Hinkie in Hindsight?

[LloydFree]

It is so irritating that guys keep trying to slip Okafor's name into a grouping with Embiid and Simmons as potential great players. Okafor isn't going to be anybody's top 10 anything.

I'm so angry with Hinkie that he drafted Okafor over Porzingis. Ugh. If we had Embiid Porzingis and Simmons's we would be a serious problem. We still should be a problem with Embiid and Simmons but damn we should have Porzingis too. I'll never forgive Hinkie for that and I love him in every other thing he did but he blew it last year. And now thinking more and more about it it makes me even more angry because even if Embiid wasn't healthy and he had concerns about his health, what was the benefit of drafting another Center when we already had Noel as the Embiid insurance? Yeah maybe he wanted Russell but who cares he was gone. Porzingis should have been the pick not another Center who had serious flaws on the defensive end.

Who knows? If we had Porzingis, we might not have even gotten Simmons. I get that Porzingis is turning out to be the better player but Okafor was the no-brainer pick at the time. Plus, didn't Harris and co. all but force Hinkie to take Okafor after the Embiid setback? Not to mention that Porzingis's agent told Hinkie before the draft not to take his client.

He wasn't a no brainer pick. Hinkie, who prided himself for being prepared for anything, should have had a trade-back scenario prepared when the Lakers took Russell. Taking Okafor, while having Noel an Embiid and no other talent, was stupid, and it was a mistake that greesed Hinkies' path out of here.

[Embiid P]

I'm so angry with Hinkie that he drafted Okafor over Porzingis. Ugh. If we had Embiid Porzingis and Simmons's we would be a serious problem. We still should be a problem with Embiid and Simmons but damn we should have Porzingis too. I'll never forgive Hinkie for that and I love him in every other thing he did but he blew it last year. And now thinking more and more about it it makes me even more angry because even if Embiid wasn't healthy and he had concerns about his health, what was the benefit of drafting another Center when we already had Noel as the Embiid insurance? Yeah maybe he wanted Russell but who cares he was gone. Porzingis should have been the pick not another Center who had serious flaws on the defensive end.

Who knows? If we had Porzingis, we might not have even gotten Simmons. I get that Porzingis is turning out to be the better player but Okafor was the no-brainer pick at the time. Plus, didn't Harris and co. all but force Hinkie to take Okafor after the Embiid setback? Not to mention that Porzingis's agent told Hinkie before the draft not to take his client.

He wasn't a no brainer pick. Hinkie, who prided himself for being prepared for anything, should have had a trade-back scenario prepared when the Lakers took Russell. Taking Okafor, while having Noel an Embiid and no other talent, was stupid, and it was a mistake that greesed Hinkies' path out of here.

It's kind of tough to do anything when your bosses have your hands tied and force you to take a player even if you don't necessarily want to take him yourself. IMO the Embiid setback is what caused ownership to lose patience with the process and force Hinkie to take the safest pick which they felt could help them win now.

In hindsight, yes Hinkie should have taken Porzingis over Okafor, but he still left the team with a vast amount of assets. As long as BC doesn't make too many dumb mistakes along the way, we should be a title contender in 3-4 years assuming our young core stays healthy.

[Unbreakable99]

It is so irritating that guys keep trying to slip Okafor's name into a grouping with Embiid and Simmons as potential great players. Okafor isn't going to be anybody's top 10 anything.

I'm so angry with Hinkie that he drafted Okafor over Porzingis. Ugh. If we had Embiid Porzingis and Simmons's we would be a serious problem. We still should be a problem with Embiid and Simmons but damn we should have Porzingis too. I'll never forgive Hinkie for that and I love him in every other thing he did but he blew it last year. And now thinking more and more about it it makes me even more angry because even if Embiid wasn't healthy and he had concerns about his health, what was the benefit of drafting another Center when we already had Noel as the Embiid insurance? Yeah maybe he wanted Russell but who cares he was gone. Porzingis should have been the pick not another Center who had serious flaws on the defensive end.

Who knows? If we had Porzingis, we might not have even gotten Simmons. I get that Porzingis is turning out to be the better player but Okafor was the no-brainer pick at the time. Plus, didn't Harris and co. all but force Hinkie to take Okafor after the Embiid setback? Not to mention that Porzingis's agent told Hinkie before the draft not to take his client.

It wasn't a no brainer pick at the time because Okafor had red flags and we already had 2 centers. And that's just a rumor that management made Hinkie take Okafor. I don't believe it personally but I wouldn't put it past management to do that. And who cares if Porzingis' agent said he didn't want to come to the Sixers. Okafor didn't want to come to the Sixers either because we already had 2 centers. Hinkie easily could have taken Porzingis. Porzingis would have come.

[Ericb5]

It is so irritating that guys keep trying to slip Okafor's name into a grouping with Embiid and Simmons as potential great players. Okafor isn't going to be anybody's top 10 anything.

I'm so angry with Hinkie that he drafted Okafor over Porzingis. Ugh. If we had Embiid Porzingis and Simmons's we would be a serious problem. We still should be a problem with Embiid and Simmons but damn we should have Porzingis too. I'll never forgive Hinkie for that and I love him in every other thing he did but he blew it last year. And now thinking more and more about it it makes me even more angry because even if Embiid wasn't healthy and he had concerns about his health, what was the benefit of drafting another Center when we already had Noel as the Embiid insurance? Yeah maybe he wanted Russell but who cares he was gone. Porzingis should have been the pick not another Center who had serious flaws on the defensive end.

Who knows? If we had Porzingis, we might not have even gotten Simmons. I get that Porzingis is turning out to be the better player but Okafor was the no-brainer pick at the time. Plus, didn't Harris and co. all but force Hinkie to take Okafor after the Embiid setback? Not to mention that Porzingis's agent told Hinkie before the draft not to take his client.

Yeah. I would rather have Porzingis than Okafor, but I'd rather have Simmons and Okafor over Porzingis and some other typical top 10 pick.

Porzingis is awesome, but he is highly overrated. People talk about him like he is a potential franchise player, and I just don't see it. I see a potential all star, but that's it.

That is basically the same ceiling as Okafor. Simmons and Embiid will challenge for an MVP award someday.


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[Unbreakable99]

I'm so angry with Hinkie that he drafted Okafor over Porzingis. Ugh. If we had Embiid Porzingis and Simmons's we would be a serious problem. We still should be a problem with Embiid and Simmons but damn we should have Porzingis too. I'll never forgive Hinkie for that and I love him in every other thing he did but he blew it last year. And now thinking more and more about it it makes me even more angry because even if Embiid wasn't healthy and he had concerns about his health, what was the benefit of drafting another Center when we already had Noel as the Embiid insurance? Yeah maybe he wanted Russell but who cares he was gone. Porzingis should have been the pick not another Center who had serious flaws on the defensive end.

Who knows? If we had Porzingis, we might not have even gotten Simmons. I get that Porzingis is turning out to be the better player but Okafor was the no-brainer pick at the time. Plus, didn't Harris and co. all but force Hinkie to take Okafor after the Embiid setback? Not to mention that Porzingis's agent told Hinkie before the draft not to take his client.

Yeah. I would rather have Porzingis than Okafor, but I'd rather have Simmons and Okafor over Porzingis and some other typical top 10 pick.

Porzingis is awesome, but he is highly overrated. People talk about him like he is a potential franchise player, and I just don't see it. I see a potential all star, but that's it.

That is basically the same ceiling as Okafor. Simmons and Embiid will challenge for an MVP award someday.


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Porzingis is a franchise player. And if we had Porzingis last year we still would have had the worst record so we would still have gotten Simmons.

[TTP]

Who knows? If we had Porzingis, we might not have even gotten Simmons. I get that Porzingis is turning out to be the better player but Okafor was the no-brainer pick at the time. Plus, didn't Harris and co. all but force Hinkie to take Okafor after the Embiid setback? Not to mention that Porzingis's agent told Hinkie before the draft not to take his client.

Yeah. I would rather have Porzingis than Okafor, but I'd rather have Simmons and Okafor over Porzingis and some other typical top 10 pick.

Porzingis is awesome, but he is highly overrated. People talk about him like he is a potential franchise player, and I just don't see it. I see a potential all star, but that's it.

That is basically the same ceiling as Okafor. Simmons and Embiid will challenge for an MVP award someday.


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Porzingis is a franchise player. And if we had Porzingis last year we still wouldn't have had the worst record so we would still have gotten Simmons.

This depends on your definition of franchise player. I thought about this recently and posted it elsewhere but I'm defining franchise player aka superstar as a player that can be a #1 on a championship team.

In the current NBA I count 8 players that currently fit that description: Curry, Lebron, Durant, Kawhi, Harden, CP3, Westbrook, Paul George.

There's another 3 that are close that almost certainly will enter that category soon: AD, Cousins, Towns

Then there's 3 others that I think have that potential to get there at some point but are very far off and may not ever get there: Giannis, Embiid, Simmons

I put Porzingis in a category of other young players with star but not superstar potential - these guys likely top out as #2s on a championship squad. Other members include Jokic, Russell, Booker, Wiggins, Ingram. It's not impossible that one of these guys makes a huge jump and moves up a tier in the future but this is how I'm projecting them currently.

[SelfishPlayer]

Hinkie drafted Dario Saric over Zach Lavine which was a mistake then and looks like an even greater mistake with every day that passes considering the extremely weak SIxers backcourt.

[bedjawII]

There is only one draft pick that Hinkie get undeniably right and that's Embiid. Every other there is a pretty clear case for picking a different player.
However I also credit him for not botching any pick either. Each of his 1st Rd picks has value. His draft record is pretty good but not great. Combine that with historic losing, no attempt to build any type of professional roster and the dysfunction of the team off the court and that is why you'll never hear the words genius, savior, great and Sam Hinkie come out of my mouth in the same sentence.

[NYSixersFan]

Can you tell me what Hinkie did that any Monkey couldn't have done if allowed?

[LloydFree]

Hinkie drafted Dario Saric over Zach Lavine which was a mistake then and looks like an even greater mistake with every day that passes considering the extremely weak SIxers backcourt.

I don't think passing on Zach Lavine specifically, was the mistake. I think selecting Saric specifically, was a mistake. It meant the 76ers didn't add anything that would help them be better in 2015 and they didn't get the normal "bump" of good will, from the popularity of a lottery pick developing in front of media and fans. I still believe that the selection of Saric and him staying in Europe, played a huge role in Hinkie not selecting Porzingis in 2015. The fans and the media would have burned the stadium down (if after selecting the no-show Saric) he would have selected Porzingis over the 'casual fan's' future star, Jahlil Okafor.

I didnt then, and still don't like Lavine. (I liked Kyle Anderson, who's done nothing, better than both at the time) But if they would have selected Lavine, it would have brought enough good will and excitement that it would have given the illusion that they were building something and Hinkie would have had the solid footing to select Porzingis or whoever else he wanted. This, instead of having to select the politically correct, but lesser player, Okafor. Taking Saric did more harm to Hinkies' plan ascetically, than any tangible benefits he could possibly add on the court.

[Ericb5]

Yeah. I would rather have Porzingis than Okafor, but I'd rather have Simmons and Okafor over Porzingis and some other typical top 10 pick.

Porzingis is awesome, but he is highly overrated. People talk about him like he is a potential franchise player, and I just don't see it. I see a potential all star, but that's it.

That is basically the same ceiling as Okafor. Simmons and Embiid will challenge for an MVP award someday.


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Porzingis is a franchise player. And if we had Porzingis last year we still wouldn't have had the worst record so we would still have gotten Simmons.

This depends on your definition of franchise player. I thought about this recently and posted it elsewhere but I'm defining franchise player aka superstar as a player that can be a #1 on a championship team.

In the current NBA I count 8 players that currently fit that description: Curry, Lebron, Durant, Kawhi, Harden, CP3, Westbrook, Paul George.

There's another 3 that are close that almost certainly will enter that category soon: AD, Cousins, Towns

Then there's 3 others that I think have that potential to get there at some point but are very far off and may not ever get there: Giannis, Embiid, Simmons

I put Porzingis in a category of other young players with star but not superstar potential - these guys likely top out as #2s on a championship squad. Other members include Jokic, Russell, Booker, Wiggins, Ingram. It's not impossible that one of these guys makes a huge jump and moves up a tier in the future but this is how I'm projecting them currently.

That's basically my definition too. Stars are all stars. Superstars/franchise players are guys that will contend for an MVP award.


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[SelfishPlayer]

Porzingis is a tad bit overrated, but I also don't think that he's being utilized properly. He should be their #1 option and/or involved in far more plays.He should be involved in the most pick and rolls behind the 3 point line for all big men in the NBA, and they should create mismatches where a smaller guy guards him in the midpost area. When I look at Knicks games I see him with the ball creating for himself off the bounce behind the three point line. He's not a good enough passer for that to be worth developing so he tends to look like a ballstopper that's going to dribble the basketball off of his foot. I don't think that anyone would have selected Porzingis over Okafor. There was a greater chance of Cousins being selected over Turner.

[Ericb5]

Porzingis is a tad bit overrated, but I also don't think that he's being utilized properly. He should be their #1 option and/or involved in far more plays.He should be involved in the most pick and rolls behind the 3 point line for all big men in the NBA, and they should create mismatches where a smaller guy guards him in the midpost area. When I look at Knicks games I see him with the ball creating for himself off the bounce behind the three point line. He's not a good enough passer for that to be worth developing so he tends to look like a ballstopper that's going to dribble the basketball off of his foot. I don't think that anyone would have selected Porzingis over Okafor. There was a greater chance of Cousins being selected over Turner.

Agreed.

Porzingis has to prove that he can rebound, and make his own offense. So far he has been a mediocre rebounder at best. For him to become a star he will have to be better at that. I make the same proclamation about Okafor.


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Stauskas' block, Saric's "Wentz-like" coast to coast pass, Embiid's thunder dunk.

Hinike's babies from 2014 draft class in full display.

[HotelVitale]

Porzingis is a franchise player. And if we had Porzingis last year we still wouldn't have had the worst record so we would still have gotten Simmons.

This depends on your definition of franchise player. I thought about this recently and posted it elsewhere but I'm defining franchise player aka superstar as a player that can be a #1 on a championship team. In the current NBA I count 8 players that currently fit that description: Curry, Lebron, Durant, Kawhi, Harden, CP3, Westbrook, Paul George... I put Porzingis in a category of other young players with star but not superstar potential - these guys likely top out as #2s on a championship squad. Other members include Jokic, Russell, Booker, Wiggins, Ingram. It's not impossible that one of these guys makes a huge jump and moves up a tier in the future but this is how I'm projecting them currently.

That's basically my definition too. Stars are all stars. Superstars/franchise players are guys that will contend for an MVP award.

I can't tell if you guys are being serious. There are 8-10 players who are real superstars, so then everyone one else who's either good or promising is in one other tier? Seems like self-serving sour grapes.

Porzingis might never make it to legit MVP candidate status but any tier system that throws him in with Ingram--who hasn't been remotely good at all and aside from length has zero special attributes--seems designed to not see either how good he is now and his likely ceiling. I get that your point is 'someday these 8 guys could be secondary all-stars' but lumping together some guys who are already terrific players with some other top 3 picks who've been mediocre at best seems like it's designed to make us feel great about having a potential elite Embiid while shrugging off everyone else we didn't get.

(Also what would Anthony Davis need to do to get to your 'superstar' category? 29/12/2 (and 1.5 st/2.5 bl) on great efficiency, while playing on a team that has maybe 3-4 real NBA players (and singlehandedly dragging them out of the cellar). Not sure how someone like Paul George is outplaying him.)

[rzzzzz]

anybody notice how Embiid, even on "off" days, is able to singlehandedly take over games and will his team to win? there are other good young players out there, but none of them can do that. and Hinkie had to put up with all the catcalls waiting two years to see if Joel was going to mend, especially when the first operation didn't get the job done in timely fashion. oh, and he also snagged Dario (give this guy another year and you'll see) plus steal back our future first round draft pick. he's the franchise, the mvp, and there are folks even on this board questioning Sam's talent as an evaluator. get outta here.

OK, so he took Noel and then MCW while Giannis was still on the board. THAT was probably his biggest miss. almost everybody else's as well. i don't know about the clubs internal politics, but it was a crisis when Embiid's scan came back showing insufficient healing. and of course our peerless pundits were reporting that he broke it again, and that he was acting out and otherwise total folly. KAT and the Zinger are both really good prospects, but not quite the perfection folks here swoon about. just read the other boards. Russell continues to struggle and will never be all that nimble (even as the pundits called him the next great force in the modern game). Mudiay? Mario? can't miss, right? OK4 is the very best offensive post player (until Embiid catches up to him) and he's better than he was last year. Sam wanted insurance who he could get some return on when Embiid proved he was healthy. and, allegedly, he took calls from Danny, Phil, Pat and Pops on him. a bunch of old guys who haven't kept up with the times. and of course, now we got Simmons. yep, it's a privilege to be able to read the wisdom of so many fans and pundits who would have done a lot better job putting together a contending roster than poor Sam Hinkie.

[LloydFree]

anybody notice how Embiid, even on "off" days, is able to singlehandedly take over games and will his team to win? there are other good young players out there, but none of them can do that. and Hinkie had to put up with all the catcalls waiting two years to see if Joel was going to mend, especially when the first operation didn't get the job done in timely fashion. oh, and he also snagged Dario (give this guy another year and you'll see) plus steal back our future first round draft pick. he's the franchise, the mvp, and there are folks even on this board questioning Sam's talent as an evaluator. get outta here.

OK, so he took Noel and then MCW while Giannis was still on the board. THAT was probably his biggest miss. almost everybody else's as well. i don't know about the clubs internal politics, but it was a crisis when Embiid's scan came back showing insufficient healing. and of course our peerless pundits were reporting that he broke it again, and that he was acting out and otherwise total folly. KAT and the Zinger are both really good prospects, but not quite the perfection folks here swoon about. just read the other boards. Russell continues to struggle and will never be all that nimble (even as the pundits called him the next great force in the modern game). Mudiay? Mario? can't miss, right? OK4 is the very best offensive post player (until Embiid catches up to him) and he's better than he was last year. Sam wanted insurance who he could get some return on when Embiid proved he was healthy. and, allegedly, he took calls from Danny, Phil, Pat and Pops on him. a bunch of old guys who haven't kept up with the times. and of course, now we got Simmons. yep, it's a privilege to be able to read the wisdom of so many fans and pundits who would have done a lot better job putting together a contending roster than poor Sam Hinkie.

Oh please. Give me a break. If you didn't feel the need to keep bringing him up or prove he is a good player nobody would say anything about him. Stop crying.

[Slizeezyc]

anybody notice how Embiid, even on "off" days, is able to singlehandedly take over games and will his team to win? there are other good young players out there, but none of them can do that. and Hinkie had to put up with all the catcalls waiting two years to see if Joel was going to mend, especially when the first operation didn't get the job done in timely fashion. oh, and he also snagged Dario (give this guy another year and you'll see) plus steal back our future first round draft pick. he's the franchise, the mvp, and there are folks even on this board questioning Sam's talent as an evaluator. get outta here.

OK, so he took Noel and then MCW while Giannis was still on the board. THAT was probably his biggest miss. almost everybody else's as well. i don't know about the clubs internal politics, but it was a crisis when Embiid's scan came back showing insufficient healing. and of course our peerless pundits were reporting that he broke it again, and that he was acting out and otherwise total folly. KAT and the Zinger are both really good prospects, but not quite the perfection folks here swoon about. just read the other boards. Russell continues to struggle and will never be all that nimble (even as the pundits called him the next great force in the modern game). Mudiay? Mario? can't miss, right? OK4 is the very best offensive post player (until Embiid catches up to him) and he's better than he was last year. Sam wanted insurance who he could get some return on when Embiid proved he was healthy. and, allegedly, he took calls from Danny, Phil, Pat and Pops on him. a bunch of old guys who haven't kept up with the times. and of course, now we got Simmons. yep, it's a privilege to be able to read the wisdom of so many fans and pundits who would have done a lot better job putting together a contending roster than poor Sam Hinkie.

On what planet is Okafor the best offensive post player? He's been below NBA league average on post ups (points per post up) since he entered the league. That's just a dumb thing to say and think like "yeah, no, I don't need to back this up." Beyond that, on a scouting level he rarely actually tries to catch the ball deep, even when he gets position deep he won't hold it or he will give it up to go out to 15 feet to then face up. He scores on face ups with some efficiency, not post ups.

[rzzzzz]

Oh please. Give me a break.

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Embiid is fantastic, high hopes for Simmons. Sam did a fantastic job. i like both Noel and Okafor. so sue me.

[shawn_hemp]

face ups, post-ups... its not like it makes a huge difference to the final score.

Jahlil is right there with Embiid as the best 1v1 offensive players from mid-range to the basket on our team. Regardless of how he scores, he can score. If he shot better from the FT line he would be one of the best scoring bigs in the league IMO