Poll: Who do you want with #3? (VOTE AGAIN)

[Unbreakable99]

I do think we need to stop the comparisons of Russell to Curry. Curry is a once in a generation type player. He's also a better shooter with better handles and quicker than Russell. I would be shocked if Russell is even close to as good as Curry. I think Russell can be a lesser version of Klay Thompson or a better version of Beal.

Mudiay could be a better version of Jrue if he can develop his jump shot. Maybe he could be a better version of Tyreke. I think if Mudiay hits his absolute peak meaning he has a consistent jump shot then he could be a taller less quick version of Tony Parker. That right there could be the best PG in the league.

Tony Parker was never the best point guard in the league and his best attribute is his quickness.

Some people said he was the best. But if Parker were 4 inches taller he might be even better. Mudiay isn't as quick as him but he has height. Parker wasn't a good shooter when he got into the league. I'm just saying best case scenario. If Mudiay can shoot consistently then he could potentially be the best PG. He may never become a good shooter though and just may be a lesser version of John Wall. And if that's the case I wouldn't be too happy about that.

[76ciology]

On John Wall..

How do you guys feel if Wall was with the Spurs as their starting PG? I think he's misused with the Wizards by the volume of responsibilities given to him. I think he's got elite tools to be the best PG in the league with his size and athleticism. But even CP3 has Blake Griffin or DRose has Noah, Deng and Butler. But Wall was surrounded by role players that leads opponents to focus their defense on him. I do think that if you place him in a team like the Spurs where offense is a collective effort, he'd be in discussion as the top PG in the league, just like Parker in his prime back then.

[Ericb5]

On John Wall..

How do you guys feel if Wall was with the Spurs as their starting PG? I think he's misused with the Wizards by the volume of responsibilities given to him. I think he's got elite tools to be the best PG in the league with his size and athleticism. But even CP3 has Blake Griffin or DRose has Noah, Deng and Butler. But Wall was surrounded by role players that leads opponents to focus their defense on him. I do think that if you place him in a team like the Spurs where offense is a collective effort, he'd be in discussion as the top PG in the league, just like Parker in his prime back then.

I agree.

Wall is awesome, and people don't seem to give him credit for how much he has improved as a shooter.

I used to go back and forth between Mudiay and Russell, but I have convinced myself now that it is Mudiay all the way.

I am less concerned about spacing than I am about having a non point guard playing the point. I want a legit break down your man facilitator.

I think that a natural point guard version of Tyreke is right in Mudiay's wheelhouse, and he can even be better than that. Brett Brown and the Sixers staff have shown a lot of skill in developing players.


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[Unbreakable99]

On John Wall..

How do you guys feel if Wall was with the Spurs as their starting PG? I think he's misused with the Wizards by the volume of responsibilities given to him. I think he's got elite tools to be the best PG in the league with his size and athleticism. But even CP3 has Blake Griffin or DRose has Noah, Deng and Butler. But Wall was surrounded by role players that leads opponents to focus their defense on him. I do think that if you place him in a team like the Spurs where offense is a collective effort, he'd be in discussion as the top PG in the league, just like Parker in his prime back then.

I agree.

Wall is awesome, and people don't seem to give him credit for how much he has improved as a shooter.

I used to go back and forth between Mudiay and Russell, but I have convinced myself now that it is Mudiay all the way.

I am less concerned about spacing than I am about having a non point guard playing the point. I want a legit break down your man facilitator.

I think that a natural point guard version of Tyreke is right in Mudiay's wheelhouse, and he can even be better than that. Brett Brown and the Sixers staff have shown a lot of skill in developing players.


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Here is my question. Why can't Russell play point full time? I don't think it would be fought for him. He has great vision and probably a better passer than Mudiay. He is a better shooter and can space the floor. He can't drive as well as Mudiay though. If Hinkie drafts Russell I think he will do it knowing full well that Russell will be the full time PG and not a combo guard.

[Mik317]

Your PG simply needs to be able to get by dudes or at least get into the paint. It opens up so many passing chances and makes the defense work for it.

See Canaan.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I'm honestly not in love with either Mudiay or Russell, which is why I still really want the #1 pick to take the best player. I just have big concerns about both. I generally don't like players that can't shoot, and while I like Mudiay's size, quickness, athleticism, what if he never develops a jumper? He'll always be limited.

For Russell, I worry he just won't be as dominant a scorer in the NBA. Something about him, I can't put my finger on it. Sure, he lit it up in college, but a lot of players average 20 ppg in college and just don't translate it to the NBA. Not saying Russell will be that, but I have concerns about his lack of overall athleticism and overall game.

[Unbreakable99]

I'm honestly not in love with either Mudiay or Russell, which is why I still really want the #1 pick to take the best player. I just have big concerns about both. I generally don't like players that can't shoot, and while I like Mudiay's size, quickness, athleticism, what if he never develops a jumper? He'll always be limited.

For Russell, I worry he just won't be as dominant a scorer in the NBA. Something about him, I can't put my finger on it. Sure, he lit it up in college, but a lot of players average 20 ppg in college and just don't translate it to the NBA. Not saying Russell will be that, but I have concerns about his lack of overall athleticism and overall game.

If you could only choose between Russell and Mudiay who would you choose?

[LongLiveHinkie]

I'm honestly not in love with either Mudiay or Russell, which is why I still really want the #1 pick to take the best player. I just have big concerns about both. I generally don't like players that can't shoot, and while I like Mudiay's size, quickness, athleticism, what if he never develops a jumper? He'll always be limited.

For Russell, I worry he just won't be as dominant a scorer in the NBA. Something about him, I can't put my finger on it. Sure, he lit it up in college, but a lot of players average 20 ppg in college and just don't translate it to the NBA. Not saying Russell will be that, but I have concerns about his lack of overall athleticism and overall game.

If you could only choose between Russell and Mudiay who would you choose?

I just have a gut feeling Mudiay will be the better NBA player, but I'm not really basing that off of anything analytical, and it's not by a wide margin. I really worry about Mudiay's jumper though. It's just... not good, and I always preach on here about not loving guys who can't shoot, so I can't be a hypocrite.

So, Mudiay slightly I guess.

[SparksFly87]

Your PG simply needs to be able to get by dudes or at least get into the paint. It opens up so many passing chances and makes the defense work for it.

See Canaan.

Not true plenty of point guards win consistent championships without having to get to the paint . The 76ers will need floor spacing built from inside -out with Embiid and Noel . I rather have a point guard like Chauncey Billips or Dallas Mavericks Jason Kidd then a John Wall- Rose type. A 3pt sniper at point guard is a lot more dangerous than a penetrater. Russell gives our offense a lot more versatility and dynamics with his ability to effectively play on and off ball without be a a liability. This will allow other playmakers on the team to exploit matchups and one one one situations. I don't want our offense to only go through a penetrating point guard in which is so freaking predictable .

[76ciology]

Your PG simply needs to be able to get by dudes or at least get into the paint. It opens up so many passing chances and makes the defense work for it.

See Canaan.

Not true plenty of point guards win consistent championships without having to get to the paint . The 76ers will need floor spacing built from inside -out with Embiid and Noel . I rather have a point guard like Chauncey Billips or Dallas Mavericks Jason Kidd then a John Wall- Rose type. A 3pt sniper at point guard is a lot more dangerous than a penetrater. Russell gives our offense a lot more versatility and dynamics with his ability to effectively play on and off ball without be a a liability. This will allow other playmakers on the team to exploit matchups and one one one situations. I don't want our offense to only go through a penetrating point guard in which is so freaking predictable .

The issue here is player A can be a penetrator/shooter (via player development) versus player B who can just be a shooter. Wouldn't you want JKidd-Chauncey who can space and penetrate than just purely spacing out the floor? Why not just go after Patrick Beverly or Prigioni then just like what the Rockets are currently doing?

I value guys who can penetrate. Mudiay won't be like Wall/Rose because we won't ask him to carry much load and be inefficient. But he would be more like a Tony parker who would give us a much needed dimension to our offense of a perimeter guy who can create with or without the ball and attract help defense.

Spacing out the floor is valuable, don't get me wrong. Maybe it's a personal preference, but I value upside and ability to create and penetrate more important. I also think that shooting is a skill that can be learned, not always but most of the time.

[76ciology]

On John Wall..

How do you guys feel if Wall was with the Spurs as their starting PG? I think he's misused with the Wizards by the volume of responsibilities given to him. I think he's got elite tools to be the best PG in the league with his size and athleticism. But even CP3 has Blake Griffin or DRose has Noah, Deng and Butler. But Wall was surrounded by role players that leads opponents to focus their defense on him. I do think that if you place him in a team like the Spurs where offense is a collective effort, he'd be in discussion as the top PG in the league, just like Parker in his prime back then.

I agree.

Wall is awesome, and people don't seem to give him credit for how much he has improved as a shooter.

I used to go back and forth between Mudiay and Russell, but I have convinced myself now that it is Mudiay all the way.

I am less concerned about spacing than I am about having a non point guard playing the point. I want a legit break down your man facilitator.

I think that a natural point guard version of Tyreke is right in Mudiay's wheelhouse, and he can even be better than that. Brett Brown and the Sixers staff have shown a lot of skill in developing players.


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Here is my question. Why can't Russell play point full time? I don't think it would be fought for him. He has great vision and probably a better passer than Mudiay. He is a better shooter and can space the floor. He can't drive as well as Mudiay though. If Hinkie drafts Russell I think he will do it knowing full well that Russell will be the full time PG and not a combo guard.

I think Russell can play PG. He has the handles, vision and IQ to play PG. It's more of a true PG version shooting/scoring PG issue.

I'm leaning more on Mudiay because I think he can improved his shooting, it's not MKG level broke it's not also as lethargic as Rondo's shooting, where in I saw him play games where he showed great confidence in his shooting. He wouldn't jack those shots if he knew he's a poor shooter, there were also games where most of scoring came from the perimeter. I also think Mudiay can be a better defender because of his physical and athletic tools.

In a scale of 1 to 10..

Current Value: Mudiay 6.5 vs Russell 7.5
Future Value: Mudiay 9 Russell 8

That's how I look at it.
I have Mudiay at 6.5 because he's not much developed in terms of skillset. Russell at 7.5 because I think he can instantly contribute with his shooting and passing skills.

I have Mudiay at 9 because with a good shooting, he's almost a complete player. I have Russell at 8 because I think he won't be the type of PG who can dominate games consistently (most of his scoring comes from perimeter while not having that sc30 or irving ability to penetrate).

[Att]

Russel (or someone else). Mudiay will disappoint many people, I think.

[SparksFly87]

Russell's inability to penetrate is a myth based off his last game . He actually got by Hollis Jefferson on a few plays and got clean shots and just missed. In fact he actually blew by him and got all the way to the rim on one occasion. He had one bad underwhelming game vs a great college defense being the only offensive threat . Russell has been scoring where ever he wants his whole college career thus far. Often double and trouble teamed . His pull up is unguard able that's why he falls in love with it. He has shown in plenty of games his elite ability to breakdown defenses with his handle and vision. His IQ alone will make him a winning nba player.


Mudiay has some much footage of him throwing bad passes ,passing up good looks and getting denied below the rim. He didn't look like a elite athlete at all in China . Nor a dominate two way player vs his peers in high school all American , Jordan Brand among others. He just looks like a a average guard with a big frame and some flashy tricks . I am not impressed with Mudiay. He is a shorter Tyreke Evans to me. Not impressed.

[snoopdogg88]

i think it's very possible Mudiay is about a 17 & 8 PG in the NBA.

is that a very good player? yes
is that elite? not necessary.

[Negrodamus]

I think Mudiay will be a very, very good point guard. However, I don't think he's on the same athletic level of Wall, Westbrook, and Rose.

What Russell possesses is quite impressive and makes up for his lack of athleticism. My main concern for Russell is him putting on weight, which will translate to finishing through contact. Oh yea, and finishing with his right hand. That can be fixed, but he will have to put in the work. I would like to put a ball handler in the backcourt with him if he were to come here. I honestly wouldn't hate it if we traded back into this draft and grabbed Stanley Johnson.

[SparksFly87]

i think it's very possible Mudiay is about a 17 & 8 PG in the NBA.

is that a very good player? yes
is that elite? not necessary.

So basically MCW the 11th pick in the draft and drafted Mudiay another non elite point guard in the top 3 . SmH!!!! Russell will be a elite shooting guard.

[SparksFly87]

I think Mudiay will be a very, very good point guard. However, I don't think he's on the same athletic level of Wall, Westbrook, and Rose.

What Russell possesses is quite impressive and makes up for his lack of athleticism. My main concern for Russell is him putting on weight, which will translate to finishing through contact. Oh yea, and finishing with his right hand. That can be fixed, but he will have to put in the work. I would like to put a ball handler in the backcourt with him if he were to come here. I honestly wouldn't hate it if we traded back into this draft and grabbed Stanley Johnson.

Russell has already bulked up considerably as the season progress . He has a nice frame to add muscle and strength. Wroten has become on the best finishers in the league only finishing with his left. Ginobili and harden still mainly finish with their left. Russell will be fine.

[Negrodamus]

I think Mudiay will be a very, very good point guard. However, I don't think he's on the same athletic level of Wall, Westbrook, and Rose.

What Russell possesses is quite impressive and makes up for his lack of athleticism. My main concern for Russell is him putting on weight, which will translate to finishing through contact. Oh yea, and finishing with his right hand. That can be fixed, but he will have to put in the work. I would like to put a ball handler in the backcourt with him if he were to come here. I honestly wouldn't hate it if we traded back into this draft and grabbed Stanley Johnson.

Russell has already bulked up considerably as the season progress . He has a nice frame to add muscle and strength. Wroten has become on the best finishers in the league only finishing with his left. Ginobili and harden still mainly finish with their left. Russell will be fine.

Okay, but Russell doesn't finish well at the rim despite considerable bulking up and only finishing with his left hand.

[Sixercise]

Ugh im actually torn on this one....i mean, you can't exactly debate which aspect of the game (between speed and shooting) is more important since they're both vital needs for our squad. At this point, I can live with whomever Hinkie picks. Seeing how Grant, Sampson and Noel improved their jump shots, I have faith.

[snoopdogg88]

and of course we could get screwed in the lottery and miss out on both Mudiay and Russell lol