Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[ProcessDoctor]

I was initially excited about the prospect of adding Chris Paul, but now that we have Morey, I feel like if that was our big shake-up I'd be disappointed. Maybe it's the best we can do with our roster/contracts, but I just feel like he's so much more creative than that.

[youngcrev]

I have a feeling Morey will be eyeing up Beal in a big way. Just seems like the kind if guy Daryl will want to grab to make a statement. The question is whether he could do it without losing Jo or Ben. As for these trade ideas..WILL YALL EVER GET OVER JJ OR ROCO??? We won nothing when they were here but folks just cannot seem to let them go smh.

Harris, Thybulle, Shake, 3 1st round picks and pick swap options.... Eh, probably not enough there for them to think about it.

Adding Beal would be miraculous. I fear the cost of though.

If they could get a deal done without Simmons or Embiid, they should do it. Morey has shown the ability to find role players from the scrap heap.

[Kobblehead]

Are we sure Bradley Beal has a bigger impact than Ben Simmons?

He hasn't played defense in years and he has never shown to be able to carry an offense in a winning situation.

Even status quo Simmons is better than peak Bradley Beal IMO. If Simmons takes even a marginal leap, he'll be wayyyyy more impactful than Beal has ever/can ever hope to be.

[UptownPhilly]

I was initially excited about the prospect of adding Chris Paul, but now that we have Morey, I feel like if that was our big shake-up I'd be disappointed. Maybe it's the best we can do with our roster/contracts, but I just feel like he's so much more creative than that.

Same. We’ve got hope now. I don’t like the prospect of Paul at all, anymore.

[Arsenal]

I was initially excited about the prospect of adding Chris Paul, but now that we have Morey, I feel like if that was our big shake-up I'd be disappointed. Maybe it's the best we can do with our roster/contracts, but I just feel like he's so much more creative than that.

Don't understand this. Chris Paul is likely the most impactful player we could get while still keeping Ben + Jo. He's also a perfect fit w/those guys, one of very few guys who is. And he's likely to cost less than other guys people are talking about like Jrue or Beal.

I'm more hopeful than ever that we can get CP3.

[davesilver]

I cannot help but get excited over the prospect of having Jrue, Ben, Embiid, and Matisse on the floor at the same time. The defensive potential is simply staggering. Only team I see being able to outbid us is Miami by selling high on Herro/Robinson.

Jrich + 2021 FRP + Shake + Scott + Zhaire for Jrue

Pelicans get a first rounder in a stacked class. Josh Richardson seems like a great piece for New Orleans (helps majorly defensively -- can challenge me on that), not to mention a promising young player that can compete in the playoffs in Shake. They get to take on an athletic project in Zhaire, and a playoff piece in Scott.

Jrue partially solves the shot creation problem. Jrue also shoots historically .387 from 3 in the playoffs. Being able to roll out this lineup under Doc in the playoffs is absolutely a contender:
Ben - #21 (Terry/Anthony/Lewis)
Jrue - Furk
Matisse - GR3/Burks
Tobias - MLE
Embiid - Al

We'd have the most versatile defender in the league in Ben, the 2nd best defensive 5 in the league (behind Gobert) in Embiid, the best defensive guard in Jrue, and the best rookie defender in years in Matisse.

With a staff consisting of Cassell and Joerger I think we could muster up a top 7 offense with the improvement of scoring with Jrue instead of Jrich, and slight improvements across the roster (hopeful upgrade with Tobias under Rivers). I'm a firm believer in having Al as a 6-man under the Iggy framework that worked for GS, and I think his contract is actually quite trade-able after this year.

Finally, how storybook would it be to have the guy who started the process in Jrue come back to the team to win a championship.

[ProcessDoctor]

I was initially excited about the prospect of adding Chris Paul, but now that we have Morey, I feel like if that was our big shake-up I'd be disappointed. Maybe it's the best we can do with our roster/contracts, but I just feel like he's so much more creative than that.

Don't understand this. Chris Paul is likely the most impactful player we could get while still keeping Ben + Jo. He's also a perfect fit w/those guys, one of very few guys who is. And he's likely to cost less than other guys people are talking about like Jrue or Beal.

I'm more hopeful than ever that we can get CP3.

It's because the window would be so short (~2 years?) and there's a good chance he'll get injured at a critical time based on history. Having a longer championship window ought to be attainable with Morey now.

[youngcrev]

I was initially excited about the prospect of adding Chris Paul, but now that we have Morey, I feel like if that was our big shake-up I'd be disappointed. Maybe it's the best we can do with our roster/contracts, but I just feel like he's so much more creative than that.

Don't understand this. Chris Paul is likely the most impactful player we could get while still keeping Ben + Jo. He's also a perfect fit w/those guys, one of very few guys who is. And he's likely to cost less than other guys people are talking about like Jrue or Beal.

I'm more hopeful than ever that we can get CP3.

It's because the window would be so short (~2 years?) and there's a good chance he'll get injured at a critical time based on history. Having a longer championship window ought to be attainable with Morey now.

CP3 at least gives you a window, and you'd have the chance to find/develop another playmaker during that time. It's not like the wheels completely fall off a team with a prime Embiid and Simmons 2 years from now because you no longer have Paul.

[youngcrev]

I cannot help but get excited over the prospect of having Jrue, Ben, Embiid, and Matisse on the floor at the same time. The defensive potential is simply staggering. Only team I see being able to outbid us is Miami by selling high on Herro/Robinson.

Jrich + 2021 FRP + Shake + Scott + Zhaire for Jrue

Pelicans get a first rounder in a stacked class. Josh Richardson seems like a great piece for New Orleans (helps majorly defensively -- can challenge me on that), not to mention a promising young player that can compete in the playoffs in Shake. They get to take on an athletic project in Zhaire, and a playoff piece in Scott.

Jrue partially solves the shot creation problem. Jrue also shoots historically .387 from 3 in the playoffs. Being able to roll out this lineup under Doc in the playoffs is absolutely a contender:
Ben - #21 (Terry/Anthony/Lewis)
Jrue - Furk
Matisse - GR3/Burks
Tobias - MLE
Embiid - Al

We'd have the most versatile defender in the league in Ben, the 2nd best defensive 5 in the league (behind Gobert) in Embiid, the best defensive guard in Jrue, and the best rookie defender in years in Matisse.

With a staff consisting of Cassell and Joerger I think we could muster up a top 7 offense with the improvement of scoring with Jrue instead of Jrich, and slight improvements across the roster (hopeful upgrade with Tobias under Rivers). I'm a firm believer in having Al as a 6-man under the Iggy framework that worked for GS, and I think his contract is actually quite trade-able after this year.

Finally, how storybook would it be to have the guy who started the process in Jrue come back to the team to win a championship.

I don't think that would be a very competitive offer, and the salary levels would be untenable.

[davesilver]

I cannot help but get excited over the prospect of having Jrue, Ben, Embiid, and Matisse on the floor at the same time. The defensive potential is simply staggering. Only team I see being able to outbid us is Miami by selling high on Herro/Robinson.

Jrich + 2021 FRP + Shake + Scott + Zhaire for Jrue

Pelicans get a first rounder in a stacked class. Josh Richardson seems like a great piece for New Orleans (helps majorly defensively -- can challenge me on that), not to mention a promising young player that can compete in the playoffs in Shake. They get to take on an athletic project in Zhaire, and a playoff piece in Scott.

Jrue partially solves the shot creation problem. Jrue also shoots historically .387 from 3 in the playoffs. Being able to roll out this lineup under Doc in the playoffs is absolutely a contender:
Ben - #21 (Terry/Anthony/Lewis)
Jrue - Furk
Matisse - GR3/Burks
Tobias - MLE
Embiid - Al

We'd have the most versatile defender in the league in Ben, the 2nd best defensive 5 in the league (behind Gobert) in Embiid, the best defensive guard in Jrue, and the best rookie defender in years in Matisse.

With a staff consisting of Cassell and Joerger I think we could muster up a top 7 offense with the improvement of scoring with Jrue instead of Jrich, and slight improvements across the roster (hopeful upgrade with Tobias under Rivers). I'm a firm believer in having Al as a 6-man under the Iggy framework that worked for GS, and I think his contract is actually quite trade-able after this year.

Finally, how storybook would it be to have the guy who started the process in Jrue come back to the team to win a championship.

I don't think that would be a very competitive offer, and the salary levels would be untenable.

Perhaps. I think Jrue's value is intriguing, as every contending team would probably make an offer. He's signed through 2022 with a player option next year. That's not a crazy commitment. It's clear the ownership group would be willing to pay the tax for a contending team. The trade I proposed matches salary.

[youngcrev]

I cannot help but get excited over the prospect of having Jrue, Ben, Embiid, and Matisse on the floor at the same time. The defensive potential is simply staggering. Only team I see being able to outbid us is Miami by selling high on Herro/Robinson.

Jrich + 2021 FRP + Shake + Scott + Zhaire for Jrue

Pelicans get a first rounder in a stacked class. Josh Richardson seems like a great piece for New Orleans (helps majorly defensively -- can challenge me on that), not to mention a promising young player that can compete in the playoffs in Shake. They get to take on an athletic project in Zhaire, and a playoff piece in Scott.

Jrue partially solves the shot creation problem. Jrue also shoots historically .387 from 3 in the playoffs. Being able to roll out this lineup under Doc in the playoffs is absolutely a contender:
Ben - #21 (Terry/Anthony/Lewis)
Jrue - Furk
Matisse - GR3/Burks
Tobias - MLE
Embiid - Al

We'd have the most versatile defender in the league in Ben, the 2nd best defensive 5 in the league (behind Gobert) in Embiid, the best defensive guard in Jrue, and the best rookie defender in years in Matisse.

With a staff consisting of Cassell and Joerger I think we could muster up a top 7 offense with the improvement of scoring with Jrue instead of Jrich, and slight improvements across the roster (hopeful upgrade with Tobias under Rivers). I'm a firm believer in having Al as a 6-man under the Iggy framework that worked for GS, and I think his contract is actually quite trade-able after this year.

Finally, how storybook would it be to have the guy who started the process in Jrue come back to the team to win a championship.

I don't think that would be a very competitive offer, and the salary levels would be untenable.

Perhaps. I think Jrue's value is intriguing, as every contending team would probably make an offer. He's signed through 2022 with a player option next year. That's not a crazy commitment. It's clear the ownership group would be willing to pay the tax for a contending team. The trade I proposed matches salary.

I think if you trade for him, presumptively you'd do so with the idea of re-signing him to a big money deal the following off-season.

[davesilver]

I don't think that would be a very competitive offer, and the salary levels would be untenable.

Perhaps. I think Jrue's value is intriguing, as every contending team would probably make an offer. He's signed through 2022 with a player option next year. That's not a crazy commitment. It's clear the ownership group would be willing to pay the tax for a contending team. The trade I proposed matches salary.

I think if you trade for him, presumptively you'd do so with the idea of re-signing him to a big money deal the following off-season.

Right. Essentially we'd have to offload Tobias and/or Al to re-sign.

[76ciology]

I have a feeling Morey will be eyeing up Beal in a big way. Just seems like the kind of guy Daryl will want to grab to make a statement. The question is whether he could do it without losing Jo or Ben?? As for these trade ideas..WILL YALL EVER GET OVER JJ OR ROCO??? We won nothing when they were here but folks just cannot seem to let them go smh.

I dont think it’s Beal. Because beal is not a MVP caliber talent or a top 5 player.

Beal is more like a player Brand will trade

[Arsenal]

We won’t be trading for Beal. Morey likes to find guys who are undervalued. Beal is now probably overvalued.

Think a guy whose value is down. Like maybe Oladipo?

[ConstableChaos]

if you trade for cp3, how much would you give him for 2 year contract is he declines 44mill player option?

2/60mill?

[Arsenal]

Crazy thought:

Horford straight up for Andrew Wiggins.

Wiggins obviously has low value, but actually improved last season and will only be 25 this year.
Obviously a better fit. Morey will get him to jack more 3’s.

Horford meanwhile is a perfect C for the Warriors.

I could see Morey doing something like this for sure.

[76ciology]

Bulls Receives
Jarett Culver
Al Horford

Bulls starting 5
Coby White
Zach Lavine
Jarett Culver
Lauri Markanen
Al Horford
- two bigs who are elite 3pt shooter.

Wolves Receives
9th pick
Thybulle

Wolves Starting 5
DLo
Thybulle
Avidija
Okongwu
KAT
- Okongwu and KAT and Thybulle-Dlo for offense/defense pairing. Avdija as another playmaker for a possible big 3 of Avdija, Dlo and KAT.

Sixers Receives:
Otto Porter
Wendell Carter

Sixers Starting 5
Josh Richardson
Otto Porter
Tobias
Ben
Biid

- wendell Carter provide a promising big who can shoot and also back-up biid, poor man’s Al.
- cap relief

Or..


Sixers Receives
Buddy Hield
Wendell Carter

Sixers starting 5
Josh Richardson
Hield
Tobias
Ben
Biid

Kings Receives
Otto Porter (expiring)
21st pick

- cap relief for Hield who wants out while Porter can provide a year of 3&D

[freshie2]

Beal is still a very high end player and fills a major void. Amazing how narrow a view of his game is being portrayed. He was a stud a few years ago when the Wiz were viewed as the team on the rise, and is definitely the type of player you need to get in return if you were to trade Ben or Biid.

[76ciology]

Beal is still a very high end player and fills a major void. Amazing how narrow a view of his game is being portrayed. He was a stud a few years ago when the Wiz were viewed as the team on the rise, and is definitely the type of player you need to get in return if you were to trade Ben or Biid.

And that is exactly why you can’t expect Morey to go for Beal.

He’s just a “very high end player” that you have to trade for using Ben or Biid.

I can be wrong, but I’m the first guy on this board who proposed a Beal trade using Biid or Ben. And I can see that happening with EB.

But a guy like Morey would only trade Biid or Ben for a MVP caliber or top 5 player like Harden or Giannis. And if Bucks or Rox says no, he needs to have the option to attach assets to it and swing for the fences.

[76ciology]

One scenario im looking now is..

Trading Al and Tobi for attractive assets and cap relief. Which can help us in the short term. While also giving us the flexibility to trade the accumulated assets (with or without Biid and Ben) for a mvp caliber or top 5 talent.