Official Bryan Colangelo thread (for Hinkie talk, use the Hinkie thread)

[Negrodamus]

Also, this could be an opportunity to be the Suns from the early to mid 2000s on steroids with a mixture of offense and defense. Embiid, Noel, Covington, and Ingram are all long, pretty decent defenders. It would just require a little bit of change in scheme.

[PhilasFinest]

Also, this could be an opportunity to be the Suns from the early to mid 2000s on steroids with a mixture of offense and defense. Embiid, Noel, Covington, and Ingram are all long, pretty decent defenders. It would just require a little bit of change in scheme.

This is my hoping. We just need our Nash/Marion.

I suppose Ingram could play that type of role as a 2-way perimeter player.

[Ericb5]

As a huge Hinkie fan I was actually impressed with Bryan @ the press conference today

Hey, he is a competent and experienced GM. There is no doubt about that.

My problems with him are that his track record is doing exactly what we were doing for the decade before Hinkie. Sure it CAN work, but it still isn't the best way to rebuild.

HInkie restocked the shelves tremendously and BC will benefit. I trusted Hinkie's judgement perfectly. Bryan will have to earn my trust.

I'll obviously be rooting for him to kick ass. If we win the lottery and/or Embiid can stay healthy then it will be hard NOT to turn us into contenders.


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[Agnostifarian]

As a huge Hinkie fan I was actually impressed with Bryan @ the press conference today

Hey, he is a competent and experienced GM. There is no doubt about that.

My problems with him are that his track record is doing exactly what we were doing for the decade before Hinkie. Sure it CAN work, but it still isn't the best way to rebuild.

HInkie restocked the shelves tremendously and BC will benefit. I trusted Hinkie's judgement perfectly. Bryan will have to earn my trust.

I'll obviously be rooting for him to kick ass. If we win the lottery and/or Embiid can stay healthy then it will be hard NOT to turn us into contenders.

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Personally, I would like to see D'Antoni become the head coach at the end of the season. If Brett Brown would like to stay on to coach up the young guys and work for Mike, then that is great. Mostly, this team needs a clear direction and an identity.

I think Okafor fits the seven seconds or less style least well of our big man. For that reason, I would trade him for a better fitting piece. Noel can run and play defense. Saric would be a stud in Mike's offense know that he's developed a shot. I'm really getting excited about him coming over which is a big departure for me.

In the draft, I think Ingram, Dunn and Baldwin would be ideal additions. Batum, Barnes and DeRozan as FA possibilities and we can still have this kind of fun team that we've all been waiting for for three decades.

[sixers23]

As a huge Hinkie fan I was actually impressed with Bryan @ the press conference today

Hey, he is a competent and experienced GM. There is no doubt about that.

My problems with him are that his track record is doing exactly what we were doing for the decade before Hinkie. Sure it CAN work, but it still isn't the best way to rebuild.

HInkie restocked the shelves tremendously and BC will benefit. I trusted Hinkie's judgement perfectly. Bryan will have to earn my trust.

I'll obviously be rooting for him to kick ass. If we win the lottery and/or Embiid can stay healthy then it will be hard NOT to turn us into contenders.

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Personally, I would like to see D'Antoni become the head coach at the end of the season. If Brett Brown would like to stay on to coach up the young guys and work for Mike, then that is great. Mostly, this team needs a clear direction and an identity.

I think Okafor fits the seven seconds or less style least well of our big man. For that reason, I would trade him for a better fitting piece. Noel can run and play defense. Saric would be a stud in Mike's offense know that he's developed a shot. I'm really getting excited about him coming over which is a big departure for me.

In the draft, I think Ingram, Dunn and Baldwin would be ideal additions. Batum, Barnes and DeRozan as FA possibilities and we can still have this kind of fun team that we've all been waiting for for three decades.

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[Ericb5]

As a huge Hinkie fan I was actually impressed with Bryan @ the press conference today

Hey, he is a competent and experienced GM. There is no doubt about that.

My problems with him are that his track record is doing exactly what we were doing for the decade before Hinkie. Sure it CAN work, but it still isn't the best way to rebuild.

HInkie restocked the shelves tremendously and BC will benefit. I trusted Hinkie's judgement perfectly. Bryan will have to earn my trust.

I'll obviously be rooting for him to kick ass. If we win the lottery and/or Embiid can stay healthy then it will be hard NOT to turn us into contenders.

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Personally, I would like to see D'Antoni become the head coach at the end of the season. If Brett Brown would like to stay on to coach up the young guys and work for Mike, then that is great. Mostly, this team needs a clear direction and an identity.

I think Okafor fits the seven seconds or less style least well of our big man. For that reason, I would trade him for a better fitting piece. Noel can run and play defense. Saric would be a stud in Mike's offense know that he's developed a shot. I'm really getting excited about him coming over which is a big departure for me.

In the draft, I think Ingram, Dunn and Baldwin would be ideal additions. Batum, Barnes and DeRozan as FA possibilities and we can still have this kind of fun team that we've all been waiting for for three decades.

I don't like D'antoni even a little bit. He is a creative offensive coach, but his teams were always built for the regular season because they didn't play defense.

I want to play it year by year with Brown and see how he does with some legitimate talent. I'm not saying that he is definitely the coach to bring us into contention, but I am happy with him today, and want him to coach the team next year.


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[Cicero]

I'd love to see them kick the tires on Noah. I know he's injury prone, but

entitlement culture

glad the sports radio class are coping here at least

[Chamberlainship]

Coping with what?

[phillthy13]

I gotta say I've been surprised with the good vibes BC has given me already. 1st day on the job and he already realized our owner can't swim out of a baby pool. Whether it was Hinkie, JC or BC in charge, this year's draft/FA period was always the most important and I really think BC will impress us. That being said, I'll always believe Hinkie was forced out knowing how important this summer was so now BC can tell FA's "that old losing culture is gone".

[WVU]

I gotta say I've been surprised with the good vibes BC has given me already. 1st day on the job and he already realized our owner can't swim out of a baby pool. Whether it was Hinkie, JC or BC in charge, this year's draft/FA period was always the most important and I really think BC will impress us. That being said, I'll always believe Hinkie was forced out knowing how important this summer was so now BC can tell FA's "that old losing culture is gone".

I really hope you're right but I have my serious doubts. My breakdown of what has transpired over the past week:

Pros
- The whole spin of "losing culture" is going to die. Whether it be good or bad, BC is going to shake things up and move the team in the direction of winning games and trying to compete for the playoffs
- We are going to try to sign free agents (I believe this was happening with Hinkie so a very slighted pro imo)
- We now have a GM that has great relationships with agents (is this a pro if we see **** overpaid signing like Landry Fields in TOR)

Cons
- Jerry bailed immediately after getting his son the gig. We aren't getting the dynamic duo that led PHX less than a decade ago.. we are getting BC on his own just as it was in TOR.
- Ownership clearly has no clue what they got themselves into. The fans, a good portion of them, feel betrayed and have lost faith in the direction of this franchise.
- We are very unlikely to see Saric in a Sixers uniform. I believe he is one of the first to go as a package in a trade, which is very upsetting to me.
- One of Okafor/Noel will not be here on opening night next season.
- We are going to get butt raped by other GMs as opposed to being the ones doing the dry-thrusting.
- et cetera

[phillthy13]

I gotta say I've been surprised with the good vibes BC has given me already. 1st day on the job and he already realized our owner can't swim out of a baby pool. Whether it was Hinkie, JC or BC in charge, this year's draft/FA period was always the most important and I really think BC will impress us. That being said, I'll always believe Hinkie was forced out knowing how important this summer was so now BC can tell FA's "that old losing culture is gone".

I really hope you're right but I have my serious doubts. My breakdown of what has transpired over the past week:

Pros
- The whole spin of "losing culture" is going to die. Whether it be good or bad, BC is going to shake things up and move the team in the direction of winning games and trying to compete for the playoffs
- We are going to try to sign free agents (I believe this was happening with Hinkie so a very slighted pro imo)
- We now have a GM that has great relationships with agents (is this a pro if we see **** overpaid signing like Landry Fields in TOR)

Cons
- Jerry bailed immediately after getting his son the gig. We aren't getting the dynamic duo that led PHX less than a decade ago.. we are getting BC on his own just as it was in TOR.
- Ownership clearly has no clue what they got themselves into. The fans, a good portion of them, feel betrayed and have lost faith in the direction of this franchise.
- We are very unlikely to see Saric in a Sixers uniform. I believe he is one of the first to go as a package in a trade, which is very upsetting to me.
- One of Okafor/Noel will not be here on opening night next season.
- We are going to get butt raped by other GMs as opposed to being the ones doing the dry-thrusting.
- et cetera

Pretty much agree with everything there. GMs/Player agents are definitely going to try to take advantage of our situation and low-ball BC and he might have to take some bad deals to get back on good terms throughout the league. It sucks but 1-30 was worse. I really hope you're wrong with Saric, not getting anything out of that draft kills me..WE HAD 2 TOP 10 PICKS. I'd be surprised if more than 5 guys from this years team is on the roster next year, I'd also be surprised if BB is on the coaching staff..I can see him being forced out similar to Hinkie.

[WVU]

I gotta say I've been surprised with the good vibes BC has given me already. 1st day on the job and he already realized our owner can't swim out of a baby pool. Whether it was Hinkie, JC or BC in charge, this year's draft/FA period was always the most important and I really think BC will impress us. That being said, I'll always believe Hinkie was forced out knowing how important this summer was so now BC can tell FA's "that old losing culture is gone".

I really hope you're right but I have my serious doubts. My breakdown of what has transpired over the past week:

Pros
- The whole spin of "losing culture" is going to die. Whether it be good or bad, BC is going to shake things up and move the team in the direction of winning games and trying to compete for the playoffs
- We are going to try to sign free agents (I believe this was happening with Hinkie so a very slighted pro imo)
- We now have a GM that has great relationships with agents (is this a pro if we see **** overpaid signing like Landry Fields in TOR)

Cons
- Jerry bailed immediately after getting his son the gig. We aren't getting the dynamic duo that led PHX less than a decade ago.. we are getting BC on his own just as it was in TOR.
- Ownership clearly has no clue what they got themselves into. The fans, a good portion of them, feel betrayed and have lost faith in the direction of this franchise.
- We are very unlikely to see Saric in a Sixers uniform. I believe he is one of the first to go as a package in a trade, which is very upsetting to me.
- One of Okafor/Noel will not be here on opening night next season.
- We are going to get butt raped by other GMs as opposed to being the ones doing the dry-thrusting.
- et cetera

Pretty much agree with everything there. GMs/Player agents are definitely going to try to take advantage of our situation and low-ball BC and he might have to take some bad deals to get back on good terms throughout the league. It sucks but 1-30 was worse. I really hope you're wrong with Saric, not getting anything out of that draft kills me..WE HAD 2 TOP 10 PICKS. I'd be surprised if more than 5 guys from this years team is on the roster next year, I'd also be surprised if BB is on the coaching staff..I can see him being forced out similar to Hinkie.

Yep.. I think BB is done for too. BC didn't give him a very glowing endorsement at yesterday's presser. It's just disgusting what has happened in less than 7 days in this franchise. All of the suffering and enduring we've had to go through the past 3 seasons really looks like it was for nothing. We have a guy taking over with no allegiance to the players drafted. He doesn't have anything invested in them and other GMs know this. How BC values Saric,Noel,Okafor,Embiid is completely different than how Hinkie does. And other GMs will make BC look like a fool.

In short, I firmly believe we are ****. Yeah, we will make the playoffs in the next 2-3 years but we will not compete for a championship. This ownership group **** the bed.

[mksp]

I think he'll go along this tangent.

Rubio/Ish/McConnell
Afflalo/Terrence Ross
Simmons/Covington
Sullinger/Tarik Black
Okafor/Embiid

Noel and Stauskas get dealt.

This is so gross.

This team would allow 130 points a game.

[phillthy13]

I really hope you're right but I have my serious doubts. My breakdown of what has transpired over the past week:

Pros
- The whole spin of "losing culture" is going to die. Whether it be good or bad, BC is going to shake things up and move the team in the direction of winning games and trying to compete for the playoffs
- We are going to try to sign free agents (I believe this was happening with Hinkie so a very slighted pro imo)
- We now have a GM that has great relationships with agents (is this a pro if we see **** overpaid signing like Landry Fields in TOR)

Cons
- Jerry bailed immediately after getting his son the gig. We aren't getting the dynamic duo that led PHX less than a decade ago.. we are getting BC on his own just as it was in TOR.
- Ownership clearly has no clue what they got themselves into. The fans, a good portion of them, feel betrayed and have lost faith in the direction of this franchise.
- We are very unlikely to see Saric in a Sixers uniform. I believe he is one of the first to go as a package in a trade, which is very upsetting to me.
- One of Okafor/Noel will not be here on opening night next season.
- We are going to get butt raped by other GMs as opposed to being the ones doing the dry-thrusting.
- et cetera

Pretty much agree with everything there. GMs/Player agents are definitely going to try to take advantage of our situation and low-ball BC and he might have to take some bad deals to get back on good terms throughout the league. It sucks but 1-30 was worse. I really hope you're wrong with Saric, not getting anything out of that draft kills me..WE HAD 2 TOP 10 PICKS. I'd be surprised if more than 5 guys from this years team is on the roster next year, I'd also be surprised if BB is on the coaching staff..I can see him being forced out similar to Hinkie.

Yep.. I think BB is done for too. BC didn't give him a very glowing endorsement at yesterday's presser. It's just disgusting what has happened in less than 7 days in this franchise. All of the suffering and enduring we've had to go through the past 3 seasons really looks like it was for nothing. We have a guy taking over with no allegiance to the players drafted. He doesn't have anything invested in them and other GMs know this. How BC values Saric,Noel,Okafor,Embiid is completely different than how Hinkie does. And other GMs will make BC look like a fool.

In short, I firmly believe we are ****. Yeah, we will make the playoffs in the next 2-3 years but we will not compete for a championship. This ownership group **** the bed.

Well lets hope these good vibes BC gave me turns into good results. Just trying to keep myself composed and not overreact to his first couple of moves, whether it's good or bad. I was pissed when Jrue and MCW were traded but now I'm good with those moves so I'm just gonna sit back and let BC do his job...it can't get any worse than 1-30 or Evan Turner/James Anderson/Spencer Hawes.

[spikeslovechild]

http://download.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d1/dB/dE/dT/d9/1BET9_3.MP3?show=Angelo+Cataldi+And+The+Morning+Team&category=Sports+%26+Recreation&callsign=WIPFM&market=Philadelphia&awCollectionId=1074&awEpisodeId=619824

One thing that really stood out to me was his now public contention that Drummond hated the game of basketball. He also said Ross has more then what he's shown. Well then why hasn't he shown it? Does Ross hate the game of basketball too?

Did Colangelo attempting to pick someone who didn't hate the game of basketball, pick someone who did, while at the sametime passing over the person who actually did love the game of basketball? It's a mindbender for sure. Maybe he should have just picked the better player.

I mean listen to this interview it's disheartening. I think you just have to hope privately he does a much more through examination of his failures and processes that led to those failures because publicly I rarely in fact I can't even remember of him ever giving an honest assessment of his mistakes.

He really should have also been asked about Bargs selection over LMA, his extension, and his inability to trade him (Masai traded him for a first) among his other moves that didn't work out (hedo, kleiza, Kapono, Peja, O'neal, Fred Jones, Garbosa, etc) but in all fairness it probably wasn't possible to cover all his failures in a 12 min interview.

[spikeslovechild]

As a huge Hinkie fan I was actually impressed with Bryan @ the press conference today

Hey, he is a competent and experienced GM. There is no doubt about that.

My problems with him are that his track record is doing exactly what we were doing for the decade before Hinkie. Sure it CAN work, but it still isn't the best way to rebuild.

HInkie restocked the shelves tremendously and BC will benefit. I trusted Hinkie's judgement perfectly. Bryan will have to earn my trust.

I'll obviously be rooting for him to kick ass. If we win the lottery and/or Embiid can stay healthy then it will be hard NOT to turn us into contenders.


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BC is great at press conferences and media interviews.

I would encourage others to pay close attention to what he says not how he says it. It reminds me of a commercial that the Chartered Accountants are running in my area where they take random people off the street give them a haircut a fancy suit and teach them some financial buzz words.

You'd be surprised at how many people are willing to give them their life savings to invest just based off one interview. BC has a record and he is that record.

[Sixercise]

I'm quite surprised that we're still holding on to BB like he shouldn't be responsible for his warts. Sure, you can give him a pass for his first 2 years, but you would think that he would have installed a more comprehensive offensive/defensive sets. I'm not gonna lose sleep over BB.

But in response to the OP, my takeaways are very similar to what many on the board here have already expressed: JC is a flaming slimeball. BC imo isn't the worst....outside of Garbargnani, he's done better than average in his drafts. But with almost all the fat contracts he's handed out regardless of play quality, he's BK and ES all over again. With the upcoming salary cap expanding, who knows what kinda mistakes he'll make again regarding the FA.


I'm still disgusted with all that's transpired....

[PhilasFinest]

http://download.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d1/dB/dE/dT/d9/1BET9_3.MP3?show=Angelo+Cataldi+And+The+Morning+Team&category=Sports+%26+Recreation&callsign=WIPFM&market=Philadelphia&awCollectionId=1074&awEpisodeId=619824

One thing that really stood out to me was his now public contention that Drummond hated the game of basketball. He also said Ross has more then what he's shown. Well then why hasn't he shown it? Does Ross hate the game of basketball too?

Did Colangelo attempting to pick someone who didn't hate the game of basketball, pick someone who did, while at the sametime passing over the person who actually did love the game of basketball? It's a mindbender for sure. Maybe he should have just picked the better player.

I mean listen to this interview it's disheartening. I think you just have to hope privately he does a much more through examination of his failures and processes that led to those failures because publicly I rarely in fact I can't even remember of him ever giving an honest assessment of his mistakes.

He really should have also been asked about Bargs selection over LMA, his extension, and his inability to trade him (Masai traded him for a first) among his other moves that didn't work out (hedo, kleiza, Kapono, Peja, O'neal, Fred Jones, Garbosa, etc) but in all fairness it probably wasn't possible to cover all his failures in a 12 min interview.

I understand now looking back and saying, wow Drummond over ross. But at the time, the Raptors had just invested the 5th pick in Jonas Valanciunas. Obviously they see/saw something in him worth building around....so they went with a hyper athletic perimeter player with a 3point shot to likely try and develop and slide next to DeRozan/Lowry. Obviously it hasn't panned out, but at the time they were obviously looking to fill a need rather than create a log jam at the 5 spot...especially taking into account the known facts that he had wanted Harrison Barnes, who went just 1 pick before them.

In the interview he clearly stated that Toronto had a PG need and SF need. He wanted Lillard or Harrison Barnes, but winning too many games lost them their lottery position and they missed out on those guys. I see nothing wrong with that logic and thinking in the draft.

LaMarcus Aldridge wasn't necessarily some sure fire future star. The Bulls in fact traded him for Tyrus Thomas...so obviously it wasn't like he passed on LeBron James for Darko. Bargnani presented an intriguing combo of size/skill with tremendous upside in a time where Dirk was absolutely tearing up the league. Considering a large portion of that draft is already out of the league, you could argue that the pick wasn't nearly as bad as most of the leagues that year.