Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #1181 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 6:27 pm

Ok, it makes sense now with Harrell. I just feel like Paul Reed is a priority at this point and we haven't got to him yet. I'm sure we will.

Jailblazers7 · Post #1182 » by **Jailblazers7** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 6:38 pm

I really think these signings are an indicator that we’ll be playing more double big this year. Nurse likes to crash the offensive boards so I’d love to see him unleash Reed & let Embiid focus on transition rim protection.

phiphan · Post #1183 » by **phiphan** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 6:43 pm

We were one of the worst rebounding teams in the league last year, both getting them and contesting for them. It would be huge if Nurse can plug that hole without having to open up another.

Negrodamus · Post #1184 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 7:46 pm

If Tobias isn’t traded this off-season, then it shows what the value of an expiring contract is: not much.

Could be worth something at the deadline, but not much is to be expected of players acquired at that point in the season.

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #1185 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 7:50 pm

Is Melton ,Korkmaz and Reed for PJ Washington double sign and trade possible?

Arsenal · Post #1186 » by **Arsenal** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 7:55 pm

Negrodamus wrote:If Tobias isn’t traded this off-season, then it shows what the value of an expiring contract is: not much.

Could be worth something at the deadline, but not much is to be expected of players acquired at that point in the season.

It's likely Tobias by himself won't fetch anything better than he is. In that case his value is maximized by keeping him, then resigning him for a reasonable amount, or S&T for value next summer.

He may have more value now as a piece in a larger deal.

Embiid P · Post #1187 » by **Embiid P** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 8:09 pm

Negrodamus wrote:If Tobias isn’t traded this off-season, then it shows what the value of an expiring contract is: not much.

Could be worth something at the deadline, but not much is to be expected of players acquired at that point in the season.

I don't see Tobias getting moved if at all until the Harden situation is resolved. He could very well be moved with Harden but not before.

youngcrev · Post #1188 » by **youngcrev** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 8:35 pm

Negrodamus wrote:If Tobias isn’t traded this off-season, then it shows what the value of an expiring contract is: not much.

Could be worth something at the deadline, but not much is to be expected of players acquired at that point in the season.

He might be worth the most to us if cap space is actually the plan. Give Nurse a shot at last year's roster and then flip the team on its head next off-season.

Arsenal · Post #1189 » by **Arsenal** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 8:37 pm

Embiid P wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:If Tobias isn’t traded this off-season, then it shows what the value of an expiring contract is: not much.

Could be worth something at the deadline, but not much is to be expected of players acquired at that point in the season.

I don't see Tobias getting moved if at all until the Harden situation is resolved. He could very well be moved with Harden but not before.

If he doesn't get moved with Harden then he likely stays. If somehow Harden stays then I expect a Tobi trade demand to follow lol.

mjkvol · Post #1190 » by **mjkvol** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 8:40 pm

Embiid P wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:If Tobias isn’t traded this off-season, then it shows what the value of an expiring contract is: not much.

Could be worth something at the deadline, but not much is to be expected of players acquired at that point in the season.

I don't see Tobias getting moved if at all until the Harden situation is resolved. He could very well be moved with Harden but not before.

I think Tobias is either going to get moved at the deadline or a S&T after the season. Or if Nurse likes him he comes back on a sane deal.

eyeatoma · Post #1191 » by **eyeatoma** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 10:28 pm

Paul Reed a coinflip to return.

https://www.libertyballers.com/2023/7/7/23787574/philadelphia-sixers-paul-reed-free-agency-daryl-morey-san-antonio-spurs-utah-jazz

Arsenal · Post #1192 » by **Arsenal** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 10:43 pm

eyeatoma wrote:Paul Reed a coinflip to return.

https://www.libertyballers.com/2023/7/7/23787574/philadelphia-sixers-paul-reed-free-agency-daryl-morey-san-antonio-spurs-utah-jazz

If that cheap bastard owner loses Basketball I've got my pitchfork ready.

Post #1193 » by **sixers hoops** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 10:45 pm

Arsenal wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:If Tobias isn’t traded this off-season, then it shows what the value of an expiring contract is: not much.

Could be worth something at the deadline, but not much is to be expected of players acquired at that point in the season.

It's likely Tobias by himself won't fetch anything better than he is. In that case his value is maximized by keeping him, then resigning him for a reasonable amount, or S&T for value next summer.

He may have more value now as a piece in a larger deal.

It is the classic line “he will have value as an expiring.” In reality, the only value an expiring has is to help other teams clear their bad salary off their books. An expiring contract can get you better players on longer deals; if you want to take on Lavine, Poole, Collins, etc contracts. However, an expiring contract doesn’t necessarily have any positive value. It can possibly be useful in certain scenarios, but teams aren’t offering anything of value for Tobias. The Suns were trying to come up with a way to move Ayton and land Tobias, but that’s about it.

The constant declaration that a player automatically has value as an expiring makes me laugh. Even with Lavine or Lillard, people say “well it’s only x amount of years left, then in the last year he will have value as an expiring” lol. The only value 37 year old Lillard’s $63 million final season of his deal will have, will be to trade for $63 million in crap from another team.

Arsenal · Post #1194 » by **Arsenal** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 10:50 pm

sixers hoops wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:If Tobias isn’t traded this off-season, then it shows what the value of an expiring contract is: not much.

Could be worth something at the deadline, but not much is to be expected of players acquired at that point in the season.

It's likely Tobias by himself won't fetch anything better than he is. In that case his value is maximized by keeping him, then resigning him for a reasonable amount, or S&T for value next summer.

He may have more value now as a piece in a larger deal.

It is the classic line “he will have value as an expiring.” In reality, the only value an expiring has is to help other teams clear their bad salary off their books. An expiring contract can get you better players on longer deals; if you want to take on Lavine, Poole, Collins, etc contracts. However, an expiring contract doesn’t necessarily have any positive value. It can possibly be useful in certain scenarios, but teams aren’t offering anything of value for Tobias. The Suns were trying to come up with a way to move Ayton and land Tobias, but that’s about it.

The constant declaration that a player automatically has value as an expiring makes me laugh. Even with Lavine or Lillard, people say “well it’s only x amount of years left, then in the last year he will have value as an expiring” lol. The only value 37 year old Lillard’s $63 million final season of his deal will have, will be to trade for $63 million in crap from another team.

Tobias is a special case because he does have significant "on-court" value (though not anywhere near his $39M contract) + optionality value to resign or S&T for a more reasonable number next summer. That may be more than his expiring contract value which is valued as you describe.

sodmoraes · Post #1195 » by **sodmoraes** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 11:45 pm

If i were Reed i wouldnt want to go back to sixers, i would try to get the most money possible , in a place where i could play the most minutes. Here he will always be a backup, and was always playing low minutes, getting yelled by Harden and PJ dog tucker. He needs to get his bag.

Post #1196 » by **Stanford** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 11:50 pm

Paul, no one will love you like we love you. Think this through.

Post #1197 » by **sixers hoops** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 11:59 pm

Arsenal wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Paul Reed a coinflip to return.

https://www.libertyballers.com/2023/7/7/23787574/philadelphia-sixers-paul-reed-free-agency-daryl-morey-san-antonio-spurs-utah-jazz

If that cheap bastard owner loses Basketball I've got my pitchfork ready.

I dont think the owner cares what Paul Reed makes. I don’t really know that they should be doing anything right now other than making an average offer. Since he is restricted, see if he can go out and get a deal, then they have option to match. If he can’t get a deal, then his expectations could come down later in the summer.

I feel like it benefits the team to wait on a restricted guy. If he gets a monster offer from a team less worried about their salary cap, then we can let him walk. If he can’t get a good deal, they can make him an offer good enough for him to take now rather than taking the qualifying offer.

Arsenal · Post #1198 » by **Arsenal** » Sat Jul 8, 2023 12:06 am

sixers hoops wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Paul Reed a coinflip to return.

https://www.libertyballers.com/2023/7/7/23787574/philadelphia-sixers-paul-reed-free-agency-daryl-morey-san-antonio-spurs-utah-jazz

If that cheap bastard owner loses Basketball I've got my pitchfork ready.

I dont think the owner cares what Paul Reed makes. I don’t really know that they should be doing anything right now other than making an average offer. Since he is restricted, see if he can go out and get a deal, then they have option to match. If he can’t get a deal, then his expectations could come down later in the summer.

I feel like it benefits the team to wait on a restricted guy. If he gets a monster offer from a team less worried about their salary cap, then we can let him walk. If he can’t get a good deal, they can make him an offer good enough for him to take now rather than taking the qualifying offer.

I'm not interested in rationalizations and logic anymore from this cheap bastard ownership. We better match any offer. It's not acceptable to lose Basketball.

mjkvol · Post #1199 » by **mjkvol** » Sat Jul 8, 2023 12:17 am

sixers hoops wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Paul Reed a coinflip to return.

https://www.libertyballers.com/2023/7/7/23787574/philadelphia-sixers-paul-reed-free-agency-daryl-morey-san-antonio-spurs-utah-jazz

If that cheap bastard owner loses Basketball I've got my pitchfork ready.

I dont think the owner cares what Paul Reed makes. I don’t really know that they should be doing anything right now other than making an average offer. Since he is restricted, see if he can go out and get a deal, then they have option to match. If he can’t get a deal, then his expectations could come down later in the summer.

I feel like it benefits the team to wait on a restricted guy. If he gets a monster offer from a team less worried about their salary cap, then we can let him walk. If he can’t get a good deal, they can make him an offer good enough for him to take now rather than taking the qualifying offer.

Agree. I love Reed, but it's bad business to chase a restricted player, and worse to make him a lowball offer he turns down. There's no hurry here.

Skates · Post #1200 » by **Skates** » Sat Jul 8, 2023 3:09 am

Isiah Joe
Charles Bassey
Julian Champagnie
Jalen McDaniels

Four young athletic players who are complete or relative bargains left go by a team trying to avoid paying the tax while paying more than their entire salaries combined to PJ Tucker.

That is utterly terrible roster building and construction especially for a team that seems to be retooling around a Maxey-Embiid core. Literal malpractice by the front office with few draft assets to replace them. And now in danger of losing Paul Reed, it’s so damn stupid, sigh…