The Sixerfan1976 Draft Thread (Update Pg. 49)

[radrmd216]

Well hopefully Collins sees Iggy at that pre-draft workout, and thinks Iggy is good, but Cousins is better. I still Ed will still have to okay things.

[tk76]

Noccioni has 2 more years and then a team option. Iguodala has 3 more years and then a player option (for 16M!)

So for the next 2 years the #5 pick + Noccioni would account for as much cap space as Iguodala. But the last 2 years it would free up a good 8-10M at the same time Lou and Brand come of the books. So that type of deal does not give you cap space until 3 years from now.

In terms of destinations, I would think GSW and Tor would be more interested in Iguodala than Sac. because Sac probably wants a wing who can shoot to team with Evans.

[KrazySixersD]

i dont care what it takes to get cousins back, even if we take on a bad contract... to build around jrue, turner, and cousins is GREAT...

[tk76]

And a starting lineup of:

Jrue
Turner
Thad
Speights
Cousins

would have promise, but also have enough growing pains to ensure a couple more high picks to add to the young talent base. By the time Brand comes off the books in 3 years the team would be stocked.

in the meantime, the team might not be great, but they would be compelling.

[ZzAzZ]

I just don't like the Speights part.

[ZarcMumoff]

And a starting lineup of:

Jrue
Turner
Thad
Speights
Cousins

would have promise, but also have enough growing pains to ensure a couple more high picks to add to the young talent base. By the time Brand comes off the books in 3 years the team would be stocked.

in the meantime, the team might not be great, but they would be compelling.

I wouldn't mind acquiring a guy like Larry Sanders for Speights if we get Cousins. As long as Speights becomes an average defender.

Jrue
Turner
Thad
Sanders
Cousins

Then we have a good defensive presence down low. I would be happy with a Cousins and Speights Front court because they would just wreck on the offensive side.

[radrmd216]

I like Sanders.
I think even overpaying a little for Cousins is okay. The Sixers might lose a little value in the trade, but they get cap space, a young core, and one or two high draft picks. If the Sixers get a couple more high drafts picks that puts them up with the Blazers and Thunder.

[sec-106]

I think Collins is now running the team. ES is a figure head.

That would be Christmas in June.

[Sixerlover]

SF76 has to be linked to DiLeo. He was giving us info during the Billy King era, told us about the Stefanski hiring, and is continuing to give us info in the Stefanski era(I do ALOT more reading than posting). Who is the guy that have been around that long in the FO that would actually know what is going on in the trenches? DiLeo or one of his scouts.

Just a random observation

[The Guilty Party]

SF76 has to be linked to DiLeo. He was giving us info during the Billy King era, told us about the Stefanski hiring, and is continuing to give us info in the Stefanski era(I do ALOT more reading than posting). Who is the guy that have been around that long in the FO that would actually know what is going on in the trenches? DiLeo or one of his scouts.

Just a random observation

Perhaps but I don't think our goal here should be to try and out SF76 or his source. Don't forget that Courtney Witte has been with the Sixers that entire time as well though so don't be so sure that it's DiLeo.

[ponder719]

SF76 has to be linked to DiLeo. He was giving us info during the Billy King era, told us about the Stefanski hiring, and is continuing to give us info in the Stefanski era(I do ALOT more reading than posting). Who is the guy that have been around that long in the FO that would actually know what is going on in the trenches? DiLeo or one of his scouts.

Just a random observation

Perhaps but I don't think our goal here should be to try and out SF76 or his source. Don't forget that Courtney Witte has been with the Sixers that entire time as well though so don't be so sure that it's DiLeo.

For that matter, so has Ed Snider.

[celtics_suck]

Why do so many of my fellow sixer fans so much like Cousins ? And what makes you think someone just barely 6ft,9 can play Center ? And who is maybe the worst conditioned player coming out of college the past 20 years, and with what is described as the worst Attitude, and work ethic as well ?



I mean what is the Attraction ?

[Busch Legion]

Why do so many of my fellow sixer fans so much like Cousins ? And what makes you think someone just barely 6ft,9 can play Center ? And who is maybe the worst conditioned player coming out of college the past 20 years, and with what is described as the worst Attitude, and work ethic as well ?



I mean what is the Attraction ?

I tend to agree with all that, but him putting up 15 points, 10 boards and blocking 2 shots in 24... TWENTY FOUR minutes.

Thats kinda the appeal.

[Kobblehead]

Lmao at pointing out his production in limited minutes as if it's some sort of impressive feat. The limited minutes is a concern! Bad conditioning and/or foul trouble.

[tk76]

Among prospects the productivity leaders were:

(IIRC)
Turner 34
Cousins 30
Next guy <25

So yes, those numbers mean something.

[Negrodamus]

Why do so many of my fellow sixer fans so much like Cousins ? And what makes you think someone just barely 6ft,9 can play Center ? And who is maybe the worst conditioned player coming out of college the past 20 years, and with what is described as the worst Attitude, and work ethic as well ?



I mean what is the Attraction ?

Probably because everything you just said is wrong.

[freshie2]

Cousins is very talented, there are some concerns which are valid, but I don't get bashing him like that. There are points where you take a chance on him, but there is no logic through which you can justify taking him @ 2 over Turner. 5-10 range he is well placed, but he's not in the top 2...nor is he in the bottom half which is what I believe essentially is being stated.

[F-Stop]

Why do so many of my fellow sixer fans so much like Cousins ? And what makes you think someone just barely 6ft,9 can play Center ? And who is maybe the worst conditioned player coming out of college the past 20 years, and with what is described as the worst Attitude, and work ethic as well ?



I mean what is the Attraction ?

1st look at his stats - no his per just what he was able to do with 55% court time. As you look through the season you see he recd more time and produced more. The games got harder as Kentucky went into their SEC schedule and still he produced. Calipari saw a player who was working and rewarded him for his production with more time & responsibilities and he responded.
Despite the rumors attached to his attitude and conditioning a 6'10ft 290lb 19yr old at a top flight program gave you 15/10 for a plus 30 win program where he surpassed a possible lottery level talent on his own team.
Cousins is a true center. During the year Cousins has shown the ability to rebound and score in the post. In the Sacremento workouts Cousins displayed that he has a jumpshot. Supposedly Cousins has dropped his BFI 2% since the combine.
Come 6/21 Cousins & Favors will do battle in New Jersey. Hopefully he can answer more questions

[celtics_suck]

Why do so many of my fellow sixer fans so much like Cousins ? And what makes you think someone just barely 6ft,9 can play Center ? And who is maybe the worst conditioned player coming out of college the past 20 years, and with what is described as the worst Attitude, and work ethic as well ?



I mean what is the Attraction ?

1st look at his stats - no his per just what he was able to do with 55% court time. As you look through the season you see he recd more time and produced more. The games got harder as Kentucky went into their SEC schedule and still he produced. Calipari saw a player who was working and rewarded him for his production with more time & responsibilities and he responded.
Despite the rumors attached to his attitude and conditioning a 6'10ft 290lb 19yr old at a top flight program gave you 15/10 for a plus 30 win program where he surpassed a possible lottery level talent on his own team.
Cousins is a true center. During the year Cousins has shown the ability to rebound and score in the post. In the Sacremento workouts Cousins displayed that he has a jumpshot. Supposedly Cousins has dropped his BFI 2% since the combine.
Come 6/21 Cousins & Favors will do battle in New Jersey. Hopefully he can answer more questions

I agree Cousins can use his Big bloated body to get position against college players barely weighing 230 Lbs. But the fact that he did only play 23 minutes a game tells me he has some serious conditioning Issues. I saw him play in the tournament. And I saw a picture of him weeks later at the Pre-draft camp. And no way, no how is anyone gonna tell me that Cousins was working out after the tournament. He was as fat, and as bloated as anyone I have ever seen. And BTW, Pounding that big body game after game in the NBA is only going to tear up his knees. I mean name ONE College player who was built like Cousins who did not have knee Issues. I mean the human body is not constructed to carry that much weight on a taller, and longer body. I guess I have no Issues if we wanted to trade down from 2 to 4, and get Turner. But not for Iggy. I would rather try to see if Iggy could be packaged with someone else for a still pretty young and proven NBA SG. That way Turner would not be needed at # 2. We can deal that to Minny who desperately wants Turner, get some other assets as well, and still take Cousins at 4.


I like that scenario alot better than drafting Turner, and trading away a young proven NBA Star like Iggy for a Unproven, horribly conditioned, and bad Attitude college player like Cousins.


But thats just me.

[Negrodamus]

Why do so many of my fellow sixer fans so much like Cousins ? And what makes you think someone just barely 6ft,9 can play Center ? And who is maybe the worst conditioned player coming out of college the past 20 years, and with what is described as the worst Attitude, and work ethic as well ?



I mean what is the Attraction ?

1st look at his stats - no his per just what he was able to do with 55% court time. As you look through the season you see he recd more time and produced more. The games got harder as Kentucky went into their SEC schedule and still he produced. Calipari saw a player who was working and rewarded him for his production with more time & responsibilities and he responded.
Despite the rumors attached to his attitude and conditioning a 6'10ft 290lb 19yr old at a top flight program gave you 15/10 for a plus 30 win program where he surpassed a possible lottery level talent on his own team.
Cousins is a true center. During the year Cousins has shown the ability to rebound and score in the post. In the Sacremento workouts Cousins displayed that he has a jumpshot. Supposedly Cousins has dropped his BFI 2% since the combine.
Come 6/21 Cousins & Favors will do battle in New Jersey. Hopefully he can answer more questions

I agree Cousins can use his Big bloated body to get position against college players barely weighing 230 Lbs. But the fact that he did only play 23 minutes a game tells me he has some serious conditioning Issues. I saw him play in the tournament. And I saw a picture of him weeks later at the Pre-draft camp. And no way, no how is anyone gonna tell me that Cousins was working out after the tournament. He was as fat, and as bloated as anyone I have ever seen. And BTW, Pounding that big body game after game in the NBA is only going to tear up his knees. I mean name ONE College player who was built like Cousins who did not have knee Issues. I mean the human body is not constructed to carry that much weight on a taller, and longer body. I guess I have no Issues if we wanted to trade down from 2 to 4, and get Turner. But not for Iggy. I would rather try to see if Iggy could be packaged with someone else for a still pretty young and proven NBA SG. That way Turner would not be needed at # 2. We can deal that to Minny who desperately wants Turner, get some other assets as well, and still take Cousins at 4.


I like that scenario alot better than drafting Turner, and trading away a young proven NBA Star like Iggy for a Unproven, horribly conditioned, and bad Attitude college player like Cousins.


But thats just me.

The reasons he played 23 minutes a game is because he would get too emotional and take himself out of the game.... at the beginning of the season. If you watch his minutes as the season went along, they increased pretty decently. He also had a problem with fouls that began to dissipate towards the end of the season. He played against some of the better big man competition in the country at the college level (Varnado, Davis, Samuels, Ogilvy, etc) and played exceptionally well. I'm sorry he can't play people his size because college players don't come in his blend of size and skill. Thats no fault of his own so I'm not sure what point you're making there.

Can I see these fat pictures you have of Cousins? (no homo)