams and Downtown Freddie Brown. fascinating couple of finals against the Bullets, who featured a stunning frontline who stayed in the paint. Seattle should have won both, but DJ faltered after putting the Sonics up the first series. then, right in their prime, the league up and passes the new 3 point rule, and sure enough, Brown takes full advantage. BUT: they get bumped off by a Lakers team with both Kareem and the rookie Magic Johnson operating in the paint. DJ would end up helping a suddenly talented and balanced Celtics team.

OLD School liked them big, but not as much as TALENT. and before GSW we had the Spurs and the (Shaq) Magic and the Lakers, all pounding the paint, cause they all had talent there. and definitely balanced by perimeter talent. we also saw what OKC nearly did to GSW last year with a big line-up, which they foolishly went away from as Durant was struggling. (come to think of it, didn't Pops, of all people, blow a series with the Lebron-Magic because he decided to go small at the end of game 6?)

Tim Duncan not getting a rebound and Manu missing FTs probably are the bigger reasons they lose that Game 6 to Miami. And Ray Allen.

Pop cost himself any chance against OKC last season by refusing to play small for sure, but they were doomed either way because unlike GSW, they weren't going to be able to score enough to mitigate the rebounding woes they would have either way.

The big lineup for OKC wasn't going as well by the end of the Warriors series either (it did do well early, and a Kanter version of it was also solid against the Spurs), so that's just sort of half true. Adams and Ibaka weren't as effective as going with Ibaka-KD-Roberson-Waiters-Westbrook by the end, which is still big wingspan wise, but doesn't have the same heft obviously.

[LloydFree]

small ball and the "modern game" was implemented by a Seattle Sonic Team that featured as good a perimeter rotation that's ever been seen. Dennis Johnson, Gus "the Wizard" Williams and Downtown Freddie Brown. fascinating couple of finals against the Bullets, who featured a stunning frontline who stayed in the paint. Seattle should have won both, but DJ faltered after putting the Sonics up the first series. then, right in their prime, the league up and passes the new 3 point rule, and sure enough, Brown takes full advantage. BUT: they get bumped off by a Lakers team with both Kareem and the rookie Magic Johnson operating in the paint. DJ would end up helping a suddenly talented and balanced Celtics team.

OLD School liked them big, but not as much as TALENT. and before GSW we had the Spurs and the (Shaq) Magic and the Lakers, all pounding the paint, cause they all had talent there. and definitely balanced by perimeter talent. we also saw what OKC nearly did to GSW last year with a big line-up, which they foolishly went away from as Durant was struggling. (come to think of it, didn't Pops, of all people, blow a series with the Lebron-Magic because he decided to go small at the end of game 6?)

Tim Duncan not getting a rebound and Manu missing FTs probably are the bigger reasons they lose that Game 6 to Miami. And Ray Allen.

Pop cost himself any chance against OKC last season by refusing to play small for sure, but they were doomed either way because unlike GSW, they weren't going to be able to score enough to mitigate the rebounding woes they would have either way.

The big lineup for OKC wasn't going as well by the end of the Warriors series either (it did do well early, and a Kanter version of it was also solid against the Spurs), so that's just sort of half true. Adams and Ibaka weren't as effective as going with Ibaka-KD-Roberson-Waiters-Westbrook by the end, which is still big wingspan wise, but doesn't have the same heft obviously.

A twin towers can work in today's game, you just have to have two towers that are versatile. If the Pelicans have Antony Davis and Serge Ibaka, that's a twin towers that will work. Cousins and Favors, that will work. You can't have a twin towers where one of the Towers can't guard either C or PF position and can't recognize what to do on switches or pick-n-rolls.

[sixers hoops]

small ball and the "modern game" was implemented by a Seattle Sonic Team that featured as good a perimeter rotation that's ever been seen. Dennis Johnson, Gus "the Wizard" Williams and Downtown Freddie Brown. fascinating couple of finals against the Bullets, who featured a stunning frontline who stayed in the paint. Seattle should have won both, but DJ faltered after putting the Sonics up the first series. then, right in their prime, the league up and passes the new 3 point rule, and sure enough, Brown takes full advantage. BUT: they get bumped off by a Lakers team with both Kareem and the rookie Magic Johnson operating in the paint. DJ would end up helping a suddenly talented and balanced Celtics team.

OLD School liked them big, but not as much as TALENT. and before GSW we had the Spurs and the (Shaq) Magic and the Lakers, all pounding the paint, cause they all had talent there. and definitely balanced by perimeter talent. we also saw what OKC nearly did to GSW last year with a big line-up, which they foolishly went away from as Durant was struggling. (come to think of it, didn't Pops, of all people, blow a series with the Lebron-Magic because he decided to go small at the end of game 6?)

Tim Duncan not getting a rebound and Manu missing FTs probably are the bigger reasons they lose that Game 6 to Miami. And Ray Allen.

Pop cost himself any chance against OKC last season by refusing to play small for sure, but they were doomed either way because unlike GSW, they weren't going to be able to score enough to mitigate the rebounding woes they would have either way.

The big lineup for OKC wasn't going as well by the end of the Warriors series either (it did do well early, and a Kanter version of it was also solid against the Spurs), so that's just sort of half true. Adams and Ibaka weren't as effective as going with Ibaka-KD-Roberson-Waiters-Westbrook by the end, which is still big wingspan wise, but doesn't have the same heft obviously.

A twin towers can work in today's game, you just have to have two towers that are versatile. If the Pelicans have Antony Davis and Serge Ibaka, that's a twin towers that will work. Cousins and Favors, that will work. You can't have a twin towers where one of the Towers can't guard either C or PF position and can't recognize what to do on switches or pick-n-rolls.

I thought Okafor has good offensive moves for his age but he looks small out there to me and overpowered in the NBA. I would have taken the best deal available in the summer, although in the summer I said best deal from any team other than the Celtics.

This season was supposed to focus on developing Embiid and Simmons. Not trying to find a way to salvage a bad draft pick.

Hinkie said that he would miss on some picks so he wanted to increase the number and quality of our draft picks. That way when you miss on Okafor and Noel, you still have potential stars in Embiid and Simmons. Okafor is in the way, so take the best offer and move on.

[Slizeezyc]

small ball and the "modern game" was implemented by a Seattle Sonic Team that featured as good a perimeter rotation that's ever been seen. Dennis Johnson, Gus "the Wizard" Williams and Downtown Freddie Brown. fascinating couple of finals against the Bullets, who featured a stunning frontline who stayed in the paint. Seattle should have won both, but DJ faltered after putting the Sonics up the first series. then, right in their prime, the league up and passes the new 3 point rule, and sure enough, Brown takes full advantage. BUT: they get bumped off by a Lakers team with both Kareem and the rookie Magic Johnson operating in the paint. DJ would end up helping a suddenly talented and balanced Celtics team.

OLD School liked them big, but not as much as TALENT. and before GSW we had the Spurs and the (Shaq) Magic and the Lakers, all pounding the paint, cause they all had talent there. and definitely balanced by perimeter talent. we also saw what OKC nearly did to GSW last year with a big line-up, which they foolishly went away from as Durant was struggling. (come to think of it, didn't Pops, of all people, blow a series with the Lebron-Magic because he decided to go small at the end of game 6?)

Tim Duncan not getting a rebound and Manu missing FTs probably are the bigger reasons they lose that Game 6 to Miami. And Ray Allen.

Pop cost himself any chance against OKC last season by refusing to play small for sure, but they were doomed either way because unlike GSW, they weren't going to be able to score enough to mitigate the rebounding woes they would have either way.

The big lineup for OKC wasn't going as well by the end of the Warriors series either (it did do well early, and a Kanter version of it was also solid against the Spurs), so that's just sort of half true. Adams and Ibaka weren't as effective as going with Ibaka-KD-Roberson-Waiters-Westbrook by the end, which is still big wingspan wise, but doesn't have the same heft obviously.

A twin towers can work in today's game, you just have to have two towers that are versatile. If the Pelicans have Antony Davis and Serge Ibaka, that's a twin towers that will work. Cousins and Favors, that will work. You can't have a twin towers where one of the Towers can't guard either C or PF position and can't recognize what to do on switches or pick-n-rolls.

Yeah I mean on some level I think it's stating the obvious to say "tall and skilled" is better than "small and skilled" but agreed either way.

PS, Favors looks really slow right now and the constant leg injuries concern me, but I get what you're saying.

[Sixersftw]

A twin towers can work in today's game, you just have to have two towers that are versatile. If the Pelicans have Antony Davis and Serge Ibaka, that's a twin towers that will work. Cousins and Favors, that will work. You can't have a twin towers where one of the Towers can't guard either C or PF position and can't recognize what to do on switches or pick-n-rolls.

I agree but I see so much talk about whats wrong with Jah's offense. I don't care about his offense at all. He's talented enough offensively, if flawed, that he could be a passable player if he was even a neutral to small negative on the other side of the ball but I've never watched this many games of a more inept team defender.

He does this one thing almost once a game that makes me want to drop kick a nun. A perimeter player blows by his man or gets his man on his hip and instead of Jah stopping the ball or forcing him to the sidelines or just getting his hands up to bother the shot he turns around to box out his man. Like completely faces away from the ball prior to a shot being put up. I'm sure its an over correction from last year when he started the year (somehow) rebounding even worse than his norm but it's like the guy can't figure out the order of operations on defense.

I feel like this pick facilitated a lot of terrible crap both organizationally and among the fan base. Just keep telling myself it doesn't matter b/c of Simmons and Jojo.

[LloydFree]

A twin towers can work in today's game, you just have to have two towers that are versatile. If the Pelicans have Antony Davis and Serge Ibaka, that's a twin towers that will work. Cousins and Favors, that will work. You can't have a twin towers where one of the Towers can't guard either C or PF position and can't recognize what to do on switches or pick-n-rolls.

I agree but I see so much talk about whats wrong with Jah's offense. I don't care about his offense at all. He's talented enough offensively, if flawed, that he could be a passable player if he was even a neutral to small negative on the other side of the ball but I've never watched this many games of a more inept team defender.

He does this one thing almost once a game that makes me want to drop kick a nun. A perimeter player blows by his man or gets his man on his hip and instead of Jah stopping the ball or forcing him to the sidelines or just getting his hands up to bother the shot he turns around to box out his man. Like completely faces away from the ball prior to a shot being put up. I'm sure its an over correction from last year when he started the year (somehow) rebounding even worse than his norm but it's like the guy can't figure out the order of operations on defense.

I feel like this pick facilitated a lot of terrible crap both organizationally and among the fan base. Just keep telling myself it doesn't matter b/c of Simmons and Jojo.

That's the Kevin Love and Nik Vucevic move. But they hunt Rebounds that way. Jah doesn't even have the decency to grab the rebound!

[rzzzzz]

I thought Okafor has good offensive moves for his age but he looks small out there to me and overpowered in the NBA.

i got to say, last year his best games were against KP, Boogie and especially KAT. he can drive on NBA bigs, he can guard NBA bids, one on one. acceleration, hops, cover defense? no. he absolutely has to play on a team with superior perimeter defense. maybe he needs to play zone. as far as we're concerned, all that matters is if he has any chemistry with Embiid. if not, someone somewhere else will figure him out.

[sixers hoops]

I thought Okafor has good offensive moves for his age but he looks small out there to me and overpowered in the NBA.

i got to say, last year his best games were against KP, Boogie and especially KAT. he can drive on NBA bigs, he can guard NBA bids, one on one. acceleration, hops, cover defense? no. he absolutely has to play on a team with superior perimeter defense. maybe he needs to play zone. as far as we're concerned, all that matters is if he has any chemistry with Embiid. if not, someone somewhere else will figure him out.

I feel like I've been down this road with Evan Turner, Dom Brown, Sam Bradford, etc. You invested a premium asset to acquire a player, so when they aren't successful you have to try to find a way to make them successful, since you want the return you paid for.

You blame the the coaches, the receivers,the management yanking the player back and forth, the swing, the teammates, the system, but in the end they are just not what you projected.

If Jah isn't a top 3 player on a contender, and fits horribly with our star, then move him.

[Unbreakable99]

I thought Okafor has good offensive moves for his age but he looks small out there to me and overpowered in the NBA.

i got to say, last year his best games were against KP, Boogie and especially KAT. he can drive on NBA bigs, he can guard NBA bids, one on one. acceleration, hops, cover defense? no. he absolutely has to play on a team with superior perimeter defense. maybe he needs to play zone. as far as we're concerned, all that matters is if he has any chemistry with Embiid. if not, someone somewhere else will figure him out.

He's just not a player who can play 30 minutes on a very good team. He's flawed.

[Arsenal]

He doesn't fit and needs to go. Take the first decent offer and move on before his value goes down even further.

[Unbreakable99]

He doesn't fit and needs to go. Take the FIRST OFFER and move on before his value goes down even further.

Fixed.

[Arsenal]

Eh, it's not worth trading him if we can't at least get a mid 1st rounder, either this year or projected in a future draft. If not, might as well hold on to him until the deadline and hope we get a better offer.