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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#121 » by jbent87 » Tue Nov 8, 2016 6:42 pm

Somethings gotta give. All of the losing stuff was associated with Hinkie. He's gone now. So who do you blame? BC isn't owning this, he wants to win. But he's not going to make a bad move just to make one either and cost himself leverage (Nerlens). So the only thing left to do (in the case that they start out 0-10 again) is to fire Brett.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#122 » by SelfishPlayer » Tue Nov 8, 2016 7:13 pm

jbent87 wrote:Somethings gotta give. All of the losing stuff was associated with Hinkie. He's gone now. So who do you blame? BC isn't owning this, he wants to win. But he's not going to make a bad move just to make one either and cost himself leverage (Nerlens). So the only thing left to do (in the case that they start out 0-10 again) is to fire Brett.


TJ McConnell and Nik Stauskas are on the team getting major minutes, that's Colangelo's doing. If they weren't on the team then Brett Brown couldn't sabotage the games by inserting them. Colangelo could send them to the D League but he doesn't. :crazy: It creates this situation where people defend those two players for simply being the best available on the roster, but they aren't the best available in the world. TJ and Nik are not part of the 450 best basketball players on the planet. There are guys on the street, in the D League, and overseas that can play the game better than them.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#123 » by Unbreakable99 » Tue Nov 8, 2016 7:43 pm

How do you guys think about Mark Jackson as head coach. He did ok as the Warriors coach.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#124 » by eagereyez » Tue Nov 8, 2016 7:56 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:How do you guys think about Mark Jackson as head coach. He did ok as the Warriors coach.

Dear God no, that would be awful. Warriors fans hate him for a reason: https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/42b5ne/what_exactly_is_mark_jackson_accused_suspected_of/

If they're going to replace Brown, they should look for someone who is young with fresh ideas. Guys like Walton/Stevens.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#125 » by Unbreakable99 » Tue Nov 8, 2016 7:59 pm

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Unbreakable99 wrote:How do you guys think about Mark Jackson as head coach. He did ok as the Warriors coach.

Dear God no, that would be awful. Warriors fans hate him for a reason: https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/42b5ne/what_exactly_is_mark_jackson_accused_suspected_of/

If they're going to replace Brown, they should look for someone who is young with fresh ideas. Guys like Walton/Stevens.


I know all he did. I'm just looking at coaching. I'm not high on him. I'll just say that right now but his teams could play defense. I'm just wondering who's out there who we can get. Brett Brown can kick rocks. He's awful. The one good thing about Hinkie getting fired is that BC is not loyal to Brown and will fire him unlike Hinkie would. Hinkie would have Brown coaching for 2 more seasons a time a minimum.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#126 » by SelfishPlayer » Tue Nov 8, 2016 8:29 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote: The one good thing about Hinkie getting fired is that BC is not loyal to Brown and will fire him unlike Hinkie would. Hinkie would have Brown coaching for 2 more seasons a time a minimum.


You're wrong. Brett Brown signed a two year contract extension on December 11th 2015. That happened after Jerry Colangelo took over the team on December 7th 2015. Father and son are one...
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#127 » by Unbreakable99 » Tue Nov 8, 2016 8:31 pm

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Unbreakable99 wrote: The one good thing about Hinkie getting fired is that BC is not loyal to Brown and will fire him unlike Hinkie would. Hinkie would have Brown coaching for 2 more seasons a time a minimum.


You're wrong. Brett Brown signed a two year contract extension on December 11th 2015. That happened after Jerry Colangelo took over the team on December 7th 2015. Father and son are one...


I'm right. You're wrong. Hinkie was still in charge. BC was not there yet. BC has no allegiance to Brett Brown. He'll be gone by the end of the season and rightfully so.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#128 » by SelfishPlayer » Tue Nov 8, 2016 8:44 pm

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Unbreakable99 wrote: The one good thing about Hinkie getting fired is that BC is not loyal to Brown and will fire him unlike Hinkie would. Hinkie would have Brown coaching for 2 more seasons a time a minimum.


You're wrong. Brett Brown signed a two year contract extension on December 11th 2015. That happened after Jerry Colangelo took over the team on December 7th 2015. Father and son are one...


I'm right. You're wrong. Hinkie was still in charge. BC was not there yet. BC has no allegiance to Brett Brown. He'll be gone by the end of the season and rightfully so.


Hinkie hasn't been in charge since Jerry took over the team you're lying and that's why he quite. In YOUR mind you believe that BC & JC have different agendas. That's odd... :noway:
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#129 » by 76thBearCub » Tue Nov 8, 2016 8:46 pm

Wonder how much extra rope if any Brown gets for his relationship with Simmons and family.
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When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#130 » by Ericb5 » Tue Nov 8, 2016 9:23 pm

76thBearCub wrote:Wonder how much extra rope if any Brown gets for his relationship with Simmons and family.


Yeah, are we really going to fire the coach that has a connection to Simmons before he gets to coach him?

This is completely misplaced anger. Not you, but the people calling for his head.

We are exactly where we want to be as an organization, and you can't take the fruits of the strategy(Embiid and Simmons) and then fire the loyal soldier that came into the system wide eyed and prepared, before he gets the chance to coach a real team.

The general immaturity of many posters on this board is annoying. They have completely emotional reactions to things.

You simply can't fire Brown before he has a chance to coach our two foundational pieces for a while. It is disloyal, but it is also stupid.

You can live with the disloyal part if there is a candidate with an obviously better resume, but there isn't anyone available like that in the middle of the season. This is the thinking that got us Mo Cheeks, and Randy Ayers, and Chris Forde, and Jim Obrien.

In the end, when we are contending year after year, many people will claim that they supported the process from the beginning, and many people will be lying.

If you are advocating firing brown today then you never supported the process in the first place, because you are admitting that improving the team on the floor was part of the process, when in reality it wasn't.

Now that we have successfully gotten through the first phase, you can't suddenly decide that the coach is the problem, when for 3 years we have only acquired high level lottery picks, and scrap heap players. You don't suddenly decide that we shouldn't have done that.

You should be ashamed of yourselves for the reactionary BS 6 games into the season when we don't even have 2 of our best 4 players available to us. Simmons, and Noel haven't even suited up once.

On top of all that, as I keep saying, we should be waking up everyday pinching ourselves that we were successfully able to get two franchise players in just over 3 years. Fans should have an attitude of gratitude because we are set up tremendously well. We are in GREAT shape.

I wouldn't trade our current situation for any young team in the league.




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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#131 » by Unbreakable99 » Tue Nov 8, 2016 10:02 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
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You're wrong. Brett Brown signed a two year contract extension on December 11th 2015. That happened after Jerry Colangelo took over the team on December 7th 2015. Father and son are one...


I'm right. You're wrong. Hinkie was still in charge. BC was not there yet. BC has no allegiance to Brett Brown. He'll be gone by the end of the season and rightfully so.


Hinkie hasn't been in charge since Jerry took over the team you're lying and that's why he quite. In YOUR mind you believe that BC & JC have different agendas. That's odd... :noway:


BC is not tied to Brown. Brown will Ben fired by year's end if not sooner. If he's not ill be surprised.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#132 » by Unbreakable99 » Tue Nov 8, 2016 10:03 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
76thBearCub wrote:Wonder how much extra rope if any Brown gets for his relationship with Simmons and family.


Yeah, are we really going to fire the coach that has a connection to Simmons before he gets to coach him?

This is completely misplaced anger. Not you, but the people calling for his head.

We are exactly where we want to be as an organization, and you can't take the fruits of the strategy(Embiid and Simmons) and then fire the loyal soldier that came into the system wide eyed and prepared, before he gets the chance to coach a real team.

The general immaturity of many posters on this board is annoying. They have completely emotional reactions to things.

You simply can't fire Brown before he has a chance to coach our two foundational pieces for a while. It is disloyal, but it is also stupid.

You can live with the disloyal part if there is a candidate with an obviously better resume, but there isn't anyone available like that in the middle of the season. This is the thinking that got us Mo Cheeks, and Randy Ayers, and Chris Forde, and Jim Obrien.

In the end, when we are contending year after year, many people will claim that they supported the process from the beginning, and many people will be lying.

If you are advocating firing brown today then you never supported the process in the first place, because you are admitting that improving the team on the floor was part of the process, when in reality it wasn't.

Now that we have successfully gotten through the first phase, you can't suddenly decide that the coach is the problem, when for 3 years we have only acquired high level lottery picks, and scrap heap players. You don't suddenly decide that we shouldn't have done that.

You should be ashamed of yourselves for the reactionary BS 6 games into the season when we don't even have 2 of our best 4 players available to us. Simmons, and Noel haven't even suited up once.

On top of all that, as I keep saying, we should be waking up everyday pinching ourselves that we were successfully able to get two franchise players in just over 3 years. Fans should have an attitude of gratitude because we are set up tremendously well. We are in GREAT shape.

I wouldn't trade our current situation for any young team in the league.




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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#133 » by SelfishPlayer » Tue Nov 8, 2016 10:17 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
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Unbreakable99 wrote:
I'm right. You're wrong. Hinkie was still in charge. BC was not there yet. BC has no allegiance to Brett Brown. He'll be gone by the end of the season and rightfully so.


Hinkie hasn't been in charge since Jerry took over the team you're lying and that's why he quite. In YOUR mind you believe that BC & JC have different agendas. That's odd... :noway:


BC is not tied to Brown. Brown will Ben fired by year's end if not sooner. If he's not ill be surprised.


I'll be surprised if he's fired during the season.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#134 » by Ericb5 » Tue Nov 8, 2016 10:35 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
76thBearCub wrote:Wonder how much extra rope if any Brown gets for his relationship with Simmons and family.


Yeah, are we really going to fire the coach that has a connection to Simmons before he gets to coach him?

This is completely misplaced anger. Not you, but the people calling for his head.

We are exactly where we want to be as an organization, and you can't take the fruits of the strategy(Embiid and Simmons) and then fire the loyal soldier that came into the system wide eyed and prepared, before he gets the chance to coach a real team.

The general immaturity of many posters on this board is annoying. They have completely emotional reactions to things.

You simply can't fire Brown before he has a chance to coach our two foundational pieces for a while. It is disloyal, but it is also stupid.

You can live with the disloyal part if there is a candidate with an obviously better resume, but there isn't anyone available like that in the middle of the season. This is the thinking that got us Mo Cheeks, and Randy Ayers, and Chris Forde, and Jim Obrien.

In the end, when we are contending year after year, many people will claim that they supported the process from the beginning, and many people will be lying.

If you are advocating firing brown today then you never supported the process in the first place, because you are admitting that improving the team on the floor was part of the process, when in reality it wasn't.

Now that we have successfully gotten through the first phase, you can't suddenly decide that the coach is the problem, when for 3 years we have only acquired high level lottery picks, and scrap heap players. You don't suddenly decide that we shouldn't have done that.

You should be ashamed of yourselves for the reactionary BS 6 games into the season when we don't even have 2 of our best 4 players available to us. Simmons, and Noel haven't even suited up once.

On top of all that, as I keep saying, we should be waking up everyday pinching ourselves that we were successfully able to get two franchise players in just over 3 years. Fans should have an attitude of gratitude because we are set up tremendously well. We are in GREAT shape.

I wouldn't trade our current situation for any young team in the league.




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The process was all about getting superstar or more. It was never about keeping an inept coach.


It was about getting superstars, and we got two of them, which is a resounding success. Since prioritizing short term performance wasn't part of the process, you can't decide that the coach is inept because he didn't get blood from a stone.

This team is not capable of winning period. This is the first year where he even has a chance, and you don't fire a guy 6 games into his chance, especially when Simmons and Noel haven't taken the floor once, and Okafor and Embiid are on medical minutes restrictions.


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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#135 » by Ericb5 » Tue Nov 8, 2016 10:37 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
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Hinkie hasn't been in charge since Jerry took over the team you're lying and that's why he quite. In YOUR mind you believe that BC & JC have different agendas. That's odd... :noway:


BC is not tied to Brown. Brown will Ben fired by year's end if not sooner. If he's not ill be surprised.


I'll be surprised if he's fired during the season.


But your arguing that he should be. What if Embiid stays healthy, Simmons comes back sometime in January, and the Sixers win 8 of their last 20 games?




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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#136 » by SelfishPlayer » Tue Nov 8, 2016 10:41 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
BC is not tied to Brown. Brown will Ben fired by year's end if not sooner. If he's not ill be surprised.


I'll be surprised if he's fired during the season.


But your arguing that he should be. What if Embiid stays healthy, Simmons comes back sometime in January, and the Sixers win 8 of their last 20 games?




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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#137 » by 76thBearCub » Wed Nov 9, 2016 1:42 am

Ericb5 wrote:
I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I think we agree its all about Embiids development and Simmons return and development.

Embiid wants to win some basketball games. He is not fooling around. So we need to help him do that. I would love to get another top 3 pick but at this point I do think winning becomes a priority.

Plus we might get some extra lottery balls from the Kings trade.

But how we help him do that is we obviously have to get him some talent to work with or look at the coaching.

I am in favor of getting some talent. Brown deserves that chance. I get emotional like everybody else and criticize but he really hasn't even had a decent shot yet. We need a guard. Bayless should be coming back, but if that goes as well as Kendall Marshall did last year, we're in a bad spot.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#138 » by Mik317 » Wed Nov 9, 2016 2:10 am

Brett is probably a goner.

but I'd rather not do it during the season. I'd rather not have Jim O'Brien get elevated due to the return of talent and being stuck w/ him. Wait until the offseason, get a young guy and have him install his **** with a full offseason. Hell if Brett is as bad as many claim, hey...better lottery odds, no?
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#139 » by LloydFree » Wed Nov 9, 2016 2:23 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:How do you guys think about Mark Jackson as head coach. He did ok as the Warriors coach.

A religious nut, who is more focused on preaching than coaching.
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Post#140 » by CoreyGallagher » Wed Nov 9, 2016 2:25 am

The only coach I would feel alright replacing Brett Brown with right now is Jay Wright.

Just think about all of the best dressed columns we would get. The " impeccably dressed daddy’s boy" Bryan Colangelo and the challenger, newly hired Head Coach, Jay Wright. Eat your heart out Pompey.
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