2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft

eyeatoma · Post #1181 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue May 13, 2025 11:07 pm

Tre Johnson or try to move up.

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sodmoraes · Post #1182 » by **sodmoraes** » Tue May 13, 2025 11:24 pm

Charlote forum has some good information for the players in our range ( they have a topic for every draft candidate). Good info comparing Kon and Tre below:

JMAC3 wrote:Tre Johnson is the best shooter available at 4.
- I know people might say Kon, but them shooting off the dribble is nowhere in the same conversation.

Kon 3/21 on off dribble threes.
Tre 38/99 on off dribble threes.

If we dont wanna draft Bailey, Tre is my guy. He will be a big time scorer.

Iverson Armband · Post #1183 » by **Iverson Armband** » Tue May 13, 2025 11:28 pm

I’m all in on Tre. VJ won’t be able to score enough to be justified at #3. Tre’s shooting and footwork is already All-Star level and he fits in nicely between Maxey and Grimes. We would have potentially the best 4 guard rotation in the league that would absolutely shoot the lights out.

Tre also has the size to be atleast a decent defender. I’d like to see how he interviews to judge his desire to work on that end.

Arsenal · Post #1184 » by **Arsenal** » Tue May 13, 2025 11:48 pm

Cedric Coward 6'5" barefoot with a crazy 7'2" wingspan (+9). Basically another Jalen Williams. We gotta get this guy but he's climbing the boards fast.

Post #1185 » by **Stanford** » Wed May 14, 2025 12:00 am

K'nipple

eyeatoma · Post #1186 » by **eyeatoma** » Wed May 14, 2025 12:24 am

I'll also say, this is where Morey really excels. If he thinks Bailey has it, then we'll take it, if not, we might grab Tre, or someone else. He'll likely try to maximise the asset by getting picks for it, and still getting our guy, or I really hope he tries to move up.

I'd give up one of Grimes or McCaine to be able to move up to the 2nd and grab Harper.

Especially with the Clippers pick we have a lot of optionality.

Moving up to 2nd, and the Spurs take 3rd, really still allows them to get 2 for 1. You get one of McCain or Grimes, and then you could still take Bailey, Edjecomb, K'Nipple, or whoever. It's actually in the Spurs best interest to trade. Only think I'm worried about is if they go for Giannis, that being said I think the Bucks would want Flagg not Harper.

sodmoraes · Post #1187 » by **sodmoraes** » Wed May 14, 2025 12:26 am

Apparently Queen stats on the combine were pretty bad. Will that make him fall on the draft?

TimeForChange wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:I got to eat crow here with my Queen takes. Those combine stats put him with the likes of terrible nobody centres

he can't play the 4 or the 5 in the nba.

he is going to bust hard.

FireMorey · Post #1188 » by **FireMorey** » Wed May 14, 2025 12:27 am

Bailey and Johnson are my top two and I'm not gaga over either. I'd love to be able to trade down and get one of them. Maybe some team adores Edgecombe and as some analysts have said, NBA GMs vary on Bailey so if the teams behind the Sixers are so-so on him, maybe they could trade down a couple spots and still grab him. Obviously talking ideal scenarios here.

Negrodamus · Post #1189 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed May 14, 2025 12:47 am

I’d personally rather take Ace Bailey at three than give up assets to move up for Harper and I hate Ace as a prospect.

76ciology · Post #1190 » by **76ciology** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:18 am

Stanford wrote:K'nipple

You are giving Kate Scott ideas

76ciology · Post #1191 » by **76ciology** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:21 am

Queen’s questions defense with limited rim protection (and questionable mobility) at the 4 or 5 is too big of a liability to be offset by his ceiling as a 20 PPG scorer.

On a team with Maxey, Embiid, Grimes, and Paul George, he’d likely be the fifth option anyway.

76ciology · Post #1192 » by **76ciology** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:27 am

For the third pick, I’m sticking with the mock I posted a couple of weeks ago.

I still have Kasparas, Maluach, and Tre as strong options at that spot.

Kasparas and Tre bring strong lead guard and alpha traits based on numbers, while Maluach stands out for his high floor as a lob threat, rim protecting big. He also has intriguing shooting and scoring upside both skills with solid foundations, though still a work in progress.

There are other solid options like CMB and KK, but with a top 3 pick, I think those three are the only ones truly worth betting on.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #1193 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:32 am

76ciology wrote:Queen’s questions defense with limited rim protection at the 4 or 5 is too big of a liability to be offset by his ceiling as a 20 PPG scorer.

On a team with Maxey, Embiid, Grimes, and Paul George, he’d likely be the fifth option anyway.

You mention this^ Maxey, Grimes, PG, and Glass Jo and it makes perfect sense to just take Edgecombe. Bailey to a lesser extent because the pressure will be off of him. I like Bailey and I think he'll be a great pro IF..IF he goes to the right team with the right situation. I feel like we'd be a good fit for him or Edgecombe because neither will be expected to be a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th option. They essentially get the Kawhi treatment and as the years go by eventually they take over. That's why I like them. I take Tre Johnson for immediate help on offense, but is his ceiling as high as theirs?

76ciology · Post #1194 » by **76ciology** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:36 am

If what Morey said is true, then the guy they might be eyeing is Edgecombe. His numbers check out, and he reminds me of a best case version of Jaden Springer, a player Morey once used a 1st round pick on.

In that context, it makes some sense. But I’m not sure it still holds up when you’re talking about a top 3 pick. Teams usually swing for star upside at that spot, and I’m not convinced Edgecombe has that.

When it comes to guards, ball skills, playmaking, and shot creation are valued far more than defense and athleticism. Edgecombe struggles in the areas that matter most for guards and excels in areas that aren’t typically prioritized for the position.

Plus, Morey genuinely sounded confident and pleased with the Maxey-Grimes backcourt in the RTRS podcast.

76ciology · Post #1195 » by **76ciology** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:43 am

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
76ciology wrote:Queen’s questions defense with limited rim protection at the 4 or 5 is too big of a liability to be offset by his ceiling as a 20 PPG scorer.

On a team with Maxey, Embiid, Grimes, and Paul George, he’d likely be the fifth option anyway.

You mention this^ Maxey, Grimes, PG, and Glass Jo and it makes perfect sense to just take Edgecombe. Bailey to a lesser extent because the pressure will be off of him. I like Bailey and I think he'll be a great pro IF..IF he goes to the right team with the right situation. I feel like we'd be a good fit for him or Edgecombe because neither will be expected to be a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th option. They essentially get the Kawhi treatment and as the years go by eventually they take over. That's why I like them. I take Tre Johnson for immediate help on offense, but is his ceiling as high as theirs?

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m pretty confident Morey isn’t a fan of Ace Bailey.

He’s posting a 53% TS, 30% 3PTr, and has a 24% FTr. I haven’t seen a single metric where he truly stands out.

If we had always known he was just 6’7”, I doubt he’d be getting nearly this much hype.

76ciology · Post #1196 » by **76ciology** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:55 am

I’ve been thinking about how we’ve got some strong guard prospects to choose from with the 3rd overall pick and whether Morey would factor in the team context, given we already have three solid guards on the roster.

But honestly, I don’t think he’d mind drafting another guard. In today’s NBA, playing 3–4 guards at once is pretty common. Teams like the Thunder and Warriors do it regularly. We’ve even done it ourselves, going back to when guys like Danny Green and George Hill were slotted in at the 3 and 4.

If I’m not mistaken, back when Harden was still here, we ran lineups with Harden at the 3 and Melton and Maxey in the backcourt.

You could easily go small with a lineup of George and Embiid at the 4–5 and three guards. Or go big with George, Yabu, and Embiid at the 3–5 and Maxey and Grimes in the backcourt.

Kobblehead · Post #1197 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed May 14, 2025 1:56 am

I'd trade back for a pick in the Top Ten plus an unused prospect.

Houston seems ideal partner for this. Trade #3 for #10 and Cam Whitmore.

Cam Whitmore this year per-36: 20.8 points, 6.6 boards, 2.1 assists, 1.3 steals, 0.6 blocks. Freak athlete at 6'7" 230.

Then take Collin Murray-Boyles at #10.

Iverson Armband · Post #1198 » by **Iverson Armband** » Wed May 14, 2025 2:18 am

Kobblehead wrote:I'd trade back for a pick in the Top Ten plus an unused prospect.

Houston seems ideal partner for this. Trade #3 for #10 and Cam Whitmore.

Cam Whitmore this year per-36: 20.8 points, 6.6 boards, 2.1 assists, 1.3 steals, 0.6 blocks. Freak athlete at 6'7" 230.

Then take Collin Murray-Boyles at #10.

I’m surprised you’re not all in on Tre Johnson. A bomber like that seems like your type of player.

Arsenal · Post #1199 » by **Arsenal** » Wed May 14, 2025 2:30 am

Noa Essengue is the home run swing. If we trade down he's the guy I want.

Negrodamus · Post #1200 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed May 14, 2025 2:31 am

Iverson Armband wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:I'd trade back for a pick in the Top Ten plus an unused prospect.

Houston seems ideal partner for this. Trade #3 for #10 and Cam Whitmore.

Cam Whitmore this year per-36: 20.8 points, 6.6 boards, 2.1 assists, 1.3 steals, 0.6 blocks. Freak athlete at 6'7" 230.

Then take Collin Murray-Boyles at #10.

I’m surprised you’re not all in on Tre Johnson. A bomber like that seems like your type of player.

The longer I'm evaluating everything, the closer I am to settling on Tre as a real option at 3 even though he is truly one of the worst defensive players I've watched.

Who do you want us to take at #3?