2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc)

Chris76 · Post #121 » by **Chris76** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:56 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
CoreyGallagher wrote:Ideally they both win the lottery.

Hold the phone!!! So if the Lakers get the #1 next year and the Kings the #1 next year, we would get both??? I thought that's what I read but I just wanted to confirm...

If that does happen, then the celtics get the sixers 2019 unprotected right?

Yeah and yeah.

If the Sixers get 4 consecutive #1 picks, Boston would get the Sixers 1st round pick in 2019, hopefully, #30.

PhilBlackson · Post #122 » by **PhilBlackson** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:07 am

BC just had an unbelievable draft this year!

I think you just had to let him get the "Bargnani" out of his system with AP but the rest were great picks! Wow

Wilfried · Post #123 » by **Wilfried** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:20 am

PhilBlackson wrote:BC just had an unbelievable draft this year!

I think you just had to let him get the "Bargnani" out of his system with AP but the rest were great picks! Wow

To be fair ... BC has a pretty good draft record (although Bargnani).

But picking at #1 is much more risky than picking at #8 - #12. Nobody will haunt you if you miss in that zone.

PhilasFinest · Post #124 » by **PhilasFinest** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:20 pm

Wilfried wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:BC just had an unbelievable draft this year!

I think you just had to let him get the "Bargnani" out of his system with AP but the rest were great picks! Wow

To be fair ... BC has a pretty good draft record (although Bargnani).

But picking at #1 is much more risky than picking at #8 - #12. Nobody will haunt you if you miss in that zone.

IDK about all of that lol,some on this board are in outrage over selling 2nd rounders.

OleSchool · Post #125 » by **OleSchool** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:52 pm

Think we all need to pay attention to the PG situation.

If Bos. trades for PG LAL may be the worst team in the league. Dont know why Magicc traded DLO without having PG trade done. HUGE mistake

HankTheTank · Post #126 » by **HankTheTank** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:12 pm

OleSchool wrote:Think we all need to pay attention to the PG situation.

If Bos. trades for PG LAL may be the worst team in the league. Dont know why Magicc traded DLO without having PG trade done. HUGE mistake

Celtics sign Hayward, trade Brown, Bradley and that Laker pick for PG makes a lot of sense. Based on the Butler trade it may not even cost that much. Man, the Lakers will have completely screwed themselves, because LeBron would likely not go there without PG. and what assets do the Lakers have to trade??

OleSchool · Post #127 » by **OleSchool** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:27 pm

HankTheTank wrote:
OleSchool wrote:Think we all need to pay attention to the PG situation.

If Bos. trades for PG LAL may be the worst team in the league. Dont know why Magicc traded DLO without having PG trade done. HUGE mistake

Celtics sign Hayward, trade Brown, Bradley and that Laker pick for PG makes a lot of sense. Based on the Butler trade it may not even cost that much. Man, the Lakers will have completely screwed themselves, because LeBron would likely not go there without PG. and what assets do the Lakers have to trade??

Ball and Ingram. I don't like Randle

They're in real trouble if they can't swoop in and get him before Bos

the_process · Post #128 » by **the_process** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:30 pm

We've all heard all the noise before from Boston about all the players they are supposedly going after or going to get. I'm not buying it. I'm especially not buying it because it's being tied to signing Hayward. I don't think Hayward is leaving, I don't think Ainge thinks Hayward is leaving, so he gives himself an out when that happens. But in the meantime, everybody is talking about the Celtics and how hard Danny is working to make them "better".

the_process · Post #129 » by **the_process** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:33 pm

OleSchool wrote:
HankTheTank wrote:
OleSchool wrote:Think we all need to pay attention to the PG situation.

If Bos. trades for PG LAL may be the worst team in the league. Dont know why Magicc traded DLO without having PG trade done. HUGE mistake

Celtics sign Hayward, trade Brown, Bradley and that Laker pick for PG makes a lot of sense. Based on the Butler trade it may not even cost that much. Man, the Lakers will have completely screwed themselves, because LeBron would likely not go there without PG. and what assets do the Lakers have to trade??

Ball and Ingram. I don't like Randle

They're in real trouble if they can't swoop in and get him before Bos

LeBron is going to the Clippers to form the banana boat. Melo will get traded there, then Wade. Then CP3 and Griffin will get their $$. Then next summer Bron forces a S&T for Griffin.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #130 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:49 am

So I was thinking about this today. The last two years in these threads we were hardcore scoreboard watching. Even when we told ourselves(and each other) we weren't going to, but of course we did anyway. We told ourselves with each draft we wouldn't be nervous on lottery night, but each time we were anyway.

For some reason I think it'll be different next time around. Mainly because we got our "Big 3" and I don't know what it is about the number 3 that seems to bring peace of mind, but having 3 star caliber players seems to be the line of demarcation.

So how do you guys think this thread is going to be the upcoming season knowing that the pick has such odd protections? Like for example, say the Lakers all year are hovering in the 6-8 zone. That will make our rooting interests different than if they completely go into the toilet and suck badly all year.

I think this thread is going to be a very relaxed and sarcastic party this year.... until March. If we get to March and the Lakers are within striking distance of the top 3 lottery odds, then I think the scoreboard watching kicks into high gear.

OleSchool · Post #131 » by **OleSchool** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:15 pm

LongLiveHinkie wrote:So I was thinking about this today. The last two years in these threads we were hardcore scoreboard watching. Even when we told ourselves(and each other) we weren't going to, but of course we did anyway. We told ourselves with each draft we wouldn't be nervous on lottery night, but each time we were anyway.

For some reason I think it'll be different next time around. Mainly because we got our "Big 3" and I don't know what it is about the number 3 that seems to bring peace of mind, but having 3 star caliber players seems to be the line of demarcation.

So how do you guys think this thread is going to be the upcoming season knowing that the pick has such odd protections? Like for example, say the Lakers all year are hovering in the 6-8 zone. That will make our rooting interests different than if they completely go into the toilet and suck badly all year.

I think this thread is going to be a very relaxed and sarcastic party this year.... until March. If we get to March and the Lakers are within striking distance of the top 3 lottery odds, then I think the scoreboard watching kicks into high gear.

No the last couple of years this is all we really had to look forward to so this thread was our release.. This year we actually have to look forward to the games, so it'll be way more reserved.

Ericb5 · Post #132 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:04 pm

OleSchool wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:So I was thinking about this today. The last two years in these threads we were hardcore scoreboard watching. Even when we told ourselves(and each other) we weren't going to, but of course we did anyway. We told ourselves with each draft we wouldn't be nervous on lottery night, but each time we were anyway.

For some reason I think it'll be different next time around. Mainly because we got our "Big 3" and I don't know what it is about the number 3 that seems to bring peace of mind, but having 3 star caliber players seems to be the line of demarcation.

So how do you guys think this thread is going to be the upcoming season knowing that the pick has such odd protections? Like for example, say the Lakers all year are hovering in the 6-8 zone. That will make our rooting interests different than if they completely go into the toilet and suck badly all year.

I think this thread is going to be a very relaxed and sarcastic party this year.... until March. If we get to March and the Lakers are within striking distance of the top 3 lottery odds, then I think the scoreboard watching kicks into high gear.

No the last couple of years this is all we really had to look forward to so this thread was our release.. This year we actually have to look forward to the games, so it'll be way more reserved.

Next year the protections on the Lakers pick, and our winning will make there be a lot less at stake for us.

For the Lakers pick, if they are in the bottom 5 for lottery position the protections will make it extremely unlikely that we get the pick. It could be a moon shot kind of thing.

Or they could be in the 8-10 lottery range where again the drama will be limited.

With our pick, a healthy Sixers team is going to be in the 10-20 range and that obviously doesn't lend itself to drama.

Once the lottery shakes out though we should have some maneuverability. If we end up with say the 7th pick and the 15th pick we could have ammunition to get into the top 5 again.

Our drama this year will be mostly with the performance of our own team, and wanting wins every single night. The tank was over this year, but it is REALLY over next year.

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Aussiepiston1 · Post #133 » by **Aussiepiston1** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:14 am

OleSchool wrote:
HankTheTank wrote:
OleSchool wrote:Think we all need to pay attention to the PG situation.

If Bos. trades for PG LAL may be the worst team in the league. Dont know why Magicc traded DLO without having PG trade done. HUGE mistake

Celtics sign Hayward, trade Brown, Bradley and that Laker pick for PG makes a lot of sense. Based on the Butler trade it may not even cost that much. Man, the Lakers will have completely screwed themselves, because LeBron would likely not go there without PG. and what assets do the Lakers have to trade??

Ball and Ingram. I don't like Randle

They're in real trouble if they can't swoop in and get him before Bos

I'm not so sure,
Brook Lopez, Josh Hart and Lonzo Ball could have a bigger impact than Russell and Mozgov ever had.
Randle in year 2 has similar numbers to Draymond in year 3 (worse 3pt shooting though which I think he can improve on) so He and Ingram will be improved plus if PG gets traded to another team Magic could even sign a 1 year rental FA.
I don't see how Lakers aren't winning 30 plus games next season therefore the pick ending up between 8 and 12.

eagereyez · Post #134 » by **eagereyez** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:19 am

Aussiepiston1 wrote:
OleSchool wrote:
HankTheTank wrote:
Celtics sign Hayward, trade Brown, Bradley and that Laker pick for PG makes a lot of sense. Based on the Butler trade it may not even cost that much. Man, the Lakers will have completely screwed themselves, because LeBron would likely not go there without PG. and what assets do the Lakers have to trade??

Ball and Ingram. I don't like Randle

They're in real trouble if they can't swoop in and get him before Bos

I'm not so sure,
Brook Lopez, Josh Hart and Lonzo Ball could have a bigger impact than Russell and Mozgov ever had.
Randle in year 2 has similar numbers to Draymond in year 3 (worse 3pt shooting though which I think he can improve on) so He and Ingram will be improved plus if PG gets traded to another team Magic could even sign a 1 year rental FA.
I don't see how Lakers aren't winning 30 plus games next season therefore the pick ending up between 8 and 12.

Hart and Ball will be rookies. The Lakers also lost Young and Williams. They might improve due to Lopez and player development, but it won't be by much.

ckchen · Post #135 » by **ckchen** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:48 pm

Aussiepiston1 wrote:
OleSchool wrote:
HankTheTank wrote:
Celtics sign Hayward, trade Brown, Bradley and that Laker pick for PG makes a lot of sense. Based on the Butler trade it may not even cost that much. Man, the Lakers will have completely screwed themselves, because LeBron would likely not go there without PG. and what assets do the Lakers have to trade??

Ball and Ingram. I don't like Randle

They're in real trouble if they can't swoop in and get him before Bos

I'm not so sure,
Brook Lopez, Josh Hart and Lonzo Ball could have a bigger impact than Russell and Mozgov ever had.
Randle in year 2 has similar numbers to Draymond in year 3 (worse 3pt shooting though which I think he can improve on) so He and Ingram will be improved plus if PG gets traded to another team Magic could even sign a 1 year rental FA.
I don't see how Lakers aren't winning 30 plus games next season therefore the pick ending up between 8 and 12.

That's a lot of ifs. Every single one of those things could easily break the other way. I'm not saying it's not possible, but assuming that the Lakers suddenly vault into being a 30 win team based on a jenga stack of possibilities seems just as unlikely.

shawn_hemp · Post #136 » by **shawn_hemp** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:14 pm

the_process wrote:
OleSchool wrote:
HankTheTank wrote:
Celtics sign Hayward, trade Brown, Bradley and that Laker pick for PG makes a lot of sense. Based on the Butler trade it may not even cost that much. Man, the Lakers will have completely screwed themselves, because LeBron would likely not go there without PG. and what assets do the Lakers have to trade??

Ball and Ingram. I don't like Randle

They're in real trouble if they can't swoop in and get him before Bos

LeBron is going to the Clippers to form the banana boat. Melo will get traded there, then Wade. Then CP3 and Griffin will get their $$. Then next summer Bron forces a S&T for Griffin.

that team would still get swept by the Warriors IMO

HotelVitale · Post #137 » by **HotelVitale** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:55 pm

Aussiepiston1 wrote: Randle in year 2 has similar numbers to Draymond in year 3 (worse 3pt shooting though which I think he can improve on) so He and Ingram will be improved

Randle had a BPM of zero and a VORP of 1 last year, Draymond's third year he had a BPM of 5 and a VORP of 4.4. That's the difference between a negligible NBA player and a near all-star, hard to imagine a more superficial comparison than the raw stats of those two dudes. And Ingram was so bad last year that he'd need to have an amazing development just to become a neutral contributor.

ckchen · Post #138 » by **ckchen** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:35 pm

the_process wrote:
OleSchool wrote:
HankTheTank wrote:
Celtics sign Hayward, trade Brown, Bradley and that Laker pick for PG makes a lot of sense. Based on the Butler trade it may not even cost that much. Man, the Lakers will have completely screwed themselves, because LeBron would likely not go there without PG. and what assets do the Lakers have to trade??

Ball and Ingram. I don't like Randle

They're in real trouble if they can't swoop in and get him before Bos

LeBron is going to the Clippers to form the banana boat. Melo will get traded there, then Wade. Then CP3 and Griffin will get their $$. Then next summer Bron forces a S&T for Griffin.

They're not doing the banana boat thing - that idea is like 3-4 years too late. Nobody is trading for a team of superstars on their last legs. People have learned from the Nets KG/Pierce/DWill debacle.

Aussiepiston1 · Post #139 » by **Aussiepiston1** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:57 am

HotelVitale wrote:
Aussiepiston1 wrote: Randle in year 2 has similar numbers to Draymond in year 3 (worse 3pt shooting though which I think he can improve on) so He and Ingram will be improved

Randle had a BPM of zero and a VORP of 1 last year, Draymond's third year he had a BPM of 5 and a VORP of 4.4. That's the difference between a negligible NBA player and a near all-star, hard to imagine a more superficial comparison than the raw stats of those two dudes. And Ingram was so bad last year that he'd need to have an amazing development just to become a neutral contributor.

VORP is apparently flawed and BPM is a little biased when the Team is tanking plus He was younger at that stage.
IMO Randle has more upside than Green at the same age it's up to how badly he wants to be a great player.
Ingram has a long way to go I agree.

HotelVitale · Post #140 » by **HotelVitale** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:04 am

Aussiepiston1 wrote:
HotelVitale wrote: Randle had a BPM of zero and a VORP of 1 last year, Draymond's third year he had a BPM of 5 and a VORP of 4.4. That's the difference between a negligible NBA player and a near all-star, hard to imagine a more superficial comparison than the raw stats of those two dudes. And Ingram was so bad last year that he'd need to have an amazing development just to become a neutral contributor.
VORP is apparently flawed and BPM is a little biased when the Team is tanking plus He was younger at that stage. IMO Randle has more upside than Green at the same age it's up to how badly he wants to be a great player. Ingram has a long way to go I agree.

Okay how about this: Green last year was 1st in RPM among PFs, with a figure of 7.14; Randle was #64 (out of 83 PFs), and no one below him played nearly as many minutes as he did.

Every stat is 'flawed' in that it fails to capture the entirety of a player's upside or contributions, but no one who has awful stats in every advanced stat is actually a great player. VORP and RPM are the best we have, and they don't like Randle any more than any other stat does.