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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1181 » by 76ciology » Tue May 2, 2017 3:59 am

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Can the Rockets win the title?


They've always been my bet as GSW's rival in the west.

I think 3s and playing the right way can bridge any gap in talent.

If Rox 3s heats up at the right time, they can win it. Think of back then when Mavs had demi god Dirk.
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Post#1182 » by 76ciology » Tue May 2, 2017 4:06 am

Hate to say this but for me Pop/Buford have heen complacent recently. He needs to be more creative with his roster or his game plan.

While the elite teams are hoarding under the radar wings, tweeners and dunk+block bigs, they are hoarding left over bigs. Korver, Deron or McGee would have been great for them.

The Spurs that was toe to toe with the Heat had more gears to shift to counter their opponent. This spurs team is a paper tiger that is relying too much on Kawhi.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1183 » by shawn_hemp » Tue May 2, 2017 4:16 am

76ciology wrote:Hate to say this but for me Pop/Buford have heen complacent recently. He needs to be more creative with his roster or his game plan.

While the elite teams are hoarding under the radar wings, tweeners and dunk+block bigs, they are hoarding left over bigs. Korver, Deron or McGee would have been great for them.

The Spurs that was toe to toe with the Heat had more gears to shift to counter their opponent. This spurs team is a paper tiger that is relying too much on Kawhi.


Just at a complete guess, the Spurs have to be the oldest team in the league right? As far as average age goes?

they need to try and get steals more often, just contesting the Rockets shots isn't enough because they are shooting with the complete confidence of the entire team and coach behind them. There really aren't any bad shots for this team, and I feel like that allows the players to play a little bit looser.

I don't get the people who say they can't stand watching Harden though. Sure, he can get some pretty fabricated foul calls to get to the free throw line but you still gotta make the free throws you know? How many guys have been masters at getting to the line but were subpar FT shooters? Tyreke Evans is the first one who comes to mind, and I just realized James Harden is basically what I thought Tyreke would be
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1184 » by 76ciology » Tue May 2, 2017 4:23 am

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76ciology wrote:Hate to say this but for me Pop/Buford have heen complacent recently. He needs to be more creative with his roster or his game plan.

While the elite teams are hoarding under the radar wings, tweeners and dunk+block bigs, they are hoarding left over bigs. Korver, Deron or McGee would have been great for them.

The Spurs that was toe to toe with the Heat had more gears to shift to counter their opponent. This spurs team is a paper tiger that is relying too much on Kawhi.


Just at a complete guess, the Spurs have to be the oldest team in the league right? As far as average age goes?

they need to try and get steals more often, just contesting the Rockets shots isn't enough because they are shooting with the complete confidence of the entire team and coach behind them. There really aren't any bad shots for this team, and I feel like that allows the players to play a little bit looser.

I don't get the people who say they can't stand watching Harden though. Sure, he can get some pretty fabricated foul calls to get to the free throw line but you still gotta make the free throws you know? How many guys have been masters at getting to the line but were subpar FT shooters? Tyreke Evans is the first one who comes to mind, and I just realized James Harden is basically what I thought Tyreke would be


Tough to get steals when theres supreme spacing and the ball kept on moving.

The way I see it, maybe they let Kawhi guard Harden then switch the PnR. I think Kawhi can defend Capella or Nene at the post.

Offensively, I wont dump the ball to LMA unless its a mismatch off a switch. If Rox don't switch on PnRs, Spurs needs to rotate the ball and the shooters need to step up.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1185 » by Sixerscan » Tue May 2, 2017 4:45 am

76ciology wrote:
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76ciology wrote:Hate to say this but for me Pop/Buford have heen complacent recently. He needs to be more creative with his roster or his game plan.

While the elite teams are hoarding under the radar wings, tweeners and dunk+block bigs, they are hoarding left over bigs. Korver, Deron or McGee would have been great for them.

The Spurs that was toe to toe with the Heat had more gears to shift to counter their opponent. This spurs team is a paper tiger that is relying too much on Kawhi.


Just at a complete guess, the Spurs have to be the oldest team in the league right? As far as average age goes?

they need to try and get steals more often, just contesting the Rockets shots isn't enough because they are shooting with the complete confidence of the entire team and coach behind them. There really aren't any bad shots for this team, and I feel like that allows the players to play a little bit looser.

I don't get the people who say they can't stand watching Harden though. Sure, he can get some pretty fabricated foul calls to get to the free throw line but you still gotta make the free throws you know? How many guys have been masters at getting to the line but were subpar FT shooters? Tyreke Evans is the first one who comes to mind, and I just realized James Harden is basically what I thought Tyreke would be


Tough to get steals when theres supreme spacing and the ball kept on moving.

The way I see it, maybe they let Kawhi guard Harden then switch the PnR. I think Kawhi can defend Capella or Nene at the post.

Offensively, I wont dump the ball to LMA unless its a mismatch off a switch. If Rox don't switch on PnRs, Spurs needs to rotate the ball and the shooters need to step up.


Kahwi can't cover Harden for 40 minutes while being the only guy on offense that can create a shot. And Kawhi defending the post is less the concern there than having a big man on Harden.

Not sure if there's any big adjustment the Spurs can make. Just need everyone else on that roster to play better and hope the Rockets don't shoot like that again.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1186 » by eagereyez » Tue May 2, 2017 4:51 am

Rockets have the best shot against GSW in the West. If they can get hot from 3, they can beat anyone. I'm rooting for them to reach the finals.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1187 » by 76ciology » Tue May 2, 2017 5:13 am

The way I see it, playoffs is just a 3pt contest. Depends on volume/quality of threes. Spurs have a shooters but they can't shoot that well in volume.

Rockets? They'll more than happily happy in jacking up those shots. Some guys on their roster's purpose on life is just Jacking up 3s
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Post#1188 » by Ericb5 » Tue May 2, 2017 7:02 am

Half way through the season I thought that there were only 3 contenders in the league with GS, San Antonio, and Cleveland, but Houston has stepped into that group.

I just think that Cleveland is the heavy favorite unless Lebron gets hurt.


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Post#1189 » by Ericb5 » Tue May 2, 2017 7:08 am

76ciology wrote:The way I see it, playoffs is just a 3pt contest. Depends on volume/quality of threes. Spurs have a shooters but they can't shoot that well in volume.

Rockets? They'll more than happily happy in jacking up those shots. Some guys on their roster's purpose on life is just Jacking up 3s


The league has to do something about this. The whole 3pt contest brand of basketball is boring in comparison to where the game was ten years ago.

The 3 point shot has become so routine that every possession is basically just an attempt to get an open 3 point shot. I really think that they need to move the line back another foot or so just to maintain the 3pt shot as a bomb, and not just a routine possession.

The shot needs to be something that only the best shooters can hit at a high percentage.


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Post#1190 » by 76ciology » Tue May 2, 2017 7:38 am

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76ciology wrote:The way I see it, playoffs is just a 3pt contest. Depends on volume/quality of threes. Spurs have a shooters but they can't shoot that well in volume.

Rockets? They'll more than happily happy in jacking up those shots. Some guys on their roster's purpose on life is just Jacking up 3s


The league has to do something about this. The whole 3pt contest brand of basketball is boring in comparison to where the game was ten years ago.

The 3 point shot has become so routine that every possession is basically just an attempt to get an open 3 point shot. I really think that they need to move the line back another foot or so just to maintain the 3pt shot as a bomb, and not just a routine possession.

The shot needs to be something that only the best shooters can hit at a high percentage.


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The reason for 3s is it's tough to stop penetrations without handcheck that most teams plays sort of a zone D that opens up shooters. How hawks plays D against LBJ last play-offs.

It's really one or the other. Free flow + 3s or conservative + post/isos. Personally I prefer the current way the game is played. Less bricks, less FTs, more variations (read and react) and more highlights.

Teams who don't like a high scoring and 3pt heavy game just switches all screens and make it a post/iso game.

I also believe that a heavy 3 game is leaning towards parity. The power of 3s can bridge the gap in talent difference. If you can shoot 3s and play it right, you can spurs your way into winning. And I think Rox will try to prove that against the Warriors.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1191 » by 76ciology » Tue May 2, 2017 7:49 am

Ericb5 wrote:Half way through the season I thought that there were only 3 contenders in the league with GS, San Antonio, and Cleveland, but Houston has stepped into that group.

I just think that Cleveland is the heavy favorite unless Lebron gets hurt.


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I give a slight edge to the Warriors. They have the personnel to slowdown LBJ. But I think it will be a lot closer because Cavs got the edge in overall shooting and bench depth.

I also expect Warriors to 1-3 PnR their way with an Kyrie on KD match-up on ISO. Good on paper but I have my doubts on KD in the play-offs.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1192 » by Ericb5 » Tue May 2, 2017 8:51 am

76ciology wrote:
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76ciology wrote:The way I see it, playoffs is just a 3pt contest. Depends on volume/quality of threes. Spurs have a shooters but they can't shoot that well in volume.

Rockets? They'll more than happily happy in jacking up those shots. Some guys on their roster's purpose on life is just Jacking up 3s


The league has to do something about this. The whole 3pt contest brand of basketball is boring in comparison to where the game was ten years ago.

The 3 point shot has become so routine that every possession is basically just an attempt to get an open 3 point shot. I really think that they need to move the line back another foot or so just to maintain the 3pt shot as a bomb, and not just a routine possession.

The shot needs to be something that only the best shooters can hit at a high percentage.


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The reason for 3s is it's tough to stop penetrations without handcheck that most teams plays sort of a zone D that opens up shooters. How hawks plays D against LBJ last play-offs.

It's really one or the other. Free flow + 3s or conservative + post/isos. Personally I prefer the current way the game is played. Less bricks, less FTs, more variations (read and react) and more highlights.

Teams who don't like a high scoring and 3pt heavy game just switches all screens and make it a post/iso game.

I also believe that a heavy 3 game is leaning towards parity. The power of 3s can bridge the gap in talent difference. If you can shoot 3s and play it right, you can spurs your way into winning. And I think Rox will try to prove that against the Warriors.


I agree that the open game is better than the hand check game, but the shot has gotten too easy, and the whole idea of stretch 4's is antithetical to basketball. I want REAL 4's back.

Spacing is nice, but you would still have plenty of spacing if they moved the shot back. I just want 25% fewer 3's taken per game. Let the teams actually fight it out inside the arc instead of outside of it.


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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1193 » by Ericb5 » Tue May 2, 2017 8:55 am

76ciology wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:Half way through the season I thought that there were only 3 contenders in the league with GS, San Antonio, and Cleveland, but Houston has stepped into that group.

I just think that Cleveland is the heavy favorite unless Lebron gets hurt.


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I give a slight edge to the Warriors. They have the personnel to slowdown LBJ. But I think it will be a lot closer because Cavs got the edge in overall shooting and bench depth.

I also expect Warriors to 1-3 PnR their way with an Kyrie on KD match-up on ISO. Good on paper but I have my doubts on KD in the play-offs.


I think that Lebron is at a point in his career where the team that he is on is the favorite in every series. Not a slam dunk by any stretch, by the favorite.

I remember when Jordan was 32, and for the next few years he just carried the team. In 96 they were the obvious best team, but in 97 and 98 they were just like this Cavs team, and they won both titles because they had Jordan, who couldn't be denied. I think Lebron is in that category right now.


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Post#1194 » by 76ciology » Tue May 2, 2017 9:30 am

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Ericb5 wrote:Half way through the season I thought that there were only 3 contenders in the league with GS, San Antonio, and Cleveland, but Houston has stepped into that group.

I just think that Cleveland is the heavy favorite unless Lebron gets hurt.


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I give a slight edge to the Warriors. They have the personnel to slowdown LBJ. But I think it will be a lot closer because Cavs got the edge in overall shooting and bench depth.

I also expect Warriors to 1-3 PnR their way with an Kyrie on KD match-up on ISO. Good on paper but I have my doubts on KD in the play-offs.


I think that Lebron is at a point in his career where the team that he is on is the favorite in every series. Not a slam dunk by any stretch, by the favorite.

I remember when Jordan was 32, and for the next few years he just carried the team. In 96 they were the obvious best team, but in 97 and 98 they were just like this Cavs team, and they won both titles because they had Jordan, who couldn't be denied. I think Lebron is in that category right now.


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I see your point. If you think of it, the team that has the best player in a series always has the edge (thus the importance of having a top 5 player to win championship). And LBJ is the best player in the world right now. It's just that I feel Warriors have the edge on their last two series. I also think Warriors got 3 legit forwards who can slow him down with Iggy, Dray and KD. If Dray wasn't suspended in last year's finals, I dont think Warriors can lose that 3-1 lead.

And now I just feel Warriors is a much better team. Its just I'm not confident with KD that Im not comfortable to say they are a clear favorite.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1195 » by TTP » Tue May 2, 2017 11:03 am

Ericb5 wrote:Half way through the season I thought that there were only 3 contenders in the league with GS, San Antonio, and Cleveland, but Houston has stepped into that group.

I just think that Cleveland is the heavy favorite unless Lebron gets hurt.


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In no way is Cleveland the heavy favorite. GS is far greater than 50% to win the championship right now. 538 has them 69%. I'd gladly give someone Cleveland vs GS at even money.
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Post#1196 » by Ericb5 » Tue May 2, 2017 11:48 am

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Ericb5 wrote:Half way through the season I thought that there were only 3 contenders in the league with GS, San Antonio, and Cleveland, but Houston has stepped into that group.

I just think that Cleveland is the heavy favorite unless Lebron gets hurt.


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In no way is Cleveland the heavy favorite. GS is far greater than 50% to win the championship right now. 538 has them 69%. I'd gladly give someone Cleveland vs GS at even money.


I meant that I consider them the heavy favorite. I have no idea what vegas would say.

Vegas probably had the Warriors as a heavy favorite last year too.


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Post#1197 » by Unbreakable99 » Tue May 2, 2017 1:45 pm

I think Boston matches up pretty well with Cleveland should they meet. I think Boston would beat Cleveland.
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Post#1198 » by shawn_hemp » Wed May 3, 2017 2:40 am

This Wiz/Celtics game 2 has been great
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Post#1199 » by Unbreakable99 » Wed May 3, 2017 3:05 am

People say you can't win a title with a 5'9 lead player. He said you can. There is no proof you can't. I think the Celtics will beat the Cavs and go to the title series. The Celtics are peaking at the right time. Bradley is the best man to man defender I have ever seen. They play great defense and can score a lot and make 3s.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1200 » by eagereyez » Wed May 3, 2017 3:14 am

Lebron will slap the Celtics like he always does.

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