Markelle Fultz Discussion II

[JojoSlimbiid]

I guess we're just posting tweets from random civilians with no tangible connection to anything basketball related?

Also someone can't see that there is a painful need for another creator(as in someone who can actually dribble srry Lonzo,Mitchell, and Monk) on the team from the perimeter I don't really know what to tell you. Especially as Ben seems to be playing more and more off ball.

[BullyKing]

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Enough. You've made your opinion quite clear. You've now resorted to posting the twitter thoughts of a first year law student.

[spikeslovechild]

Anyone who has watched the games or been paying attention to the roster knew going in our number one need was a guard. Not only someone who can create for others like you said but someone who can create for themselves. We literally have noone that I sort of trust to create a good look for themselves at the end of games or late in the shot clock.

Which is alright but it's a major hole in the roster and it's part of the reason we blow leads.

[crazy_me_87]

Anyone who has watched the games or been paying attention to the roster knew going in our number one need was a guard. Not only someone who can create for others like you said but someone who can create for themselves. We literally have noone that I sort of trust to create a good look for themselves at the end of games or late in the shot clock.

Which is alright but it's a major hole in the roster and it's part of the reason we blow leads.

And thats where a healthy and hopefully confident Fultz comes in and fits in beatifully. He never projected to be a True PG anyway.. he is better at the 2 as Combo guard. Think Brandon Roy esque. Or even Pre PG Harden. Best case of course.

Embiid is still learning how to create his own Shots and Ben while good at it wont be the one you want to take a tough shot when a Possessions fails and the Shot clock runs down. A guy who is not only athletic but also creative like Fultz is ideal for that Role.

[OleSchool]

Anyone who has watched the games or been paying attention to the roster knew going in our number one need was a guard. Not only someone who can create for others like you said but someone who can create for themselves. We literally have noone that I sort of trust to create a good look for themselves at the end of games or late in the shot clock.

Which is alright but it's a major hole in the roster and it's part of the reason we blow leads.

and I dont know what the big deal about trading the pick is

1) our roster is basically full, to the point where BC is selling our 2nds instead of stashing, and this year the draft is loaded with bigs at the top.
2) we're keeping the Lakers pick. They're not going to be that bad (barring injuries) and BC did put top 1 protections on all the picks.
3) chances are we wilt lose the Sac pick but that wont be till next year and if Sac gets a good player this year they will probably be back end of the lottery next year.
4) as good as Tatum is now, we weren't taking him. He wasn't even on our radar. It was Josh Jackson. So if you want to be upset compare Fultz to what Jackson is doing, not Tatum

Jeez give it a rest people

[Gsraider]

Also someone can't see that there is a painful need for another creator(as in someone who can actually dribble srry Lonzo,Mitchell, and Monk) on the team from the perimeter I don't really know what to tell you. Especially as Ben seems to be playing more and more off ball.

You would think that would be obvious. Watching Philly at the end of games, their need for a player that can create his own shot (and actually take it) is still a need. You have to have more than simply dumping it into Embiid or hoping Reddick can hit a crazy 3.

[sixerswillrule]

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Zero desire? I'd love to be able to shoot well with both hands.

There was a guy on here who said in pick up games he takes jump shots with either hand depending on the situation. Thought that was crazy. There are no NBA players who do that.

[Kobblehead]

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[mithrandir17]

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We know Ben is going to be the PG in offense but we needed someone to defend the opposing PG and at the same time be a scorer if needed and also can play off ball. That is why we drafted Markelle and not a pure PG in lonzo. Does that answer the tweet above?

[spikeslovechild]

Anyone who has watched the games or been paying attention to the roster knew going in our number one need was a guard. Not only someone who can create for others like you said but someone who can create for themselves. We literally have noone that I sort of trust to create a good look for themselves at the end of games or late in the shot clock.

Which is alright but it's a major hole in the roster and it's part of the reason we blow leads.

and I dont know what the big deal about trading the pick is

1) our roster is basically full, to the point where BC is selling our 2nds instead of stashing, and this year the draft is loaded with bigs at the top.
2) we're keeping the Lakers pick. They're not going to be that bad (barring injuries) and BC did put top 1 protections on all the picks.
3) chances are we wilt lose the Sac pick but that wont be till next year and if Sac gets a good player this year they will probably be back end of the lottery next year.
4) as good as Tatum is now, we weren't taking him. He wasn't even on our radar. It was Josh Jackson. So if you want to be upset compare Fultz to what Jackson is doing, not Tatum

Jeez give it a rest people

Agreed I also made the point the Celtics controlled the draft process if they wanted to take Tatum first they could have. Lakers would have took Fultz who they wanted to trade up for. And we would have been stuck with Ball. Or the Celtics could trade down with the Lakers to take Tatum.

In any case if the Celtics wanted Tatum as the rumors are they controlled the process to get him. I actually liked Jackson but Fultz when he gets healthy is going to make more of an impact right away. Jackson will give you some 3+D but he'll take awhile there are also some major maturity issues there.

It sucks Fultz is injured and yet again we won't be seeing what our number one pick can do but Simmons was worth the wait. Lets hope Fultz is as well.

[Stanford]

Fultz was the best rated guard in the draft.

Best prospect. Still is.

[MR28]

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Malik **** Monk. Are you trolling?

[ivysixer2000]

Anyone who has watched the games or been paying attention to the roster knew going in our number one need was a guard. Not only someone who can create for others like you said but someone who can create for themselves. We literally have noone that I sort of trust to create a good look for themselves at the end of games or late in the shot clock.

Which is alright but it's a major hole in the roster and it's part of the reason we blow leads.

Which is the exact role I want for Fultz, a creator and closer at the end of games. I really like Tatum actually, but Fultz averaged as many assists as Tatum in half the mins with one arm. Good scorer, but if healthy, Fultz actually fits more of what we need.

It's always interesting to me another rookie is always picked out while Fultz is hurt, and we should have done that instead. I mean it was Mitchell for a while, that didn't work out too well last night.

We absolutely need a healthy Fultz to help finish out games cause Simmons lack of a jumper and having to feed it to Embiid without much time won't work too well long term.

[Unbreakable99]

Anyone who has watched the games or been paying attention to the roster knew going in our number one need was a guard. Not only someone who can create for others like you said but someone who can create for themselves. We literally have noone that I sort of trust to create a good look for themselves at the end of games or late in the shot clock.

Which is alright but it's a major hole in the roster and it's part of the reason we blow leads.

Which is the exact role I want for Fultz, a creator and closer at the end of games. I really like Tatum actually, but Fultz averaged as many assists as Tatum in half the mins with one arm. Good scorer, but if healthy, Fultz actually fits more of what we need.

It's always interesting to me another rookie is always picked out while Fultz is hurt, and we should have done that instead. I mean it was Mitchell for a while, that didn't work out too well last night.

We absolutely need a healthy Fultz to help finish out games cause Simmons lack of a jumper and having to feed it to Embiid without much time won't work too well long term.

Tatum as our PF would be so good. He stretches the court and shoots over 50% from 3. He can create his own shot. He can drive. He can defend. He can switch. He can rebound.

[OleSchool]

Anyone who has watched the games or been paying attention to the roster knew going in our number one need was a guard. Not only someone who can create for others like you said but someone who can create for themselves. We literally have noone that I sort of trust to create a good look for themselves at the end of games or late in the shot clock.

Which is alright but it's a major hole in the roster and it's part of the reason we blow leads.

and I dont know what the big deal about trading the pick is

1) our roster is basically full, to the point where BC is selling our 2nds instead of stashing, and this year the draft is loaded with bigs at the top.
2) we're keeping the Lakers pick. They're not going to be that bad (barring injuries) and BC did put top 1 protections on all the picks.
3) chances are we wilt lose the Sac pick but that wont be till next year and if Sac gets a good player this year they will probably be back end of the lottery next year.
4) as good as Tatum is now, we weren't taking him. He wasn't even on our radar. It was Josh Jackson. So if you want to be upset compare Fultz to what Jackson is doing, not Tatum

Jeez give it a rest people

Agreed I also made the point the Celtics controlled the draft process if they wanted to take Tatum first they could have. Lakers would have took Fultz who they wanted to trade up for. And we would have been stuck with Ball. Or the Celtics could trade down with the Lakers to take Tatum.

In any case if the Celtics wanted Tatum as the rumors are they controlled the process to get him. I actually liked Jackson but Fultz when he gets healthy is going to make more of an impact right away. Jackson will give you some 3+D but he'll take awhile there are also some major maturity issues there.

It sucks Fultz is injured and yet again we won't be seeing what our number one pick can do but Simmons was worth the wait. Lets hope Fultz is as well.

good points. Id like to add that there was no generational talent in this draft. We don't need Fultz to be a #1 option. We need him to be a 3rd banana. That's it. Embiid, SImmons are the cornerstones.

Fultz just has to be Larry to their Moe, Curly/Shemp. Hes more than capable of being that

[OleSchool]

Anyone who has watched the games or been paying attention to the roster knew going in our number one need was a guard. Not only someone who can create for others like you said but someone who can create for themselves. We literally have noone that I sort of trust to create a good look for themselves at the end of games or late in the shot clock.

Which is alright but it's a major hole in the roster and it's part of the reason we blow leads.

Which is the exact role I want for Fultz, a creator and closer at the end of games. I really like Tatum actually, but Fultz averaged as many assists as Tatum in half the mins with one arm. Good scorer, but if healthy, Fultz actually fits more of what we need.

It's always interesting to me another rookie is always picked out while Fultz is hurt, and we should have done that instead. I mean it was Mitchell for a while, that didn't work out too well last night.

We absolutely need a healthy Fultz to help finish out games cause Simmons lack of a jumper and having to feed it to Embiid without much time won't work too well long term.

Tatum as our PF would be so good. He stretches the court and shoots over 50% from 3. He can create his own shot. He can drive. He can defend. He can switch. He can rebound.

Doesn't matter, Tatum wasnt even on our radar. Hell, Ill make the argument that he wasnt on the C's radar till JJ dissed them. Right after the trade who did Ainge go to see? JJ not Tatum. I'd bet that if JJ worked out for Ainge, JJ would be a C's and not Tatum

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We know Ben is going to be the PG in offense but we needed someone to defend the opposing PG and at the same time be a scorer if needed and also can play off ball. That is why we drafted Markelle and not a pure PG in lonzo. Does that answer the tweet above?

No we didn't. We knew that Ben on PG was experiment we wanted to succeed, but there was no guaranty it would succeed. Alternative was moving Ben to more point forward like position. Fultz was a great option for a combo and iso scorer in case the first alternative pans out, and excellent prospect for PG if it was the second alternative. Fultz and Ben are just so wonderfully complementary that the trade was greata (unless Fultz becomes permanently injured player, which you can not know in advance).

[Sixersftw]

November 12th will be the 3 week mark since they made the announcement.

They'll probably delay the announcement till the end of the Western trip. Hopefully, he's ready to go but also don't play him against the Warriors on that first game back lol.

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I'm against the trade. But not for this reason.

Ben Simmons is a point guard despite playing powerforward in college, because that's what his skills translate to on a professional level. Similarly, Markelle Fultz (like D'Angelo Russell before him) is a two guard, despite him playing the one in college. He does not run an offense, he makes passes off of his scoring forays. Fultz committed to UW when they had Dejounte Murray, only for Murray to leave unexpectedly early, leaving Fultz to man the one.

Moreover, as someone said above, we need not just any two guard, but one who can guard the point, AND hopefully guard up as well. I don't like BC, but Fultz checks all of those boxes. As for my dude, DSJ, there is an injury history that I wouldn't care about, but the Sixers understandably do. And although I love DSJ's defensive headiness, he is unlikely to be able to guard up like Fultz can.

A better argument would be that we could've/shouldve gone BPA because we could've gotten a two guard/combo guard in free agency, which we did. But JJ Redick is not the long term answer there. I liked KCP, Tyreke Evans, THIII and Waiters.

If we're going to beat a dead horse, how about the fact that we're not going to get a max free agent next year despite the b.s. Bryan is pushing, we're going to use our cap space to re-sign our own guys, we could've poached Evan Fournier and Kent Bazemore last year and won a lot more games last year even after Embiid and Simmons went down, and we'd've still had the #3 pick because of swap rights with Sacramento.

Say what you will about their contracts, we have not gotten more out of Sergio ($10M), Gerald ($10M), Bayless ($10Mx2), Redick ($25M), Amir ($10M) than we would've out of Bazemore and Fournier. And we're not going to get more out of Avery Bradley and Wilson Chandler or whomever next year...

That's what I prefer to be mad about.

Except, I'm not

I'm happy.

We won.

Without JoJo.

Ben and Joel are so good that all BC has to do is identify good young talent, and he does. Value is not and has never been his strength.

Ben Simmons is to Magic Johnson as Furkan Korkmaz is to Manu Ginobili. Watch!

[ivysixer2000]

Anyone who has watched the games or been paying attention to the roster knew going in our number one need was a guard. Not only someone who can create for others like you said but someone who can create for themselves. We literally have noone that I sort of trust to create a good look for themselves at the end of games or late in the shot clock.

Which is alright but it's a major hole in the roster and it's part of the reason we blow leads.

Which is the exact role I want for Fultz, a creator and closer at the end of games. I really like Tatum actually, but Fultz averaged as many assists as Tatum in half the mins with one arm. Good scorer, but if healthy, Fultz actually fits more of what we need.

It's always interesting to me another rookie is always picked out while Fultz is hurt, and we should have done that instead. I mean it was Mitchell for a while, that didn't work out too well last night.

We absolutely need a healthy Fultz to help finish out games cause Simmons lack of a jumper and having to feed it to Embiid without much time won't work too well long term.

Tatum as our PF would be so good. He stretches the court and shoots over 50% from 3. He can create his own shot. He can drive. He can defend. He can switch. He can rebound.

I'd rather have Fultz in place and look at adding Bron or Cousins this summer for the forward positions. You still have to see we need a guard to guard other opposing PGs, and at the time we needed insurance just in case Ben couldn't handle the point. Who do we have right now to do that, JJ is 33 and Bayless is Bayless, and both have problems guarding their own shadows.

And please don't say TJ could start in that spot. Point is, we needed someone with real potential in that spot and could play off the ball, both of which Fultz can do if healthy. If we could be patient with Jojo and Ben, we can be patient with Fultz.