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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1181 » by Aussiepiston1 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:57 pm

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I saw Harris in Bali 2 weeks ago and spoke to a girl who was sitting with him and his girlfriend and she said he was a real cool guy hahaha but didn't give her any info about staying or leaving LOL
I think keeping Harris trading Butler for Gordon and draft picks plus getting Horford would be a better fit for us.
4 year 100mil for Horford wouldn't be bad, look at what Marc Gasol is making at the same age contract finishing same time also and I'm sure Toronto is happy paying it.
So apparently you missed playoffs where Butler was HUGE for us..

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I think a line up of Simmons/Gordon/Harris/Horford/Embiid will be more than capable mate and your'e underrating how good/efficient/leader Horford is.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1182 » by Skates » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:52 am

This shouldn't be too complicated. Pay Butler, pay Harris, pay JJ if you can, grab someone with the available exceptions to backup up Embiid, especially on D, grab a vet minimum guy or use any remaining exceptions to fill out the vet part of the roster, maybe bringing Scott back. Add our picks and run it back. There should be backup plans, but only if you can't pay these two guys enough to stay here, only if they want to leave for less money. Run. It. Back. and build the bench.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1183 » by Arsenal » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:13 am

Playing around with the Capulator, the finances get super tight if we have to MAX both Butler and Harris. That means a $32M 1st year salary for both.

If that happens we can sign Redick to start at $10M. Then we have $14M left under the tax line. We can use $9M to sign a guy with the full midlevel, but then we have only 9 players under contract (including our signed 1st rounder) w/under $5M room below the tax left to add the remaining 4-6 players.

It would be difficult to avoid the tax in that case. If somehow we get Tobias for a 1st year salary of $27M instead of the MAX of $32M, then the $5M extra breathing room would be crucial. Otherwise we can have a guy at the midlevel or Mike Scott resigned, but not both.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1184 » by tsmith » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:14 am

Sign Jimmy, sign Tobias, sign JJ, don't draft Cam Johnson. I'll be happy with the offseason if those four things happen.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1185 » by Negrodamus » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:14 am

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Excellent off the bench for the Bucks. Would give him a look.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1186 » by Sixerscan » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:30 am

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Excellent off the bench for the Bucks. Would give him a look.

And I believe they lose their bird rights for him by cutting him, so they'd have to use an exception to bring him back.

Would gladly take him at the right pice.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1187 » by Kolkmania » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:22 pm

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Playing around with the Capulator, the finances get super tight if we have to MAX both Butler and Harris. That means a $32M 1st year salary for both.

If that happens we can sign Redick to start at $10M. Then we have $14M left under the tax line. We can use $9M to sign a guy with the full midlevel, but then we have only 9 players under contract (including our signed 1st rounder) w/under $5M room below the tax left to add the remaining 4-6 players.

It would be difficult to avoid the tax in that case. If somehow we get Tobias for a 1st year salary of $27M instead of the MAX of $32M, then the $5M extra breathing room would be crucial. Otherwise we can have a guy at the midlevel or Mike Scott resigned, but not both.

Trying to assemble a championship worthy roster and staying under the tax is nearly impossible imo. I'd definitely try to resign Scott with his Bird rights, alternative is finding a shooting wing/forward with MLE, but this will leaves other gaps open.

I think it is an interesting question how everybody would fill out the roster if the Run It Back scenario happens:
Assuming we resign every rotation player with Bird rights. Max contracts for Butler and Harris and a two-year 10m contract for Redick.

Rotation players:
Simmons
Redick - Smith
Butler
Harris
Embiid

Wild cards:
Bolden, #24th pick, #33rd pick, #34th (#42nd and #54th picks)

Luxury Tax Room: 10.2m, Apron Room: 14.7m
With the following possibilities available: Bird rights Scott (max 5.2M), NT-MLE (9.2m) and BAE (2.4m).

Needs: A reliable back-up center and a wing (ideally 2) and guard who can shoot and defend.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1188 » by kriss73 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:07 pm

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Baynes and #20 for #24.

I know we're helping the Celtics, but some team is going to help them anyway.


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mmmm...maybe it's not a smart idea by me

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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1189 » by MambaJuice » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:22 pm

I don't want to help the Celtics in any way shape or form. They're trying to rebuild on the fly and I hope they fall flat on their faces.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1190 » by Negrodamus » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:41 pm

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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1191 » by Sixerscan » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:41 pm

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Baynes and #20 for #24.

I know we're helping the Celtics, but some team is going to help them anyway.


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Like with Ilyasova, you’d have to find a third team to take Jon Simmons so you can match salaries.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1192 » by ProcessDoctor » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:43 pm

Arsenal wrote:Playing around with the Capulator, the finances get super tight if we have to MAX both Butler and Harris. That means a $32M 1st year salary for both.

If that happens we can sign Redick to start at $10M. Then we have $14M left under the tax line. We can use $9M to sign a guy with the full midlevel, but then we have only 9 players under contract (including our signed 1st rounder) w/under $5M room below the tax left to add the remaining 4-6 players.

It would be difficult to avoid the tax in that case. If somehow we get Tobias for a 1st year salary of $27M instead of the MAX of $32M, then the $5M extra breathing room would be crucial. Otherwise we can have a guy at the midlevel or Mike Scott resigned, but not both.


I think it’s doable for the first year.

If we max Jimmy, give Tobias $160 mil/5 yrs, JJ $18 mil/2 yrs, and Scott and/or Boban $4 mil or less per year (including BAE) it’s doable. Can also still use the full MLE in this case.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1193 » by youngcrev » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:14 pm

Meh, Baynes. Not interested. He can kinda sorta hit some wide open 3s and can battle in the low post, which made him somewhat annoying against Embiid, but not the skillset I'm looking for in a backup to Jo.

The part that intrigues me about that tweet is that they would need to renounce all of their free agents. I'd have some level of interest in Morris and Rozier for the MLE.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1194 » by Kobblehead » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:26 pm

I still think retaining Jimmy is shortsighted.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1195 » by FlyingArrow » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:36 pm

Crossposting this from viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1854678 . I know some of you have already seen it.

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The big picture is to sign Tobias and Jimmy, and to fill in all the holes, all while staying below the hard-cap apron.

So step one is to sign Tobias and Jimmy to full 5-year max contracts. Jimmy probably won't be worth a max salary at the end of 5 years. And Tobias is probably worth high-20s instead of a full max. But there are plenty of teams that would like to poach them, and Philly really has no leverage to offer anything less than the full max because the likelihood of signing anyone better than those two (if one or both were to walk) is pretty small. It locks Philly in as a real title threat for at least the next 3 years. If Butler doesn't regress too much as he agrees and/or Joel & Ben take big jumps forward, the window will extend for the full 5 years. A legit chance for 5 years will hopefully turn into at least 1 or 2 rings.

But that gives the Sixers a depth chart with plenty of holes:
Ben Simmons / ?? / ??
?? / Zhaire Smith / ??
Jimmy Butler / ?? / ??
Tobias Harris / ?? / Jonah Bolden
Joel Embiid / ?? / ??


A couple of housekeeping items:
* James Ennis is opting out of his player option. Philly is unlikely to keep his services, since a team under the cap will be able to beat Philly's offer, and a player like Ennis should (and likely will) take the most guaranteed money he can get.
* Jonathon Simmons won't be back. Three options: waive and eat the $1M, waive and stretch, or trade. All 3 options could be the best option depending on the situation. Stretch if we end up right at the apron and we need to stay below it. Trade if we need him to match salary. If neither of those occur, waive (without stretching).
* Amir Johnson and Greg Monroe are done. Let them walk.
* Shake Milton was a two-way player who is worth keeping. Give him a real contract.

The Sixers have 3 options with where their total salary lands, and I strongly favor one of those:
* Below the cap is not an option if Tobias and Jimmy sign.
* Below the luxury tax is possible, but they will have a lot of holes that they don't improve by doing that.
* Above the luxury tax but below the apron would let them use the full MLE and BAE. This is where they should land, in my opinion. They'd be hard-capped for the season, but would have much more flexibility in seeking out free agents. Going forward I will assume the goal is to stay below the apron.
* Above the apron. If their salary goes this high, they have to work with a smaller MLE and no BAE. Limited options. This may be where they end up if they really want JJ but someone bids him up to around $15M per year. Otherwise, I don't think they need to push their salary this high.

So at this point we are left with 6 players. Then there's the #24 first round pick. If 8 more players are all vet minimum players ($1,618,486), that puts the Sixers at 15 players and $16,382,807 below the apron:
http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=554189185d0816c055e54774338295
(Note that the purpose of the above link is just to illustrate what the roster looks like when filled with minimum-salary players. Most of the players listed would not actually sign for the minimum.)

So that's the budget: about $16 million above minimum, spread out among all the players. We can get a little bit more breathing room by stretching JSimmons instead of waiving him. And a little bit more if, say, two of the 2nd round picks (#33, 34, 44, 54) make the roster at a rookie minimum, which is less than the veteran minimum. Make those assumptions and the budget jumps up to $18,492,132 above minimum contracts for the 6 players who aren't draft picks. Naturally, being above the cap means they can't just sign anyone. They'll have the MLE, BAE, their own free agents, and very limited capability to make trades.

Free agency:
* Full MLE: $9,245,000
* Full BAE: $3,618,000
* Philly re-signing their own free agents. The ones worth considering (in order): JJ Redick, Mike Scott, Boban Marjanovic, TJ McConnell, Furkan Korkmaz

Trade resources:
* Jonathon Simmons' tradeable contract, Fultz's TPE ($2,339,880), Saric's TPE ($957,480)
* Can trade picks (2019: 24, 33, 34, 44, 54 plus future years)

Those are the resources, with a salary limit of no more than about $16M-$18.5M above minimum contracts. I see it playing out something like this, although I'm not filling in all of the names yet:

Ben Simmons / BAE / Veteran Minimum
JJ Redick / Zhaire Smith / Shake Milton
Jimmy Butler / Mike Scott / 2nd Rd Pick (33,34,44,54?)
Tobias Harris / 1st Rd Pick 24 / Jonah Bolden
Joel Embiid / MLE / Boban Marjanovic

1. Most important hole to fill is the starting SG. Redick did fine there this year, and it would be good to bring him back. In order to fit in everything else, Philly should try to bring him back for a low annual salary but a lot of years: 4yr/$25M.
2. Next most important slot is Joel's backup. Biggest asset is the MLE, so use that there. Get the best backup center you can get for $9,245,000 per year.
3. Ben's backup. Use the BAE to get the best backup PG available for $3,618,000.
4. Re-sign Mike Scott at about $4.5M. He was a decent rotation player this year and is worth keeping around.
5. Re-sign Boban Marjanovic at about $3M per year. He was unplayable against Toronto, but in some matchups against bench players he is not just playable but dominant. Joel is going to rest a lot. Having a player who can help win games against weaker teams while Embiid is resting is important.
6. 1st round pick at 24 should be best player available, but it would be nice if it filled the backup PF slot.
7. Hope for one of the 2nd round picks to perform well in training camp and make the roster, and sign someone to a vet minimum contract.
8. Two other 2nd round picks get two-way contracts. G-League, stash, trade, or cut the 4th second-round pick.

If Redick, Scott, and Marjanovic sign at those numbers it leaves the Sixers just shy of the apron with enough breathing room to afford two 10-day contracts during the season if necessary. (But without the ability to offer the 10-day players permanent contracts.)

So now filling in the blanks... I'm going to be a bit optimistic here but will give it a shot.

Ben Simmons / Cory Joseph / TJ McConnell
JJ Redick / Zhaire Smith / Shake Milton
Jimmy Butler / Mike Scott / Cam Johnson
Tobias Harris / Mfiondu Kabengele / Jonah Bolden
Joel Embiid / Dewayne Dedmon / Boban Marjanovic

Two-way: Daniel Gafford, DaQuan Jeffries


* Mfiondou Kabenegele at 24. I've seen some mocks with him this low, but he'll probably be taken before then.
* Dewayne Dedmon for the MLE. But I expect he'll probably end up around $15M instead of the $9.2M Philly can offer.
* Cory Joseph for the BAE if we can get him for that.
* Cam Johnson at 33 for 3rd string SF.
* TJ McConnell for the Vet Minimum.
* Two-way players: Daniel Gafford at 34, DaQuan Jeffries at 44.
* G-League player: Tacko Fall at 54
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1196 » by AllHype3 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:37 pm

Is their any way to acquire Danny Green while retaining Jimmy and Tobias (before signing them) without using full MLE. JJ would be signing elsewhere.

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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1197 » by fl311 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:39 pm

The Horford stuff is legit, but as a backup if Jimmy/Tobias leave.

I still am hearing confidence that Jimmy returns, but it really depends on if Lakers can clear more space to get closer to max $$. Tobias is a little more tricky. I'm not sure they want to give him a full max, so a 4 year max from a team like Brooklyn could lure him away.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1198 » by smittybanton » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:40 pm

Not just with respect ot the Sixers, I'm hella interested in where the 2015 busts will go: Kaminsky, S. Johnson, M. Hezonja, E. Mudiay, Trey Lyles.

Now, with respect to the sixers, i think there's a case to be made for bringing jb, th, jj and ms back, but then filling out the back of the roster with these cheap question marks--because if they come for basically the minimum then we either hit on a diamond in the rough, or we cut/waive them and sign bought out veterans in March for those who dont work out.

Just a thought.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1199 » by FlyingArrow » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:44 pm

AllHype3 wrote:Is their any way to acquire Danny Green while retaining Jimmy and Tobias (before signing them) without using full MLE. JJ would be signing elsewhere.

Simmons
Green
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How much do you think Green signs for? The MLE is the best we have to sign free agents, assuming we keep Jimmy and Tobias.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1200 » by agiaco » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:44 pm

No interest in Danny Green. He was almost invisible all playoffs.

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