Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[Sportfan73]

Like you guys are so down on Sexton and Fred shot 39 from the field and 36 from 3. Even last year 41 and 39. Neubeck in his article yesterday pointed out Sexton has shot over 40 percent on catch and shoot 3’s in every year of his career so far so his 48 from the field and 37.5 from 3 may have been a down year at 24ppg. How could you possibly want Fred over that

Yup, Sexton has been underrated. I think i compared him and Fox’s scoring numbers like several weeks back.

And i think Sexton will not only be a much better player on our team but also a 20+ppg allstar on our team. I wouldnt be surprised if he continues his upward trajectory in his development when things fall into place for him (im a huge believer in this).

I also the collective group of scorers we’ll have without Embiid, with Sexton, Tobi and Maxey. And you still have Seth and Shake! Just constant dribble drive offense turning good shots into great shots. And if offense stalls, dump the ball to Embiid if he’s playing.

Now you’re close to that Spurs blueprint.

Yeah and when Maxey is ready next year you can start Maxey and Sexton and stagger them and have a constant pressure on the defense for 48 minutes. Not to mention then you end up with sexton at 22 and Maxey at 20 so you get 2 killers to take a ton of offensive load and mileage off of Embiid for at minimum his entire super max

[Murray_17]

Like you guys are so down on Sexton and Fred shot 39 from the field and 36 from 3. Even last year 41 and 39. Neubeck in his article yesterday pointed out Sexton has shot over 40 percent on catch and shoot 3’s in every year of his career so far so his 48 from the field and 37.5 from 3 may have been a down year at 24ppg. How could you possibly want Fred over that

Basically what you're saying is both are similar players but one is gonna commend max money after this season and the other one no.

It's not that difficult.

[RedSalsa]

Get me Sexton and let’s move in he’ll help you in the playoffs more than a scared little punk Ben

[Mik317]

TBF to Sexton...dude has had a rough go of it in terms of coaches....At Alabama, he had a game in which 4 dudes were playing at once, then lame duck Lue, then Mr. Slugs Belein, and Poor JB Bickerstaff once again being a human shield. I don't think Koby Atman knows what he's doing and the midget backcourt just was a poor idea then and even moreso now. Love hating him is concerning but I don't think Love enjoys basketball much regardless rn..man has been going through it mentally and I feel that lol. But he wasn't alone on hating him...never saw stuff like that leak out during anyone's rookie season.

BUT the idea of Sexton, and honestly most guys we are trying to sell ourselves on, is that Embiid covers those flaws. Yeah if Sexton was your main option...you'd be ****..but here he wouldn't be. Embiid could cover him defensively and also make it so he isn't the only focus. I mean as Ben and Tobias had brain farts and Embiid was slowing decaying..the Embiid/Seth 2 man game ate (Seth got ate on the other end....and so would Sexton but heeeeeeeey baby steps here)...so there is some value to it. JJ fell off a cliff without Embiid and had his best years with him for example. The Embiid floor raising is a real thing and seeing it with a dude who can dribble the ball and will shoot...even if sometimes he shouldn't is something we haven't tried yet.

HOWEVER I think lost in this, is that we are so thirsty for scorers than we kinda ignore the fact that half of the roster doesn't really work as well without Ben either. Yeah he doesnt shoot. Yeah he passed up that dunk. And yeah IMO its simply time for him to go. His presence allows dudes like Danny, Furk and Seth to exist without having to really make decisions beyond shoot the ball. His presence allows Tobias to take the weaker wings. He allows Thybulle to wreck havoc know he has fouls to give. People have this idea that just simply getting a scorer for Ben solves everything when it kinda doesn't. That's where Sexton is iffy for me. Dude can score his ass off and this is one of those "all he does is catch touchdowns" type disses ala Chris Carter but thats all he does. It would be nice if our scorer could also use his gravity to set up others from time to time...which I think is the main beef Sexton's teammates have w/ him. Its also probably why Ben's teammates have all gone to bat for him.

TLDR: This trade is important but I think more trades need to be made afterwards as well. Which is why of the rumored packages, the Spurs are the most interesting to me as their dudes are far more versatile even if not as elite at one thing as many others....that w/ picks also means we can keep tinkering rather than being set. I don't think we win it all this year regardless...that does not mean we just give up tho as I am not as afraid of Embiid's health as others are...I think we can still re tinker and get this thing back on track. I was hoping that would be w/ Ben but that ship has sailed.

[the_process]

“Spurs” will not give up such a package for a toxic player with highly severe flaws.
You can keep it for yourself.
Good luck.

LOL Pop wants to end his career with a lottery team, eh?

And Ben is so toxic the Sixers have been to 2nd round 3 of the past 4 years.

What does the 76ers' playoff success have to do with the potential deal and Ben's toxic character?
Embiid will also go to San Antonio with Ben?
If the Spurs give away the most talented players, will they cease to be a lottery team and Simmons will want to stay there for a long time?
Pop's inexorable desire to make the playoffs is just a common stereotype. In four settlement drafts, the Spurs chose raw players three times to develop them and put them in the future, not on momentary successes.
The next season will help determine who should be left in the team, and who should be said goodbye to and choose the right player in the draft, probably in the top 5.
And you propose to give up all this for the sake of a player who is not even the top 20.
Pop doesn't want to work with problem players.
Proof: https://youtu.be/XBZTPtENQCY?t=360 (6:00)

Pop has also spoken glowingly of Simmons.

Ben does not have a "toxic character". He has no character.

[Bum Adebayo]

He had no character until now that he demands a trade.

[RedSalsa]

What will come first? This thread gets to 100 pages again or Ben gets traded?????

[GWPhilly34]

Am I the only one that doesn't see Sexton that much better than Maxey? Dame yes much better but if your trading Ben doesn't it make more sense to try to acquire a strong SF or even a PF that can really catch and shoot? If Maxey progresses and Curry keeps knocking down threes we have solid guard play. I love Green but a stronger scoring 3 could really strengthen this team. To me its about where we can get marginally better and is Sexton is that much better than Maxey if he gets to where he showed flashes of last season?

Love your guys insight I just think we can focus on what make the team better not the best single player we can get back. Stinks losing Ben bc we had such high hopes but its spilled milk at this point. I don't want him around the team with that negative attitude. We should be focused on championships and what is going to get us over that hump.

[mjkvol]

Harris should have been the first one moved but there’s barely been a whisper of a rumour in that regard

I think if they weren’t in the situation they are with Ben, they would have tried hard to trade Tobias. I think he is tough to move with the contract, and they don’t want to move both Ben and Tobias at the same time.

For Tobias you prob have to take lesser players on better contracts. It would be a step backwards, for a possible two steps forward with Tobias’s cap space. They could potentially leave Embiid with very little “win now” talent. For that reason, I think Tobias was moved to the back burner.

Agree, and Harris should be a hell of a lot easier to move next year with only two years left on that albatross of a contract.

[Sportfan73]

Like you guys are so down on Sexton and Fred shot 39 from the field and 36 from 3. Even last year 41 and 39. Neubeck in his article yesterday pointed out Sexton has shot over 40 percent on catch and shoot 3’s in every year of his career so far so his 48 from the field and 37.5 from 3 may have been a down year at 24ppg. How could you possibly want Fred over that

Basically what you're saying is both are similar players but one is gonna commend max money after this season and the other one no.

It's not that difficult.

One is turning 28 in a few months and one 23..

[Sportfan73]

Am I the only one that doesn't see Sexton that much better than Maxey? Dame yes much better but if your trading Ben doesn't it make more sense to try to acquire a strong SF or even a PF that can really catch and shoot? If Maxey progresses and Curry keeps knocking down threes we have solid guard play. I love Green but a stronger scoring 3 could really strengthen this team. To me its about where we can get marginally better and is Sexton is that much better than Maxey if he gets to where he showed flashes of last season?

Love your guys insight I just think we can focus on what make the team better not the best single player we can get back. Stinks losing Ben bc we had such high hopes but its spilled milk at this point. I don't want him around the team with that negative attitude. We should be focused on championships and what is going to get us over that hump.

That’s a huge huge huge reach

[Sportfan73]

TBF to Sexton...dude has had a rough go of it in terms of coaches....At Alabama, he had a game in which 4 dudes were playing at once, then lame duck Lue, then Mr. Slugs Belein, and Poor JB Bickerstaff once again being a human shield. I don't think Koby Atman knows what he's doing and the midget backcourt just was a poor idea then and even moreso now. Love hating him is concerning but I don't think Love enjoys basketball much regardless rn..man has been going through it mentally and I feel that lol. But he wasn't alone on hating him...never saw stuff like that leak out during anyone's rookie season.

BUT the idea of Sexton, and honestly most guys we are trying to sell ourselves on, is that Embiid covers those flaws. Yeah if Sexton was your main option...you'd be ****..but here he wouldn't be. Embiid could cover him defensively and also make it so he isn't the only focus. I mean as Ben and Tobias had brain farts and Embiid was slowing decaying..the Embiid/Seth 2 man game ate (Seth got ate on the other end....and so would Sexton but heeeeeeeey baby steps here)...so there is some value to it. JJ fell off a cliff without Embiid and had his best years with him for example. The Embiid floor raising is a real thing and seeing it with a dude who can dribble the ball and will shoot...even if sometimes he shouldn't is something we haven't tried yet.

HOWEVER I think lost in this, is that we are so thirsty for scorers than we kinda ignore the fact that half of the roster doesn't really work as well without Ben either. Yeah he doesnt shoot. Yeah he passed up that dunk. And yeah IMO its simply time for him to go. His presence allows dudes like Danny, Furk and Seth to exist without having to really make decisions beyond shoot the ball. His presence allows Tobias to take the weaker wings. He allows Thybulle to wreck havoc know he has fouls to give. People have this idea that just simply getting a scorer for Ben solves everything when it kinda doesn't. That's where Sexton is iffy for me. Dude can score his ass off and this is one of those "all he does is catch touchdowns" type disses ala Chris Carter but thats all he does. It would be nice if our scorer could also use his gravity to set up others from time to time...which I think is the main beef Sexton's teammates have w/ him. Its also probably why Ben's teammates have all gone to bat for him.

TLDR: This trade is important but I think more trades need to be made afterwards as well. Which is why of the rumored packages, the Spurs are the most interesting to me as their dudes are far more versatile even if not as elite at one thing as many others....that w/ picks also means we can keep tinkering rather than being set. I don't think we win it all this year regardless...that does not mean we just give up tho as I am not as afraid of Embiid's health as others are...I think we can still re tinker and get this thing back on track. I was hoping that would be w/ Ben but that ship has sailed.

And the thing is, its not a straight up swap argument like everyone is making it seem, it’s a sexton plus picks/swaps vs other packages argument. Like Vanvleet is 28 in a couple months. Sexton is 22. Do we not want to take the upside play and get someone who can at least POSSIBLY grow into a nice number 2 or 3 offensive option next to Embiid for his prime? If you guys want to go win now then CJ/Brogdon make a ton more sense. FVV is severely overrated, his efficiency is downright awful

[Sportfan73]

If Maxey put up Sextons year 1, 2, and 3 numbers you would all say he was UNTOUCHABLE and about to break into legit stardom.

[GWPhilly34]

Am I the only one that doesn't see Sexton that much better than Maxey? Dame yes much better but if your trading Ben doesn't it make more sense to try to acquire a strong SF or even a PF that can really catch and shoot? If Maxey progresses and Curry keeps knocking down threes we have solid guard play. I love Green but a stronger scoring 3 could really strengthen this team. To me its about where we can get marginally better and is Sexton is that much better than Maxey if he gets to where he showed flashes of last season?

Love your guys insight I just think we can focus on what make the team better not the best single player we can get back. Stinks losing Ben bc we had such high hopes but its spilled milk at this point. I don't want him around the team with that negative attitude. We should be focused on championships and what is going to get us over that hump.

That’s a huge huge huge reach

Which part?

Checkout Maxey's Stats vs Sextons Rookie stats and keep in mind Maxey played half the minutes per game.

3 point shooting is the biggest gap but rookie year per 36 is almost identical w/ Maxey having higher assists and better defensive numbers. Maybe Maxey doesn't score 26 per game in year 3 but he's not our number one like sexton.

All I'm saying is for a few extra points more in Sexton and maybe even worse defense than what we already have on the roster, it isn't a good trade.

[Sportfan73]

Am I the only one that doesn't see Sexton that much better than Maxey? Dame yes much better but if your trading Ben doesn't it make more sense to try to acquire a strong SF or even a PF that can really catch and shoot? If Maxey progresses and Curry keeps knocking down threes we have solid guard play. I love Green but a stronger scoring 3 could really strengthen this team. To me its about where we can get marginally better and is Sexton is that much better than Maxey if he gets to where he showed flashes of last season?

Love your guys insight I just think we can focus on what make the team better not the best single player we can get back. Stinks losing Ben bc we had such high hopes but its spilled milk at this point. I don't want him around the team with that negative attitude. We should be focused on championships and what is going to get us over that hump.

That’s a huge huge huge reach

Which part?

Checkout Maxey's Stats vs Sextons Rookie stats and keep in mind Maxey played half the minutes per game.

3 point shooting is the biggest gap but rookie year per 36 is almost identical w/ Maxey having higher assists and better defensive numbers. Maybe Maxey doesn't score 26 per game in year 3 but he's not our number one like sexton.

All I'm saying is for a few extra points more in Sexton and maybe even worse defense than what we already have on the roster, it isn't a good trade.

Yeah maintaining much less increasing efficiency on higher volume isn’t always guaranteed, and going from way below average to above league average 3 point shooting is a whole lot more than your making it seem, and Sexton has kept that percentage so it is wasn’t a fluke. Not to mention nearly double the FTA per 36 as well. I love Maxey and am of the opinion they could easily co exist but that would be a MASSIVE jump for him. There aren’t a long list of guys that didn’t turn out REALLY well to put up year 2 and 3 numbers at 20 and 21 like Sexton did. Why is everyone so negative about him?

[GWPhilly34]

Yeah maintaining much less increasing efficiency on higher volume isn’t always guaranteed, and going from way below average to above league average 3 point shooting is a whole lot more than your making it seem, and Sexton has kept that percentage so it is wasn’t a fluke. Not to mention nearly double the FTA per 36 as well. I love Maxey and am of the opinion they could easily co exist but that would be a MASSIVE jump for him. There aren’t a long list of guys that didn’t turn out REALLY well to put up year 2 and 3 numbers at 20 and 21 like Sexton did. Why is everyone so negative about him?

I'm not negative on him. I think he is a good player, I just think we can improve in other areas that will help the team more.

Agree with you on the 3 point issue which we will find out soon if Maxey was able to improve or not. It would stink if we made this huge play to have a similar guy play his backup. If they could co-exist that's a different story.

[76ciology]

Am I the only one that doesn't see Sexton that much better than Maxey? Dame yes much better but if your trading Ben doesn't it make more sense to try to acquire a strong SF or even a PF that can really catch and shoot? If Maxey progresses and Curry keeps knocking down threes we have solid guard play. I love Green but a stronger scoring 3 could really strengthen this team. To me its about where we can get marginally better and is Sexton is that much better than Maxey if he gets to where he showed flashes of last season?

Love your guys insight I just think we can focus on what make the team better not the best single player we can get back. Stinks losing Ben bc we had such high hopes but its spilled milk at this point. I don't want him around the team with that negative attitude. We should be focused on championships and what is going to get us over that hump.

That’s a huge huge huge reach

Which part?

Checkout Maxey's Stats vs Sextons Rookie stats and keep in mind Maxey played half the minutes per game.

3 point shooting is the biggest gap but rookie year per 36 is almost identical w/ Maxey having higher assists and better defensive numbers. Maybe Maxey doesn't score 26 per game in year 3 but he's not our number one like sexton.

All I'm saying is for a few extra points more in Sexton and maybe even worse defense than what we already have on the roster, it isn't a good trade.

Maxey and Sexton’s scoring numbers as rookies are almost the same per 36, but you have to consider Sexton got those numbers by playing more minutes than Maxey which is arguably harder where you can inflate your per 36 by playing less minutes.

But it doesnt mean both are as good or one player will be better or as good. It would be like comparing Shake Milton to Cj McCullom, which I also invite you to compare their per 36 at the same age.

There are few guards that dont need redundants and you could just give them the ball and let them run the offense. Doncic, Harden, Trae and Cp3.

But I dont see that with Maxey or Sexton. I think both guys are good with the ball, but they need a secondary perimeter creator to play with. I see both guys as like Tony Parker and Manu was like for the Spurs.

And i dont get these “redundant” issues. These days, you can’t have too much scorers on your team. The league is just so bogus with how offense is on steroids nowadays that you need firepower to compete while godly offense or defense is there for separation.

[76ciology]

Being worse on defense dont scare me at all.

If i have to build a team on scratch, i’d be all out on offense. Build the best offensive team using my prime assets then use my cheap assets to get role players to play defense.

Being worse on offense is a death sentence though.

[Sportfan73]

Being worse on defense dont scare me at all.

If i have to build a team on scratch, i’d be all out on offense. Build the best offensive team using my prime assets then use my cheap assets to get role players to play defense.

Being worse on offense is a death sentence though.

Having one of Maxey/Sexton on the floor for 48 mins a game is a great recipe. And Sexton being over 40 percent on catch and shoot 3’s every year so far gets rid of any fit question that I would have had with Maxey OR Embiid

[kuclas]

We just need to play maxes a the PG slot beginning of the season. Force Ben to play the 4. See how it goes. If maxey can prove to be reliable for first 10-15 games, than I'm comfortable trading Ben for a non PG. We need ball handlers on the court. Losing Simmons in a trade and not acquiring a point guard is disaster if Maxey can't prove he can bring the ball up and run a half court offense. Plus we need to see how the defense plays with or without Simmons.

Our perimeter defense sucked without Simmons last year. Something Thybulle couldn't help either. Simmons Plus Embiid on the floor keep the defense in tact. We need to see how well the defense plays without Simmons.