Tobias Harris Trade Thread

[the_process]

Sam Amick of the Athletic just dropped a piece that says the Sixers have a plan to sign Harden outright in the off-season, but are hoping to make a trade happen today or tomorrow. I'm guessing if they take it to 230pm and don't get a deal done for Harden, we will see Tobias and Ben traded for expirings.

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I would be good with that.Cap space allows for a lot of optionality. Especially max cap space in a year where only a couple of other teams have it, and they are in small markets.

[ProcessDoctor]

LAC out: Covington
LAC in: TPE

OKC out: Favors
OKC in: Harris, PHI 2024 FRP swap, PHI 2025 FRP protections removed

PHI out: Harris, 2024 FRP swap, 2025 FRP protections removed
PHI in: Covington, Favors

Maxey/Milton/Springer
Harden/Green/Joe
Thybulle/Niang/Korkmaz
Covington/Millsap/Reed
Embiid/Favors/Bassey


Edit: Changed after Harden trade became official!!!

[phiphan]

Any hope of a last minute call from the Governor?

[FlyingArrow]

I hope we keep Tobias at least for this year. The issue is his salary. But now with Harden in the mix, we aren't getting cap space anyway. What Tobias trade would actually improve the roster? Seems like all it would do is improve the balance sheet.

[spikeslovechild]

Come on guys your dream of moving Tobias is dead. Finally time to put a stake through the terrible takes in this thread

[Arsenal]

Come on guys your dream of moving Tobias is dead. Finally time to put a stake through the terrible takes in this thread

Made perfect sense to move him if we needed cap for Harden.

Now that we don't, we'll obviously keep him and make a run.

We can reassess re:financial and luxury tax issues in the offseason.

[the_process]

Come on guys your dream of moving Tobias is dead. Finally time to put a stake through the terrible takes in this thread

We will definitely be revisiting this thread in May or June.

[mjkvol]

Come on guys your dream of moving Tobias is dead. Finally time to put a stake through the terrible takes in this thread

We will definitely be revisiting this thread in May or June.

Agreed, but hopefully not before late June.

[Zumramania]

Come on guys your dream of moving Tobias is dead. Finally time to put a stake through the terrible takes in this thread

Well we'll see what happens after another classic Tobias performance (questionable defense, choker offensively) from second round onward in the PO. Him and Doc need to go IMO if we want to win anything, but we will see.

[the_process]

Come on guys your dream of moving Tobias is dead. Finally time to put a stake through the terrible takes in this thread

Well we'll see what happens after another classic Tobias performance (questionable defense, choker offensively) from second round onward in the PO. Him and Doc need to go IMO if we want to win anything, but we will see.

Agreed, but coaching is a longer term issue. I think they would have to flame out early this year and next before Glenn is truly in trouble. Tobias is a now issue they couldn't adequately address because Captain Ahab needed to catch Moby Dick.

[spikeslovechild]

Tobias to lal
Westbrook/1st to Hou
Wall to phi

Shaves a year off Tobias, could use wall as Filler in an off season deal and gets us a guard now looking for another chance.

Tobias can still play. Wall has played 70 games in 4 years. This would have been a terrible trade even before Harden.

I mean look what CJ McCollum was moved for is he a bit better? Sure. But he has health concerns his contract is worse and he was essentially moved for expirings and movable shortterm deals plus a 1st round pick

There is more money than max contract worthy players out there in the NBA. After seeing who got moved at the deadline I don't think his contract was ever as unmovable as people on this board thought but I am also glad we don't have to find out because unlike some here I am not obsessed with how much the team pays in tax.

What this team needs is an upgrade over Green at SF, a backup PG, and a backup center. That is where the focus should be. I was kind of hoping we'd swap Green for TJ Warren who the pacers were rumored to have made available but since he didn't get moved at all they must have wanted too much or teams feel he won't play this year

[SixthStreet]

Tobias has never been the 3rd scorer on a roster. Will that help? I don't know but interested in seeing if that will help him with his 3 trigger and a higher volume of mismatches.

He still won't be the beneficiary of transition offense seeing as Harden fits right into the snail-like pace we play at.

[the_process]

Tobias has never been the 3rd scorer on a roster. Will that help? I don't know but interested in seeing if that will help him with his 3 trigger and a higher volume of mismatches.

He still won't be the beneficiary of transition offense seeing as Harden fits right into the snail-like pace we play at.

Yeah he has, the year Butler was here. Listen, he doesn't fit and has to go. But nothing to do about it now.

[SixthStreet]

Tobias has never been the 3rd scorer on a roster. Will that help? I don't know but interested in seeing if that will help him with his 3 trigger and a higher volume of mismatches.

He still won't be the beneficiary of transition offense seeing as Harden fits right into the snail-like pace we play at.

Yeah he has, the year Butler was here. Listen, he doesn't fit and has to go. But nothing to do about it now.

True, forgot about that. That said, Harden is on another planet as an offensive player than Butler so maybe he can unlock Harris like no one has before. But like you I'm a long time Harris skeptic so I'm doubtful.

[spikeslovechild]

What exactly are you unlocking?

Since 2018 the year he was traded to the Sixers he is averaging .488 FG percentage. .380 3PT percentage. .580 TS percentage. .132 WS/48 percentage. 8.2 VORP. 19.6 PTS on 23.5 USG.

Last year he averaged 19.5 PTS. Shot .512 from the floor. .394 on 3's. Look I get it he isn't a superstar but he's still a good player and he is a big reason why we are where we are in the east despite Simmons being gone. He was literally having the offense run through him as the 2nd option behind Embiid. Yes he struggled early but non superstar have hot and cold stretches especially when they are being asked to have a much larger role then they probably should have on offense.

Look I'm never going to convince some people. For some reason when they look at Harris all they see is his contract instead of a very good player but I would think he showed last year that he can play a 3rd banana role just fine behind Embiid and Simmons (even if Simmons wasn't shooting the offense was being run through him) if he continues as he is playing or even regresses back to how he was playing last year I'd be more than happy.

[stormi]

I'm sure Morey could have dumped off Harris yesterday if he so pleased. He probably wanted to give Embiid and Harden some sort of consistent scoring around them. I don't love Harris, or his game, but this is as good as it's going to get for him. He's now playing with two monsters that will command a double at essentially all times. He needs to shoot well, rebound and score timely buckets.

[Arsenal]

What exactly are you unlocking?

Since 2018 the year he was traded to the Sixers he is averaging .488 FG percentage. .380 3PT percentage. .580 TS percentage. .132 WS/48 percentage. 8.2 VORP. 19.6 PTS on 23.5 USG.

Last year he averaged 19.5 PTS. Shot .512 from the floor. .394 on 3's. Look I get it he isn't a superstar but he's still a good player and he is a big reason why we are where we are in the east despite Simmons being gone. He was literally having the offense run through him as the 2nd option behind Embiid. Yes he struggled early but non superstar have hot and cold stretches especially when they are being asked to have a much larger role then they probably should have on offense.

Look I'm never going to convince some people. For some reason when they look at Harris all they see is his contract instead of a very good player but I would think he showed last year that he can play a 3rd banana role just fine behind Embiid and Simmons (even if Simmons wasn't shooting the offense was being run through him) if he continues as he is playing or even regresses back to how he was playing last year I'd be more than happy.

I basically agree. The biggest reason to move Harris was because he was an impediment to getting our 2nd superstar to pair with Embiid.

Now that we have Harden, the incentive to move Harris is way less. It will be difficult to find an upgrade without burning a lot of assets.

He should be fine as #3 in our big 3. Perhaps very good if he lets it fly from 3 off the catch. He's about to see the best looks of his career.

[Negrodamus]

I think if you look at Harris/Maxey as the #3 in the the big three, you can come to terms that we have a legitimate run to the championship with this core. They aren't role players, but a low level star and an up and coming scoring guard. Their numbers will likely dip a bit, but the efficiency should jump a decent amount since James is going to attract the other team's elite perimeter defender and Embiid obviously gets the attention of the teams best frontcourt defender. Tobi and Maxey should be able to feast on what's left.

[ProcessDoctor]

This summer, I'm looking at something revolving around Harris for Bojan Bogdanovic or Doug McDermott, then using the MLE to sign a 3&D PF.

Harden/Maxey/Springer
Green/Korkmaz/Milton
Thybulle/Bogdanovic/Joe
MLE/Niang/Reed
Embiid/(Vet Min)/Bassey

Green, Bogie, Niang, MLE all bombing from 3 with Harden running the show alongside a lob threat backup C (Drummond return?). Maxey and Tisse will hopefully start launching 3's at a higher clip at some point too.

[DHM]

Tobi should benefit quite a bit with Harden I imagine there will be plenty of space for him to attack down hill