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The Ben Simmons Megathread

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1161 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:40 pm

Hey guys,

As some of you guys might know, I have a new basketball front office site (see below). I spent some time after undergrad / before law school working with the Tulsa Shock's front office and just decided to start a new site discussing trades, player and game evaluations, signings, and other front office related stuff. I've been posting it on RealGM, Reddit, LinkedIN (got some comments from FO execs and agents), Facebook, and Twitter and I've gotten some pretty good feedback so far.

I wrote analysis on the Bledsoe trade and just wrote a 9 game analysis on Frank (I just got access to Synergy, so I have clips, better stats, and better analysis for this one), if you guys wanna check that out.

Would you guys be interested in a writeup on Simmons? I am also planning on doing one on RoCo (LOVE him).
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1162 » by B-Ball Freak » Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:46 pm

Dudes jump shot mechanics is UGLY, its like he is trying to push shoot everything, he needs to completely change that or he will never be a decent shooter.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1163 » by Unbreakable99 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:10 am

This is a good tweet. Simmons needs to shoot better in the coming years.

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1164 » by spikeslovechild » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:35 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:This is a good tweet. Simmons needs to shoot better in the coming years.

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Agreed but I appreciate him not forcing up shots he cant make atm. His offensive game may be limited right now but but it's not broken.

He also has that 5 foot hook and push shot that has shown to be very effective in close. His J will come in time. Lebron didn't enter the league with J either and he still isn't a great jumpshooter. Just needs to be good enough keep them honest at the 3PT line and not allow them to sag.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1165 » by Ericb5 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:17 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:This is a good tweet. Simmons needs to shoot better in the coming years.

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I wonder when he is going to take his first real 3 point shot. All of the ones that he has taken so far have been last second desperation heaves at the basket.




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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1166 » by Simmons25 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:25 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:
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LOL... he actually makes a half valid point. He also isn't that bad a passer :wink:
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1167 » by Kolkmania » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:53 am

It's just incredible how good and valuable Simmons has been for us while he has so much work to do regarding his jump shot, finishing around the basket and off-ball usage.

That's what makes me most excited, he'll have rough times but he has so much room to improve that I cannot imagine how big his impact will be if he figures some things out. There are prospects in the NBA who have a better all-around developed game, but they'll never come close to Simmons ceiling because of his elite physical attributes in combination with his BBIQ.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1168 » by SexDrugsPnR » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:01 pm



lol, the cringey australian reporters omg :D

asking about the olympics? seriously? they realize that's in 2020?
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1169 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:13 pm

Im watching the replay of the clipps game. What does the Amir/Ben pick and roll achieve? Defense will just switch. I can't understand why Ben wont play PnR with TLC or any guard out there instead. Maybe let Amir space the floor then (im confident with him as a spot up shooter)
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1170 » by Kobblehead » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:45 pm

76ciology wrote:Im watching the replay of the clipps game. What does the Amir/Ben pick and roll achieve? Defense will just switch. I can't understand why Ben wont play PnR with TLC or any guard out there instead. Maybe let Amir space the floor then (im confident with him as a spot up shooter)

The whole point of the P&R is to create space for the ball handler or force a switch onto a bigger, less agile defender that the ball handler can exploit.

You shouldn't run P&R between guards because:

Smaller players like undersized wings and guards can't set good screens.

and

There's no exploitable switch because it would just be a wing for wing exchange, defensively.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1171 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:58 pm

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76ciology wrote:Im watching the replay of the clipps game. What does the Amir/Ben pick and roll achieve? Defense will just switch. I can't understand why Ben wont play PnR with TLC or any guard out there instead. Maybe let Amir space the floor then (im confident with him as a spot up shooter)

The whole point of the P&R is to create space for the ball handler or force a switch onto a bigger, less agile defender that the ball handler can exploit.

You shouldn't run P&R between guards because:

Smaller players like undersized wings and guards can't set good screens.

and

There's no exploitable switch because it would just be a wing for wing exchange, defensively.


1.) I think Ben can score over smaller SG or PGs, if they ever switch.
2.) I think Ben can score easier using his floaters and other tricks over point guards or shooting guards than having to worry about Embiid or Amir's defender in the paint playing goalee
3.) Ben can't take advantage of lesser agile Cs because both Ben's defender and opponent's center is both at the paint since Ben runs PnR close to the basket (elbow area)

Not saying we completely change our offense. Maybe i just want some variety (like the JJ-Biid PnR we see often).
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1173 » by cksdayoff » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:34 pm

what i love about ben is his disregard for the players on the other team. he aint there to make friends and won’t help you up, case in point when austin rivers ran into him following a simmons dunk, ben just looked at him while rivers was laying on the ground and walked past him lol. other sixers definitely wouldve helped him up but ben doesnt’t give a s****
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1174 » by 76ciology » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:11 am

No one can deny that Ben Simmons is very good.

But I say a part of it is how we build(consciously or unconsciously) a team and system that benefits him. Its tough to thrive as a ball dominant pass first PG. Our dribble drive system can create bigger separation after one pass/movement to another pass/movement.

It's also tough to run a 4-5 PnR. Imagine say we have Noel at C instead. Defense will just switch their PFs at Noel and I doubt he has the capability to produce high points per possessions shots. While we have elite 3pt shooters that a little sag on the strong side is already considered as good looks for them.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1175 » by Simmons25 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:46 am

Interesting to hear a few Clippers supporters making comments on videos about having just been at the game and they couldn't believe the size of Simmons in the flesh. They said he stood next to DeAndre Jordan and that he almost looked the same height.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1176 » by NJ SixerFan » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:58 pm

cksdayoff wrote:what i love about ben is his disregard for the players on the other team. he aint there to make friends and won’t help you up, case in point when austin rivers ran into him following a simmons dunk, ben just looked at him while rivers was laying on the ground and walked past him lol. other sixers definitely wouldve helped him up but ben doesnt’t give a s****

That's honestly what I love about Simmons and Embiid. They may be players that bring some rivalry and passion to want to attack and beat other great players. We can already see Embiid trash talking everyone he goes against and certainly not making any friends on the court and so far appears simmons will do the same. I expect him to go hard at lonzo tonight.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1177 » by Ericb5 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:49 pm

Simmons25 wrote:Interesting to hear a few Clippers supporters making comments on videos about having just been at the game and they couldn't believe the size of Simmons in the flesh. They said he stood next to DeAndre Jordan and that he almost looked the same height.


Well he actually IS almost the same height. They are less than an inch apart.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1178 » by _Joker » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:27 am

SexDrugsPnR wrote:

lol, the cringey australian reporters omg :D

asking about the olympics? seriously? they realize that's in 2020?


You've got to understand that since we were robbed of Kyrie (jokes), and Exum having worrying injury issues, having a potential superstar in the making is a big deal down here.

Then couple that with our constant capitulations in the Olympics when it gets to crunch time - and there you have your cringey questions.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1179 » by sixers78 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:36 am

spikeslovechild wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:This is a good tweet. Simmons needs to shoot better in the coming years.

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Agreed but I appreciate him not forcing up shots he cant make atm. His offensive game may be limited right now but but it's not broken.

He also has that 5 foot hook and push shot that has shown to be very effective in close. His J will come in time. Lebron didn't enter the league with J either and he still isn't a great jumpshooter. Just needs to be good enough keep them honest at the 3PT line and not allow them to sag.


Lebron James actually shot the ball and did solid given his %'s. I don't see the comparison with Ben Simmons whose sample size of jumpers vs Brons isn't nearly the same. People say Bron didn't has a jumper coming in but he gave everyone an idea how far he was from having one. Much closer than Ben. If Ben can be as good or close to what Brons jumper is? I'll be happy. But he is behind the 8 ball there.

At age 21 Bron shot 33-34% from 3. Made over 100 3's. Ben is 0-7 from 3 so far this season. Worlds apart.

I'll be happy if he adds a reliable 15 foot middie to his game. And later on corner 3's.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1180 » by sixers78 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:37 am

The whole team has been passing so much better than I've seen. Ben Simmons effect for sure. Contagious

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