76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

As sombering as the offseason and trade deadline have been, it's clear that roster building was secondary this year to maintaining flexibility for star hunting.

As a pro-Morey poster, I 100% agree with FireMorey's earlier post that this next year is sink or swim time. Acquiring a star is not easy, but that's Morey's duty. Is he creative or lucky enough to make it happen?

That being said, I'm pro-Morey because I think he has a vision and understands the assignment which is a lot more than some of the GMs out there (including a bunch of recent Sixers GMs).

For the love of Wilt, swim Morey, swim.

I like Morey too. I think he inherited a team that was financially stuck with Tobias Harris, Al Horford, and a few others. It took four years but he's finally cleaned house and he'll get his shot at building things back the way he and Nurse want to this summer. I'm willing to wait and see how he does with a new roster of players before I make any judgment on him. He's come in and kept us in the contender conversation which was all we could ask for. Elton Brand damn near sank this franchise and Morey cleaned all that up. It took time, and now it's sink or swim for him. This offseason is going to be huge for him and this franchise.

[FireMorey]

Irrespective of the Sixers:

Lakers(Davis, LeBron) GM played NO role in both of those
Clippers(George, Kawhi, Harden) Gm played NO role in Kawhi and close to no role in giving up a farm for PG, Harden demanding a trade to LAC isnt on GM too
Cavs(Mitchell)
Suns(Durant, Beal) Beal lol
Nets(Durant, Kyrie, Harden) GM played no role in Durant/Kyrie, Harden demanding a trade to LAC isnt on GM
Raptors(Kawhi)
Bucks(Lillard, Holiday at the time acquired was borderline)
Heat(Butler)
Warriors(Durant)
Mavericks(Kyrie) lol
Knicks(Brunson... wasn't a true star at the time they signed him, but has become one, so if you want to exclude this, fine)

Most of those had nothing to do with GM. Morey landing Harden is pretty similar to Butler, Kyrie to Mavs and Kawhi to Raps, it just didnt work out as good as first two.
Our summer plans are exactly for situations like Mitchell or Durant to Suns, and some people act like it would be better to give that option up for Dejonte Murray

I didn't create the question or make the parameters, I was just answering a question. Regardless, I'm not even sure what the debate is here. All I said is that the hope when Morey was hired was that he could acquire a star player. I don't think anyone is going to disagree with that. Everyone was hoping that and everyone is still hoping for that.

And I think I can say that every fan when he was hired was hoping for more than he's done so far.

[brannigan73]

Can someone explain to me in a way that makes sense,and follows NBA rules,how we are going to have a roster that includes another top 20 player along with Embiid and maxey and then isn't one of the worst rosters in the league otherwise. It would seem to me to involve sign and trade deal with our bird rights vets who I don't think have much value at all. Bundleing them together with picks and turning that into another star and a rotation player or two. Good luck Daryl.

[zaz102]

I know Morey bashing is a popular thing right about now. But Kork, House and Morris who were all traded away and the team got some kind of return on them. Each on of them got released from the team they were traded to. That is some good work by the GM and even better work by the coach who actually used these guys to win a game or two.

And don't get me wrong I really enjoyed Pat Beverly's time here, but the trade deadline is a fluid animal and things change quickly. Morey traded him to a team that is going to the playoffs and his profile will increase. There was a period of time when Beverly was on the open market and I don't recall teams breaking their necks to sign him. Morey signed him Beverly made the most of his situation it was a win win for everyone.

But the Springer trade, because it's to Boston, just rubs me the wrong way.

Why not part with one first round pick for bogdanovich? Are you telling me that one damn 1 st round pick is going to stop us from getting a superstar this summer? Your not getting a superstar with just first round picks any way there is always a talented young player involved along with the pics. Morey tried to go halfway and imo failed miserably. This team is going to continue to rack up losses until Embiid returns. I honestly don't see the point of Embiid returning if we are not top 6 seed. I just wish some of you would stop being so gullible and acting like we have forever with Embiid a walking injury timebomb.

Bojan might be better than Hield, but I guess that's the question-

Is he that much better that you think he's the difference between winning a championship this year? Or do you feel the extra 1st could be the difference in outbidding another team to acquire a bigger difference maker?

I'd rather have the 1st.

[brannigan73]

I would have gotten both hield and bogdanovich. Also I don't believe your getting a superstar. The type of player will be a Siakam level guy imo. That shouldn't take 5 firsts. I'll continue to bet against sixers management because it's almost always a winning bet

[zaz102]

Can someone explain to me in a way that makes sense,and follows NBA rules,how we are going to have a roster that includes another top 20 player along with Embiid and maxey and then isn't one of the worst rosters in the league otherwise. It would seem to me to involve sign and trade deal with our bird rights vets who I don't think have much value at all. Bundleing them together with picks and turning that into another star and a rotation player or two. Good luck Daryl.

It's hard to answer this without knowing the player. This is a very good question if that player s Paul Geroge. I guess you have to rely on vets looking to take cheap deals for a shot at the championship.

And I don't think it needs to be a top 20 player. If it's someone like Markkanen, Bridges, then it's a lot easier at least for the next year or two.

[cool93]

I didn't create the question or make the parameters, I was just answering a question. Regardless, I'm not even sure what the debate is here. All I said is that the hope when Morey was hired was that he could acquire a star player. I don't think anyone is going to disagree with that. Everyone was hoping that and everyone is still hoping for that.

And I think I can say that every fan when he was hired was hoping for more than he's done so far.

He got Harden, it just didn't work out. He has ammo to try and get another one this summer.
Morey came to a team that was in deep **** asset wise, got as good of a trade for Ben Simmons as possible in that time (and yes that includes Haliburton, who we dont even know for sure to be available).
My only problem with him is not firing Doc earlier, otherwise most moves he made were at least solid.

[brannigan73]

Can someone explain to me in a way that makes sense,and follows NBA rules,how we are going to have a roster that includes another top 20 player along with Embiid and maxey and then isn't one of the worst rosters in the league otherwise. It would seem to me to involve sign and trade deal with our bird rights vets who I don't think have much value at all. Bundleing them together with picks and turning that into another star and a rotation player or two. Good luck Daryl.

It's hard to answer this without knowing the player. This is a very good question if that player s Paul Geroge. I guess you have to rely on vets looking to take cheap deals for a shot at the championship.

And I don't think it needs to be a top 20 player. If it's someone like Markkanen, Bridges, then it's a lot easier at least for the next year or two.

Why would Paul George leave a Clippers team that looks like the best or second best team in the league. If we are going for that level player why didn't we trade for Siakam and then we would have had the bird rights to try to sign guys like Harris, Melton, and Batum. I know Siakam isn't a perfect fit but he is a very good player. I hope Morey pulls a rabbit out of his hat but this organization never gets it done

[zaz102]

I would have gotten both hield and bogdanovich. Also I don't believe your getting a superstar. The type of player will be a Siakam level guy imo. That shouldn't take 5 firsts. I'll continue to bet against sixers management because it's almost always a winning bet

You might be right, but I think it's more than to fair a major trade could happen. Your balancing the risk of this versus the risk of potentially losing the chance at a star. I think the idea is that you try to get the prize and then you can trade whatever assets you have left on guys like Bojan to fill out the roster if needed. Better to make sure you have enough than not enough. And there have been trades rumored trade proposals around five 1sts so I don't think that a ridiculous number of 1sts to hold on to.

As for star players, in the last couple years alone, we've seen the following guys traded/switch teams that i would say were as good or better than Siakim at the time.

Harden, Dame, Jrue, Durant, Kyrie, Brunson, Haliburton, Mitchell, Gobert, Beal, Paul, Markkanen, Bridges

[Black Mage]

Can someone explain to me in a way that makes sense,and follows NBA rules,how we are going to have a roster that includes another top 20 player along with Embiid and maxey and then isn't one of the worst rosters in the league otherwise. It would seem to me to involve sign and trade deal with our bird rights vets who I don't think have much value at all. Bundleing them together with picks and turning that into another star and a rotation player or two. Good luck Daryl.

It's hard to answer this without knowing the player. This is a very good question if that player s Paul Geroge. I guess you have to rely on vets looking to take cheap deals for a shot at the championship.

And I don't think it needs to be a top 20 player. If it's someone like Markkanen, Bridges, then it's a lot easier at least for the next year or two.

It's one thing to say "someone like Bridges or Markkanen" but neither of those guys are available so what other "someones" do you consider to be like them that are likely to be available?

[zaz102]

Can someone explain to me in a way that makes sense,and follows NBA rules,how we are going to have a roster that includes another top 20 player along with Embiid and maxey and then isn't one of the worst rosters in the league otherwise. It would seem to me to involve sign and trade deal with our bird rights vets who I don't think have much value at all. Bundleing them together with picks and turning that into another star and a rotation player or two. Good luck Daryl.

It's hard to answer this without knowing the player. This is a very good question if that player s Paul Geroge. I guess you have to rely on vets looking to take cheap deals for a shot at the championship.

And I don't think it needs to be a top 20 player. If it's someone like Markkanen, Bridges, then it's a lot easier at least for the next year or two.

Why would Paul George leave a Clippers team that looks like the best or second best team in the league. If we are going for that level player why didn't we trade for Siakam and then we would have had the bird rights to try to sign guys like Harris, Melton, and Batum. I know Siakam isn't a perfect fit but he is a very good player. I hope Morey pulls a rabbit out of his hat but this organization never gets it done

For George, money. Most likely not leaving, but why did they not re-sign him yet. Maybe there's a good reason I'm not aware of.

I think Siakim is a very good player, but Siakim is not a good fit with Embiid. Bad three point shooter and operates in the same area as Embiid. I would've been happier with OG out of the Raptor guys.

[brannigan73]

Im hoping Morey can do something great just skeptical and my personal philosophy is to not punt seasons. Imo we have. By the time Embiid comes back imo we will be 7th if he comes back mid March or later. We looked like one of the worst teams in the league at home against the nets and warriors I don't see Hield by himself boosting them much. Payne is not an upgrade imo. His superior offense is mitigated by being a worse defender and passer then Pat Bev. Kyle Lowry is cooked it honesty hurts me that people are looking at that as some kind of hopeful thing. The heat aren't dumb lol.

[zaz102]

Can someone explain to me in a way that makes sense,and follows NBA rules,how we are going to have a roster that includes another top 20 player along with Embiid and maxey and then isn't one of the worst rosters in the league otherwise. It would seem to me to involve sign and trade deal with our bird rights vets who I don't think have much value at all. Bundleing them together with picks and turning that into another star and a rotation player or two. Good luck Daryl.

It's hard to answer this without knowing the player. This is a very good question if that player s Paul Geroge. I guess you have to rely on vets looking to take cheap deals for a shot at the championship.

And I don't think it needs to be a top 20 player. If it's someone like Markkanen, Bridges, then it's a lot easier at least for the next year or two.

It's one thing to say "someone like Bridges or Markkanen" but neither of those guys are available so what other "someones" do you consider to be like them that are likely to be available?

Nobody is available. Paul George wasn't available either. If there was anybody like them, they likely would've been traded. I bring up them because there was at least rumors about them. Top 30 or so players obviously don't grow on trees, but it seems like a handful get traded every year.

If you get a star, it's a lot safer to assume you'll be paying a lot more.

I'm making this up on the fly, but here's a rough idea:
Let's say the top three make $120M ($50M + $40M + $30M). That would give them about $70M to stay under the 2nd apron. Maybe $35M for two starters. Another $20M for 6th and 7th men. And then the remaining $15M for the rest of the roster.

[Negrodamus]

Im not going to create the thread, but it’ll be very funny when Trae beats us in the playoffs by averaging 40 ppg and 10 apg because we got rid of everyone who can defend him.

[Eyeamok]

Im hoping Morey can do something great just skeptical and my personal philosophy is to not punt seasons. Imo we have. By the time Embiid comes back imo we will be 7th if he comes back mid March or later. We looked like one of the worst teams in the league at home against the nets and warriors I don't see Hield by himself boosting them much. Payne is not an upgrade imo. His superior offense is mitigated by being a worse defender and passer then Pat Bev. Kyle Lowry is cooked it honesty hurts me that people are looking at that as some kind of hopeful thing. The heat aren't dumb lol.

If Embiid does come back and the 76era are in 7th place then good the Bucks will fall again in the first round.

[Arsenal]

Im not going to create the thread, but it’ll be very funny when Trae beats us in the playoffs by averaging 40 ppg and 10 apg because we got rid of everyone who can defend him.

The Hawks have zero chance against us if Embiid is healthy. If he isn’t then who cares?

In fact, if this team can get healthy, they can beat anyone in the East except Boston. Just need to avoid the 8th seed.

[brannigan73]

Can we agree now that we basically punted on the season? No magical buy outs are coming to allow us to stay in the top 6. Morey wants to add a third star in the offseason and Embiid isnt healthy so he decided to put this year out of its misery. I know Maxey didn't play tonight but we couldnt get one win against Brooklyn, Golden State, and Atlanta at home. We have quite a few games left against Boston, Milwaukee, Cleveland and New York. If I had to set the over and under on this team right now for wins assuming Embiid is back in the last two tweeks of March somewhere it would be 41 wins and I would be betting under. But hey we have a magical off-season to look forward to! Just thinkin' about tommorrow clears away the cobwebs and the sorrow till theres none! One last thing Paul Reed is not the answer as the back up center. He is not good lol.

[76ciology]

No, i dont think we’ve punted the season. I even like our team a lot better now, specially when everyone’s back.

[Ben]

One last thing Paul Reed is not the answer as the back up center. He is not good lol.

No one in their right minds could have thought that Reed was an answer as backup center. He's a forward being forced to play out of position until (and unless) he stays in the league 5-6 more years and puts on a lot of weight/muscle and slows down. Not sure what kind of secret you think you've unlocked.

[Arsenal]

I didn't create the question or make the parameters, I was just answering a question. Regardless, I'm not even sure what the debate is here. All I said is that the hope when Morey was hired was that he could acquire a star player. I don't think anyone is going to disagree with that. Everyone was hoping that and everyone is still hoping for that.

And I think I can say that every fan when he was hired was hoping for more than he's done so far.

He got Harden, it just didn't work out. He has ammo to try and get another one this summer.
Morey came to a team that was in deep **** asset wise, got as good of a trade for Ben Simmons as possible in that time (and yes that includes Haliburton, who we dont even know for sure to be available).
My only problem with him is not firing Doc earlier, otherwise most moves he made were at least solid.

There’s no way Morey could have fired Doc earlier. That was 100% an ownership call. They’re also the idiots who hired Doc on a long contract right before hiring Morey.