Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Negrodamus]

Spurs trade aside, it's going to be the T'Wolves.

Owners are going to want success off the bat: just removed their GM. It's going to be a MASSIVE overpay for the three amigos narrative, the ability to keep KAT happy, and to have playoff potential. I still think there needs to be a third team though.

Will they be willing come off dlo? I mean ant is off the table....If they did trade dlo i dont think they will trade picks.

No, DLO is trash. I'd rather wait it out with Ben.

[Ballerhogger]

Spurs trade aside, it's going to be the T'Wolves.

Owners are going to want success off the bat: just removed their GM. It's going to be a MASSIVE overpay for the three amigos narrative, the ability to keep KAT happy, and to have playoff potential. I still think there needs to be a third team though.

Will they be willing come off dlo? I mean ant is off the table....If they did trade dlo i dont think they will trade picks.

No, DLO is trash. I'd rather wait it out with Ben.

well thats all the pieces they have really? You want beasley? and picks? thats going backwards on winning but you cant get thier future franchise player in ant man. If you did that would be biggest heist in nba history. Since hes projected to be a star.

[Negrodamus]

Will they be willing come off dlo? I mean ant is off the table....If they did trade dlo i dont think they will trade picks.

No, DLO is trash. I'd rather wait it out with Ben.

well thats all the pieces they have really? You want beasley? and picks? thats going backwards on winning but you cant get thier future franchise player in ant man. If you did that would be biggest heist in nba history. Since hes projected to be a star.

Owners are going to want success off the bat: just removed their GM. It's going to be a MASSIVE overpay for the three amigos narrative, the ability to keep KAT happy, and to have playoff potential. I still think there needs to be a third team though.

[Ballerhogger]

No, DLO is trash. I'd rather wait it out with Ben.

well thats all the pieces they have really? You want beasley? and picks? thats going backwards on winning but you cant get thier future franchise player in ant man. If you did that would be biggest heist in nba history. Since hes projected to be a star.

Owners are going to want success off the bat: just removed their GM. It's going to be a MASSIVE overpay for the three amigos narrative, the ability to keep KAT happy, and to have playoff potential. I still think there needs to be a third team though.

I dont see a third team right now, do you?

[Negrodamus]

well thats all the pieces they have really? You want beasley? and picks? thats going backwards on winning but you cant get thier future franchise player in ant man. If you did that would be biggest heist in nba history. Since hes projected to be a star.

Owners are going to want success off the bat: just removed their GM. It's going to be a MASSIVE overpay for the three amigos narrative, the ability to keep KAT happy, and to have playoff potential. I still think there needs to be a third team though.

I dont see a third team right now, do you?

Nope, which is why Doc Rivers was on TV yesterday like a hostage pleading for Ben to come to training camp.

Now when the Wizards start the season 0-10 and Beal has an existential crisis, then there will be a third team.

[SixthStreet]

Beal isn't going to ask out until he signs his 5 year max with the Wizards no matter how bad they suck.

[Skates]

It's not like we need a third team with Minnesota because we aren't a positional match, so unless it is a load of Minnesota draft picks going some place for a player we want the third team angle is really one that makes no sense. If they are insistent on adding to their 'big 3' of DLo, KAT and Edwards, they really have nothing to trade to us or a third team.

CJ would have been a great pick many drafts ago, but he is a smaller guard with some injury history entering his thirties and is not the kind of physical specimen Dame is, so I consider CJ a significant likelihood to drop off due to age and/or injury.

The build completely around Embiid's prime is a bit of mania. He can get hurt tomorrow and be out for a year or play a game where his athleticism wanes, but his skill level remains high and he isn't going to shrink. I am perfectly fine with getting a younger guy like Haliburton (my preferred return on Ben) as one of the main pieces. CJ really isn't a point guard and like Sexton you can't pair him with Seth in a backcourt because of defensive deficiencies and lack of size. Since his value is low right now and we could likely get better additional assets with him, I prefer a Cleveland trade for Sexton, Rubio, another player and draft picks, plus we know Cleveland has been hot for Simmons all along.

The Spurs trade is much harder for me to evaluate as Spurs system players sometimes produce more or drop off once they leave there.

[Negrodamus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/pu1pr4/jon_krawczynski_the_wolves_will_not_let_this/

They need to pull together and reset themselves and get their legs back underneath them before they can kinda go forward with any discussions regarding Ben Simmons. They will need to need to mend fences and repair some relationships that Rosas eroded but they still see Ben Simmons as a piece they would very much like to add to the Timberwolves. It should be noted that Sachin Gupta is an acquaintance of Morey and has a better relationship with him than Rosas and that numerous people in the Wolves org have a connection to someone in the 76ers. The only thing that has changed is who will do the negotiating.

[Ballerhogger]

It's not like we need a third team with Minnesota because we aren't a positional match, so unless it is a load of Minnesota draft picks going some place for a player we want the third team angle is really one that makes no sense. If they are insistent on adding to their 'big 3' of DLo, KAT and Edwards, they really have nothing to trade to us or a third team.

CJ would have been a great pick many drafts ago, but he is a smaller guard with some injury history entering his thirties and is not the kind of physical specimen Dame is, so I consider CJ a significant likelihood to drop off due to age and/or injury.

The build completely around Embiid's prime is a bit of mania. He can get hurt tomorrow and be out for a year or play a game where his athleticism wanes, but his skill level remains high and he isn't going to shrink. I am perfectly fine with getting a younger guy like Haliburton (my preferred return on Ben) as one of the main pieces. CJ really isn't a point guard and like Sexton you can't pair him with Seth in a backcourt because of defensive deficiencies and lack of size. Since his value is low right now and we could likely get better additional assets with him, I prefer a Cleveland trade for Sexton, Rubio, another player and draft picks, plus we know Cleveland has been hot for Simmons all along.

The Spurs trade is much harder for me to evaluate as Spurs system players sometimes produce more or drop off once they leave there.

if you give up maxey and thy I think you could Hailburton. I don’t think morey wants to give them up though

[Mik317]

yeah the fear of Embiid's prime dictating anything is foolish

I love the big oaf but short sighted moves is not the wave and is what got us into this spot in the first place. That doesn't mean tank or don't try either. I think Morey is overrated a bit but the one thing he did in Houston was constantly pivot and keep the franchise close or semi close. TMac and Yao broke down (still salty as TMac was my dude yo); he didn't bottom out; collected assets; got Harden...and then preceded to constantly tinker and try new ****...some work....some didn't but the Rockets were a meltdown away from beating the Warriors. Thats nothing to sneeze at and especially for this franchise who can't break the second round ceiling.

IDK if Sexton is that guy. I don't think any of the Spurs dudes are that either. Edwards is the longest of long shots so its not worth dreaming over (unless Morey has dirt on other members of the front office....and uses it as blackmail...jus saying Darryl...do what you gotta do). I like the idea of Haliburton but yeah...but blocking off those paths because its not instant gratification is not what I'd do either.

This team is not going to win it all this year anyway IMO. Even if we pulled a Dame or Beal out of our ass. So banking on the theoretical help of more spacing sans Ben and the growth of our youth and hopefully what ever we get for Ben as the buoy for either future success or future trades is probably our best bet. Time for the Wizard to earn his check and find the right path for that tho.

[Sportfan73]

Spurs trade aside, it's going to be the T'Wolves.

Owners are going to want success off the bat: just removed their GM. It's going to be a MASSIVE overpay for the three amigos narrative, the ability to keep KAT happy, and to have playoff potential. I still think there needs to be a third team though.

Will they be willing come off dlo? I mean ant is off the table....If they did trade dlo i dont think they will trade picks.

Not to mention, there’s no way that you actually believe if they trade Dlo they don’t have to give up ANY picks?
No, DLO is trash. I'd rather wait it out with Ben.

[mg]

No trade with Minny unless they give up Edwards.

[RedSalsa]

Forgot the Minnesota stuff Morey isn’t taking Dlo, or Beasley for Simmons. He’s wasaaaY too smart to do something that short sighted.

[the_process]

well thats all the pieces they have really? You want beasley? and picks? thats going backwards on winning but you cant get thier future franchise player in ant man. If you did that would be biggest heist in nba history. Since hes projected to be a star.

Owners are going to want success off the bat: just removed their GM. It's going to be a MASSIVE overpay for the three amigos narrative, the ability to keep KAT happy, and to have playoff potential. I still think there needs to be a third team though.

I dont see a third team right now, do you?

The third team is OKC when Minny agrees to include Edwards.

Edwards+ for Shai.

[Ballerhogger]

I dont see a third team right now, do you?

The third team is OKC when Minny agrees to include Edwards.

Edwards+ for Shai.

your not getting edwards for ben my man

[Negrodamus]

I dont see a third team right now, do you?

The third team is OKC when Minny agrees to include Edwards.

Edwards+ for Shai.

your not getting edwards for ben my man

Maybe we'll trade him for Talen Horton-Tucker and a protected first.

[kuclas]

DLo got exposed even more than Simmons during the nets Sixers playoff series 2019. He’s just not a 1,2, or even 3rd option.

I’m sure Morey already told Timberwolves no to any trade involving Russell so Minnesota had to pivot to other players and picks.

[elchengue20]

yeah the fear of Embiid's prime dictating anything is foolish

I love the big oaf but short sighted moves is not the wave and is what got us into this spot in the first place. That doesn't mean tank or don't try either. I think Morey is overrated a bit but the one thing he did in Houston was constantly pivot and keep the franchise close or semi close. TMac and Yao broke down (still salty as TMac was my dude yo); he didn't bottom out; collected assets; got Harden...and then preceded to constantly tinker and try new ****...some work....some didn't but the Rockets were a meltdown away from beating the Warriors. Thats nothing to sneeze at and especially for this franchise who can't break the second round ceiling.

IDK if Sexton is that guy. I don't think any of the Spurs dudes are that either. Edwards is the longest of long shots so its not worth dreaming over (unless Morey has dirt on other members of the front office....and uses it as blackmail...jus saying Darryl...do what you gotta do). I like the idea of Haliburton but yeah...but blocking off those paths because its not instant gratification is not what I'd do either.

This team is not going to win it all this year anyway IMO. Even if we pulled a Dame or Beal out of our ass. So banking on the theoretical help of more spacing sans Ben and the growth of our youth and hopefully what ever we get for Ben as the buoy for either future success or future trades is probably our best bet. Time for the Wizard to earn his check and find the right path for that tho.

That was 15 yrs ago....Morey aint waiting another 15 years. He and Doc came to win now. Also, his approach always was get two MVP calibeer players and 3+D guys. TMac + Yao, Harden + Dwight, Harden + CP3. When he got Harden he wasnt a 19 yrs kid with one decent season. He was a 23 year old with deep Playoff experience who was clearly a superstar just waiting for more playing time and shots.

He knows for sure having a player like a Embiid is a LUXURY. This franchise probably wont see another player like him in a long time. Hes a top 5 player who can realisticly be the better player in the league. You tell me the last time we had a player like that (maaaaaybe AI 20 yrs ago). We have to maximize his window, just like Milwakee did with Giannis. Guess what? When you have those kind of players win now is the only mode that exists. That doesnt mean making stupid short sighted trades, but also you dont have time to wait for a 19 yrs kid to develop.

Thats why hes asking the farm for BEN, if he just wanted a nice prospect and some picks he would have been traded a long time ago. Now hes probably waiting for a three way deal where he sends Edwards or some other kid for Lillard, Spida, Beal or maybe Lavine.

[Negrodamus]

Depending on what the Pelicans are trying to do moving forward, I could see a similar 3-team trade that I was mentioning, except Brandon Ingram going to us, BS to TWolves, and Bev/Beasley/McDaniels and a ton of unprotected picks/swaps to the Pelicans.

Pelicans have kind of a weird dynamic with Ingram and Zion. Ingram is just going to get in the way of the Zion scoring train with his largely ISO game. With Valanciunas and Bev coming off the books this summer, they'll have cap space, a ton of draft capital, great young prospect, and an MVP candidate. I think a small reset should be place for them because they have a longer timeline than the T'Wolves or Sixers and will be able to snag the next disgruntled star.

Obviously all conjecture and the Pelicans could absolutely love Brandon Ingram and his fit with Zion.

[BNelley24]

Amico says Nuggets are a sleeper. Wouldn’t Murray have to be involved?