Where is Nerlens?

[eagereyez]

Some detective on reddit has figured out the hidden message in Noel's twitter. Some next level stuff right here. Time to celebrate!

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[CoreyGallagher]

That's funny.

[rzzzzz]

Bravo e.e.

[spikeslovechild]

Charlotte having the 6th worst odds at winning a championship isn't the same as Charlotte is expected as the 6th worst regular season team.

I'm not entirely sold with those vegas odds, admittedly. There are multiple non-playoff eastern conference teams last year that maybe better than them like the Knicks and Bulls. You can also make a case that Bucks, Wizards and Magic are more talented than them.

It's really a high risk deal, which I might take if I can get better conviction that Hornets are likely to not make the play-offs.

1250/1
ODDS TO WIN THE 2016-17 EASTERN CONFERENCE (6/1/17)
Team Odds
Cleveland Cavaliers 1/3
Boston Celtics 8/1
Toronto Raptors 19/1
Atlanta Hawks 30/1
Chicago Bulls 30/1
Indiana Pacers 35/1
Detroit Pistons 40/1
New York Knicks 50/1
Washington Wizards 50/1
Milwaukee Bucks 55/1
Miami Heat 60/1
Orlando Magic 60/1
Charlotte Hornets 100/1
Philadelphia 76ers 150/1
Brooklyn Nets

*Its odds to win eastern conference
*they might be much better with MKG+Noel

It's a bad deal. If we want Lamb we can get an asset back. Earlier on they were willing to include their own first round pick to dump his contract according to Woj.

So we would be basically giving away Noel. They won 48 games last year. In order to have the 4th worst record they'd have to lose 25 more so odd games if we were to use last years record as baseline.

Then even with the 4th worst record they would have roughly a 47.7 percent chance of the pick falling into the top four. I want to move Noel but I'm not going to let teams just steal him from us.

[76ciology]

Charlotte having the 6th worst odds at winning a championship isn't the same as Charlotte is expected as the 6th worst regular season team.

I'm not entirely sold with those vegas odds, admittedly. There are multiple non-playoff eastern conference teams last year that maybe better than them like the Knicks and Bulls. You can also make a case that Bucks, Wizards and Magic are more talented than them.

It's really a high risk deal, which I might take if I can get better conviction that Hornets are likely to not make the play-offs.

1250/1
ODDS TO WIN THE 2016-17 EASTERN CONFERENCE (6/1/17)
Team Odds
Cleveland Cavaliers 1/3
Boston Celtics 8/1
Toronto Raptors 19/1
Atlanta Hawks 30/1
Chicago Bulls 30/1
Indiana Pacers 35/1
Detroit Pistons 40/1
New York Knicks 50/1
Washington Wizards 50/1
Milwaukee Bucks 55/1
Miami Heat 60/1
Orlando Magic 60/1
Charlotte Hornets 100/1
Philadelphia 76ers 150/1
Brooklyn Nets

*Its odds to win eastern conference
*they might be much better with MKG+Noel

It's a bad deal. If we want Lamb we can get an asset back. Earlier on they were willing to include their own first round pick to dump his contract according to Woj.

So we would be basically giving away Noel. They won 48 games last year. In order to have the 4th worst record they'd have to lose 25 more so odd games if we were to use last years record as baseline.

Then even with the 4th worst record they would have roughly a 47.7 percent chance of the pick falling into the top four. I want to move Noel but I'm not going to let teams just steal him from us.

Yeah, I see what you mean. I just don't think highly of the Hornets. So maybe a better time to do the deal is in midseason where it's easier to see if they'd make the playoffs or not.

Otto Porter & Wiz 1st for Noel is a better deal don't you think?

[Chris4Vikes]

It's been discussed. But Noel for Avery Bradley. Who says "No"? Sixers, Celtics, or both?

I think Celtics say "No" and Sixers say "Maybe".

[HartfordWhalers]

It's been discussed. But Noel for Avery Bradley. Who says "No"? Sixers, Celtics, or both?

I think Celtics say "No" and Sixers say "Maybe".

That basis has always made some sense for both teams. If I were Boston I would say yes. If I was Philly, it is great short term but I am not so sure long term.

[Chris4Vikes]

It's been discussed. But Noel for Avery Bradley. Who says "No"? Sixers, Celtics, or both?

I think Celtics say "No" and Sixers say "Maybe".

That basis has always made some sense for both teams. If I were Boston I would say yes. If I was Philly, it is great short term but I am not so sure long term.

Problem for Boston is that AB is perhaps their best 3 point shooter - on a weak shooting team. Then again, with Brooklyn's pick in 2017, they can probably choose among a group of talented guards.

[HartfordWhalers]

It's been discussed. But Noel for Avery Bradley. Who says "No"? Sixers, Celtics, or both?

I think Celtics say "No" and Sixers say "Maybe".

That basis has always made some sense for both teams. If I were Boston I would say yes. If I was Philly, it is great short term but I am not so sure long term.

Problem for Boston is that AB is perhaps their best 3 point shooter - on a weak shooting team. Then again, with Brooklyn's pick in 2017, they can probably choose among a group of talented guards.

Yep, but anchoring center is a bigger need than Bradley in the short run with IT Smart Rozier, and then as you mention the 17 pick next year, I think it is an easy yes to Boston.

I dislike it for Philly some, but you can renegotiate and extend Bradley in a year versus risking him gone before you get good enough for it to matter.

Still like going slower than Bradley and trying to get someone younger on a rookie scale deal.

[76ciology]

Avery Bradley. Extremely overrated defensive player. Negative DRPM and Celtics plays at its WORST when he's on the court (102 DRTG similar to IT vs 97 DRTG). Not to mention, he's got limited upside. Would rather gamble for a future 1st rounder.

[Chris4Vikes]

That basis has always made some sense for both teams. If I were Boston I would say yes. If I was Philly, it is great short term but I am not so sure long term.

Problem for Boston is that AB is perhaps their best 3 point shooter - on a weak shooting team. Then again, with Brooklyn's pick in 2017, they can probably choose among a group of talented guards.

Yep, but anchoring center is a bigger need than Bradley in the short run with IT Smart Rozier, and then as you mention the 17 pick next year, I think it is an easy yes to Boston.

I dislike it for Philly some, but you can renegotiate and extend Bradley in a year versus risking him gone before you get good enough for it to matter.

Still like going slower than Bradley and trying to get someone younger on a rookie scale deal.

Take Rozier over Bradley then. Rozier is a PG who is uber-athletic and showed great signs in Summer League. If he stays in Boston, he will have a greatly expanded role in 2016-2017.

Bradley is 1st team all-defense, a good 3 point shooter, and a great kid and teammate. He's only 25. He's on a bargain contract for 2 more years (~$8 million per), then will command a nice raise.

[Chris4Vikes]

Avery Bradley. Extremely overrated defensive player. Negative DRPM and Celtics plays at its WORST when he's on the court (102 DRTG similar to IT vs 97 DRTG). Not to mention, he's got limited upside. Would rather gamble for a future 1st rounder.

Celtics can then send you 2 first round picks (not Nets picks), including 2019 Memphis pick. Or Rozier and a 1st.

Knock AB if you want but I watch most Celtics games and you are off base here. He's absolutely NOT over-rated on defense. Ask Curry, Lillard, etc.

[76ciology]

Avery Bradley. Extremely overrated defensive player. Negative DRPM and Celtics plays at its WORST when he's on the court (102 DRTG similar to IT vs 97 DRTG). Not to mention, he's got limited upside. Would rather gamble for a future 1st rounder.

Celtics can then send you 2 first round picks (not Nets picks), including 2019 Memphis pick. Or Rozier and a 1st.

Knock AB if you want but I watch most Celtics games and you are off base here. He's absolutely NOT over-rated on defense. Ask Curry, Lillard, etc.

He's a good individual defender, although not elite. Problem with defensive guards is that they'd be neutralized when they face screens. Unlike with bigs, where they'd still have the length to challenge shots against perimeter defenders when they switch. Oh well, that's for another topic but yeah AB's overrated on D looking at the numbers.

[spikeslovechild]

Avery Bradley. Extremely overrated defensive player. Negative DRPM and Celtics plays at its WORST when he's on the court (102 DRTG similar to IT vs 97 DRTG). Not to mention, he's got limited upside. Would rather gamble for a future 1st rounder.

Celtics can then send you 2 first round picks (not Nets picks), including 2019 Memphis pick. Or Rozier and a 1st.

Knock AB if you want but I watch most Celtics games and you are off base here. He's absolutely NOT over-rated on defense. Ask Curry, Lillard, etc.

He's a good individual defender, although not elite. Problem with defensive guards is that they'd be neutralized when they face screens. Unlike with bigs, where they'd still have the length to challenge shots against perimeter defenders when they switch. Oh well, that's for another topic but yeah AB's overrated on D looking at the numbers.

Agreed he's also 6-2 so his size limits him to guarding mostly PG's. He also lacks many of the skills necessary for the position so as a team you are forced to basically play two PG's when he is on the floor which causes mismatches elsewhere. He's a flawed player but I think with Simmons we are able work around many of them.

The real issue for me is he isn't worth Noel and I'm not willing to overpay for fit. So unless Boston either increases the offer or accepts another piece count me as uninterested.

[spikeslovechild]

:thumbsup: I love you Prokafors. Keep up the good work.

Look I'm pro what makes sense for the sixers. Noel doesn't fit. You don't trade away someone with three years left on their rookie deal to sign a defensive center to a max deal. Who by the way is still going to be blocked by Embiid and only play 15-20 minutes at the end of the day.

I mean LibertyBallers and the rest of Noel camp tried but at the end of the day reason won out.

[Att]

:thumbsup: I love you Prokafors. Keep up the good work.

Look I'm pro what makes sense for the sixers. Noel doesn't fit. You don't trade away someone with three years left on their rookie deal to sign a defensive center to a max deal. Who by the way is still going to be blocked by Embiid and only play 15-20 minutes at the end of the day.

I mean LibertyBallers and the rest of Noel camp tried but at the end of the day reason won out.

You do realise things are not determined on this board?

I'm all for rolling to the season with all the bigs and figuring it out as we go.
It's not wise to decide right not. We'll find out a lot during the season.
I don't mind signing Noel to a deal next summer either.

[the_process]

Look I'm pro what makes sense for the sixers.

Clearly not if you want to keep Okafor.

Noel doesn't fit. You don't trade away someone with three years left on their rookie deal to sign a defensive center to a max deal.

Contract is not the bottom line. The function of a center is not to score. It is to rim protect.

Who by the way is still going to be blocked by Embiid and only play 15-20 minutes at the end of the day.

You're taking a giant leap and saying Embiid becomes the first player ever to miss his 1st two years due to injury and come back to play. And then not just play, but start 30+ mins a night.

I mean LibertyBallers and the rest of Noel camp tried but at the end of the day reason won out.

Luckily, no deal has been made yet.

Listen, I'm not going to change your mind, and you're not changing mine. We'll just have to see who ends up being right.

[Chris4Vikes]

:thumbsup: I love you Prokafors. Keep up the good work.

Look I'm pro what makes sense for the sixers. Noel doesn't fit. You don't trade away someone with three years left on their rookie deal to sign a defensive center to a max deal. Who by the way is still going to be blocked by Embiid and only play 15-20 minutes at the end of the day.

I mean LibertyBallers and the rest of Noel camp tried but at the end of the day reason won out.

I have been saying this all along. Noel will ask for (and get from someone) ~$20 million plus per season starting next season. The Sixers are going to spend this on a BACKUP center? I think not. In the new age NBA, you don't compete for championships on the back of a center. That's the 70s and 80s. So you don't max out a backup.

You may not like Bradley but Noel's going to traded somewhere soon. Has to happen & the front office knows it. They've said as much (Okafor or Noel).

[Gsraider]

It's been discussed. But Noel for Avery Bradley. Who says "No"? Sixers, Celtics, or both?

I think Celtics say "No" and Sixers say "Maybe".

I can respect that, but I think the exact opposite. I really like Bradley, but absolutely no way i make that deal if I'm Philly. Meanwhile, Boston is what it is right now with Bradley, but potentially becomes a challenger in the East with Noel alongside Horford. To me, Bradley is much like a lot of Celtic players, in that he's very good, but not great. Noel can literally shut down one side of the court, is 3-4 years younger, and is a modern day big man with tremendous athleticism. Why on earth would you trade that for a good, but not great guard, particularly when thd other team is in your division.

Oh well, i think this ship sailed on draft night. I think Philly wanted Dunn, not Bradley.

[Chris4Vikes]

It's been discussed. But Noel for Avery Bradley. Who says "No"? Sixers, Celtics, or both?

I think Celtics say "No" and Sixers say "Maybe".

I can respect that, but I think the exact opposite. I really like Bradley, but absolutely no way i make that deal if I'm Philly. Meanwhile, Boston is what it is right now with Bradley, but potentially becomes a challenger in the East with Noel alongside Horford. To me, Bradley is much like a lot of Celtic players, in that he's very good, but not great. Noel can literally shut down one side of the court, is 3-4 years younger, and is a modern day big man with tremendous athleticism. Why on earth would you trade that for a good, but not great guard, particularly when thd other team is in your division.

Oh well, i think this ship sailed on draft night. I think Philly wanted Dunn, not Bradley.

I can respect this answer also. My thing is that I truly believe that Noel or Okafor has to be traded before the season. The front office has been trying but has found no trade that it likes. It will eventually have to accept the best offer for one of them. This may not be a Boston offer but I believe the clock is ticking.

I like Noel also. I think you may be overselling him a little bit though. If he's that good why couldn't the Sixers beat anyone last year? You are describing a young Bill Russell here.