Joel Embiid

[mjkvol]

What I will not accept is trading Embiid while not trading Simmons. I understand wanting to trade Embiid given the circumstances of his injury history and his probable significant decline in his low 30's, but Simmons has to go, this type of player (wasted talent) cannot represent the Sixers.

100% agree.

[DCasey91]

Luka
Giannis
Jokic
Trae
Tatum
Booker
Zion

I count 7 (2021-2030) that are going to dominate this decade. Saying that though 5 max tend to win each year.

2011-2020.... Dirk, Lebron, Leonard, Curry, Durant

Embiid is not Dirk, more Ming/Walton territory on availability.

Ben moved first for amicable good faith.

And Embiid is my favorite player easily...

But Luka is a potential dynasty waiting.

Huge merit on it and you stand to lose nothing for an inquiry as the Mavs are cleaning house atm.

Best players win championships and you get Luka for the whole entire decade.

Now I believe you can win a championship with Embiid, I do not believe you can win a championship with hyper centrism with him. Not how it works anymore. Even at his best I’m not buying it at all. 30mins premium time, after that it’s gas spent, up in the air ball. You cannot bank on that.

20 FGA’s max 52++FG% , DPOY impact in the playoffs that should be the measuring stick.

[76ciology]

Embiid is loyal has all hell, but if there was ever a player that’s disgruntled and wants out he has every right to be. All the catering went to a lesser player and favoritism went straight there.

5 years no improvement and no correct pairing outside of half a season of butler for him is just poor management.

As the poster above mentioned a good PG opens up so much for the big guy. How do you not even have that for him?

I mean Vanvleet lol plucked from the outer.

Why didn’t we even look at Payton Pritchard?

I don’t blame him at all.

Can you explain to me the “a good PG opens so much for the big guy”? And can you give me an example.

Is it like Derek Fisher who’s going to make an entry pass to Shaq and space the floor for him?

Jason Kidd with the Mavs where he’ll run a 2 man game with Dirk just to set Dirk up to attack on the high post?

Because you mention Payton Pritchard and that’s the only role I can see him “opens so much for the big guy”.

If you ask me what we need is a PG who does not “opens so much for the big guy” but rather “takes away so much offensive load for the big guy”.

We need a PG who could make Embiid slide as number 2 offensive option.

And the reason why I say this is right now, the best way to score is from a screen play (variations of PnR) from a perimeter scoring ball handler. 2nd best is nowhere near as close.

And I dont want to run this screen play to just set up a big to take a high TO% possession or a highly contested shot. It may work early on, but as we’ve seen down the stretch it is problematic and unreliable.

[76ciology]

Embiid is loyal has all hell, but if there was ever a player that’s disgruntled and wants out he has every right to be. All the catering went to a lesser player and favoritism went straight there.

5 years no improvement and no correct pairing outside of half a season of butler for him is just poor management.

As the poster above mentioned a good PG opens up so much for the big guy. How do you not even have that for him?

I mean Vanvleet lol plucked from the outer.

Why didn’t we even look at Payton Pritchard?

I don’t blame him at all.

Maybe.

The loyal guys like Dame and Dirk have been quite durable. Dirk played like on his late 30s.

I think Embiid’s career is more like Dwade. He’s gonna peak early and blow off early. Blow off, like still an allstar but will stop being MVP caliber.

Dwade peaked when he was 27. Embiid is 27 this season.

And if you only have a small window to be at your peak, you will do everything to maximize it at all cost.

I think this generation of players have learned from the great players before them. For instance on Luka’s case, he is demanding that the team has to win now already or he may walk awAy. He’s just 22. They’re more impatient.

[DCasey91]

Embiid is loyal has all hell, but if there was ever a player that’s disgruntled and wants out he has every right to be. All the catering went to a lesser player and favoritism went straight there.

5 years no improvement and no correct pairing outside of half a season of butler for him is just poor management.

As the poster above mentioned a good PG opens up so much for the big guy. How do you not even have that for him?

I mean Vanvleet lol plucked from the outer.

Why didn’t we even look at Payton Pritchard?

I don’t blame him at all.

Can you explain to me the “a good PG opens so much for the big guy”? And can you give me an example.

Is it like Derek Fisher who’s going to make an entry pass to Shaq and space the floor for him?

Jason Kidd with the Mavs where he’ll run a 2 man game with Dirk just to set Dirk up to attack on the high post?

Because you mention Payton Pritchard and that’s the only role I can see him “opens so much for the big guy”.

If you ask me what we need is a PG who does not “opens so much for the big guy” but rather “takes away so much offensive load for the big guy”.

We need a PG who could make Embiid slide as number 2 offensive option.

And the reason why I say this is right now, the best way to score is from a screen play (variations of PnR) from a perimeter scoring ball handler. 2nd best is nowhere near as close.

And I dont want to run this screen play to just set up a big to take a high TO% possession or a highly contested shot. It may work early on, but as we’ve seen down the stretch it is problematic and unreliable.

I’m beginning to question your IQ and understanding of the game.

You made a pointless thread about Giannis and Embiid together.

It’s a lot of fantasy stuff with you.

Reality is it’s basketball not rocket science.

Use your eyes.

A good PG and a Great Big Man go hand in hand.

[76ciology]

Embiid is loyal has all hell, but if there was ever a player that’s disgruntled and wants out he has every right to be. All the catering went to a lesser player and favoritism went straight there.

5 years no improvement and no correct pairing outside of half a season of butler for him is just poor management.

As the poster above mentioned a good PG opens up so much for the big guy. How do you not even have that for him?

I mean Vanvleet lol plucked from the outer.

Why didn’t we even look at Payton Pritchard?

I don’t blame him at all.

Can you explain to me the “a good PG opens so much for the big guy”? And can you give me an example.

Is it like Derek Fisher who’s going to make an entry pass to Shaq and space the floor for him?

Jason Kidd with the Mavs where he’ll run a 2 man game with Dirk just to set Dirk up to attack on the high post?

Because you mention Payton Pritchard and that’s the only role I can see him “opens so much for the big guy”.

If you ask me what we need is a PG who does not “opens so much for the big guy” but rather “takes away so much offensive load for the big guy”.

We need a PG who could make Embiid slide as number 2 offensive option.

And the reason why I say this is right now, the best way to score is from a screen play (variations of PnR) from a perimeter scoring ball handler. 2nd best is nowhere near as close.

And I dont want to run this screen play to just set up a big to take a high TO% possession or a highly contested shot. It may work early on, but as we’ve seen down the stretch it is problematic and unreliable.

I’m beginning to question your IQ and understanding of the game.

You made a pointless thread about Giannis and Embiid together.

It’s a lot of fantasy stuff with you.

Reality is it’s basketball not rocket science.

Use your eyes.

A good PG and a Great Big Man go hand in hand.

You didnt answer my question. Explain to me how a good PG will “open so much for the big guy”.

Im not here to argue with anyone but I want to know your perspective on how this can happen and what are the examples of this.

Will it be like CP3 and DeAndre Jordan or Trae and Capela where the PG will throw lobs to these bigs?

Or a set-up Pg who can also space the floor like Kidd-Dirk or Fisher-Shaq?

[DCasey91]

Can you explain to me the “a good PG opens so much for the big guy”? And can you give me an example.

Is it like Derek Fisher who’s going to make an entry pass to Shaq and space the floor for him?

Jason Kidd with the Mavs where he’ll run a 2 man game with Dirk just to set Dirk up to attack on the high post?

Because you mention Payton Pritchard and that’s the only role I can see him “opens so much for the big guy”.

If you ask me what we need is a PG who does not “opens so much for the big guy” but rather “takes away so much offensive load for the big guy”.

We need a PG who could make Embiid slide as number 2 offensive option.

And the reason why I say this is right now, the best way to score is from a screen play (variations of PnR) from a perimeter scoring ball handler. 2nd best is nowhere near as close.

And I dont want to run this screen play to just set up a big to take a high TO% possession or a highly contested shot. It may work early on, but as we’ve seen down the stretch it is problematic and unreliable.

I’m beginning to question your IQ and understanding of the game.

You made a pointless thread about Giannis and Embiid together.

It’s a lot of fantasy stuff with you.

Reality is it’s basketball not rocket science.

Use your eyes.

A good PG and a Great Big Man go hand in hand.

You didnt answer my question. Explain to me how a good PG will “open so much for the big guy”.

Im not here to argue with anyone but I want to know your perspective on how this can happen and what are the examples of this.

Will it be like CP3 and DeAndre Jordan or Trae and Capela where the PG will throw lobs to these bigs?

Or a set-up Pg who can also space the floor like Kidd-Dirk or Fisher-Shaq?

Examples? Read through NBA history. I just answered it for you. It’s a good PG. I’m not talking about describing the philosophy of the curvature of Mountain ranges lmao

1+1 = 2

Embiid has never had a quality PG. look I’m not attacking your intelligence on the whole but cmon now.

[76ciology]

I’m beginning to question your IQ and understanding of the game.

You made a pointless thread about Giannis and Embiid together.

It’s a lot of fantasy stuff with you.

Reality is it’s basketball not rocket science.

Use your eyes.

A good PG and a Great Big Man go hand in hand.

You didnt answer my question. Explain to me how a good PG will “open so much for the big guy”.

Im not here to argue with anyone but I want to know your perspective on how this can happen and what are the examples of this.

Will it be like CP3 and DeAndre Jordan or Trae and Capela where the PG will throw lobs to these bigs?

Or a set-up Pg who can also space the floor like Kidd-Dirk or Fisher-Shaq?

Examples? Read through NBA history. I just answered it for you. It’s a good PG. I’m not talking about describing the philosophy of the curvature of Mountain ranges lmao

1+1 = 2

Embiid has never had a quality PG. look I’m not attacking your intelligence on the whole but cmon now.

NBA history.

Game is way different right now.

Back in the days, offense is hard to come by. So you have to run all these complicated sets to get guys open.

Perimeter players can’t create like how they do because defenders can stay close on them.

So 1v1 is mostly post plays. And bigs are power in post plays because they score on a high % on post plays.

So overall back in the days, it’s a lot of complicated sets to get shooters open or post plays.

Nowadays, it’s different.

That said, I’d like to know how do you think “a good PG can open so much for the big guy”.

You mentioned Payton Pritchard. How can he “open so much for the big guy”?

Pritchard would bring down the ball and make an entry pass to Embiid and space the floor. Is that what you mean?

[DCasey91]

I really can’t be bothered mate.

[Kobblehead]

I don't think the position is the thing to focus on, rather the skillset that often coincides with the position. Most point guards can dribble penetrate and collapse defenders and draw help defenders off their man. The dribble penetration is the key element.

In a general sense, any great scorer with handle presents that dribble penetration element that would greatly help Embiid, regardless of whether or not he's a distributor. Brandon Ingram would help Embiid just as much as a De'Aaron Fox, for instance. Donovan Mitchell would help Embiid just as much as Shai Alexander, for instance.

We need scorers that can handle the ball and get to the rim off the dribble, period. I don't care what position they play. I actually prefer bigger, non-PGs because they're the more impactful and harder to defend guys most instances.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I don't think it's necessarily point guards either. Although even with Ish Smith as our point guard, we would have beaten the Hawks. Embiid has never had another player here that could get theirs in a playoff setting. Jimmy Butler didn't last long, and Tobias can't handle it. I feel like we either acquire a player like that for Embiid or he's going to ask out. Both Barkley and Iverson were incredibly loyal players that gave all they had to this city and even they were traded. It'll happen with Embiid soon if we don't get him help.

[phillynative]

I don't think the position is the thing to focus on, rather the skillset that often coincides with the position. Most point guards can dribble penetrate and collapse defenders and draw help defenders off their man. The dribble penetration is the key element.

In a general sense, any great scorer with handle presents that dribble penetration element that would greatly help Embiid, regardless of whether or not he's a distributor. Brandon Ingram would help Embiid just as much as a De'Aaron Fox, for instance. Donovan Mitchell would help Embiid just as much as Shai Alexander, for instance.

We need scorers that can handle the ball and get to the rim off the dribble, period. I don't care what position they play. I actually prefer bigger, non-PGs because they're the more impactful and harder to defend guys most instances.

I will take either or at this point . You can always put a complimenting player next to them. I think you get the best player than a player that compliments them.

If you grab a brandon ingram - donovan mitchell. You put a playmaker of some sort next to them .

Obviously with shai or fox you go with more shooting.


I mean you pair Embiid with any of these guys than that opens up things quite a bit more than what we are dealing with currently. Getting the best player available is key.

[phillynative]

As far as Embiids loyalty I think he has been loyal because he believes the Org and fans have been patient with him. We "trusted the process " and embraced him even being a injury prone, raw big , so he doesnt want to let us down. Hes not too pushy with the Org because they allowed him to mature, get better, rehab his injuries,miss seasons and still be the franchise player. Embiid has played with non fitting pieces, changed his game for players and even dealt with a revolving door of players.

This is why the sixers must give him something else to work with no more trying to fit a square into a circle which has happened for most of his career here. If the Sixers can not do that than its in his best interest to ask out as he has already proved his loyalty. He is 27 and will probably get better but is on borrowed time with his body.

[Negrodamus]

Embiid has no reason to want to leave. He likely has the most pull on decisions here over anywhere else in the league. He has the owners wrapped around his finger and probably is wielding more power each passing year.

The Sixers would have to be the ones to pull that trigger and move on.

[Bum Adebayo]

Brett and Simmons were the two guys who made the moves behing the scenes, everyone knows this. Embiid has all the right to be pissed. Half season to gel with Butler and we were one shot away of winning against champions, despite the Simmons hindrance. But they both had other plans.

[phillynative]

Embiid has no reason to want to leave. He likely has the most pull on decisions here over anywhere else in the league. He has the owners wrapped around his finger and probably is wielding more power each passing year.

The Sixers would have to be the ones to pull that trigger and move on.

Nah. Just because the owners are friendly with the best player on their best asset doesnt mean there is any sharing of power. Embiid has said many times before that he is not the guy to go into the office and demand this guy be traded or to get this guy. So he has put the trust in management to get it right and to no avail.You dont think not having a roster to fit him and having a coddled costar player for most of his career here is starting to wear down on him as the clock ticks?

[syntax]

Brett and Simmons were the two guys who made the moves behing the scenes, everyone knows this. Embiid has all the right to be pissed. Half season to gel with Butler and we were one shot away of winning against champions, despite the Simmons hindrance. But they both had other plans.

You know right before the playoffs, Brett Brown totally changed the offense and ran it throught Butler right?

Butler even objected to Brown but got shot down. The dysfunction on that team was immense.

Oh yeah and the SImmons hinderance is a 3 time all-star in his 4th year at 24. What a nightmare.

Did you know Butler shot 26% from 3 in the Raptors series? Didn't think so. That is the reason for the loss.

[Bum Adebayo]

All star is just a regular season accolade, absolutely meaningless when discussing playoffs performance of a player.
Also 26% from three is analytically better than 33.3% FT that Simmons had in Hawks series.

[eyeatoma]

Brett and Simmons were the two guys who made the moves behing the scenes, everyone knows this. Embiid has all the right to be pissed. Half season to gel with Butler and we were one shot away of winning against champions, despite the Simmons hindrance. But they both had other plans.

You know right before the playoffs, Brett Brown totally changed the offense and ran it throught Butler right?

Butler even objected to Brown but got shot down. The dysfunction on that team was immense.

Oh yeah and the SImmons hinderance is a 3 time all-star in his 4th year at 24. What a nightmare.

Did you know Butler shot 26% from 3 in the Raptors series? Didn't think so. That is the reason for the loss.

So what is your solution? Trade Embiid? The runner up for the MVP? The person who has improved every season, and is virtually unguardable? For what Ben **** Simmons? Who has progressively gotten worse offensively each year, and whose one calling card (defense) is nullified in the playoffs. I get the desire to not sell low, but Simmons on this team with his position, and how much cap space he takes up does not fit on this team. We play 4 on 5 in the playoffs, and he is a massive liability in the 4th quarter. Do you know why Embiid is missing shots? Because he has to have all the offense go through him and needs to take the ball from the 3 point line because nobody cares about guarding Ben. Its unfortunate because if we just went with Butler instead of Tobias it probably would have worked but that's not the case. Simmons has to go. Your infatuation with him at this point is comical.

[Misteclipse]

Not sure why anyone is giving much attention to Syntax. He's an Aussie. Aussies are brainwashed to defend Simmons.

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