The Tomjas Thread

[JRoy]

Dame is an old munchkin on an albatross contract. He played soft in the playoffs, was terrible in the Olympics, and looks like trash in the early going.

Soft in playoffs?

He got bumped out of the playoffs by the rightful MVPs team.

POR got beat but Lillard wasn’t the culprit.

Over 50 points and 10 assists in a playoff game. 12 3 pointers made in a playoff game.

Google is your friend.

[deep6er]

People are losing their minds. Lillard's having a tough start to his season. Oh well, don't want him, he's garbage. Fox isn't an all-league defender, don't want him. I guess Klay is too much of a risk coming off an injury. Is there anyone in the goddamn league who is good enough to be on this team? It would be a miracle if we could could get Lillard or Fox. Who is it that you'd rather have?

[zimpy27]

Dejounte Murray is a good base return for Ben.. he fits the mold of Ben but he's more active offensively. His contract is very nice too.

What would you want added to Murray?

[DCasey91]

Kyrie Irving is the Hail Mary but if you think about it he’s exactly the player to yolo a championship for us.

Might not even need to give up Ben in the end who knows. Nets front-court sucks (Harris hint hint )

Embiid even with Butler isn’t a great pnr big operator always been a floater since rookie season.

Irving don’t need no damn screen, pnr, whatevs dude can solo 30 by himself.

Embiid + Irving + Ben, now in some form or another mentality wise they are a basket case all of them. But playing wise my goodness that setup has all ability to run through everybody.

Say the cost is Harris and two late 1sts or one 1st and Springer for Uncle Drew. It makes me stop and think.

At least we can all die not wondering if the team is maxed out as best as it can be. It gives you a real chance that’s all you that can ask for in sports.

If the Nets say no straight away cool, but the proposition is there. Even with trading Ben it’s food for thought. Irving is that good when he’s on.

To add to that is his teammate by the name of Harden’s ongoing what if’s.

Both of them won’t cost a fortune (Butler/Leonard deal something like that).

[Roy The Natural]

Dame probably hasn't fallen off after 3 games

BUT there is a reality in which is comes fast when the fall off does happen.

But again all of this is moot unless he asks out anyway. He could be out there playing like me (trash) and Portland still wouldn't look to move him. Small Market teams can't afford to be seen as "disloyal" and as long as Dame wants to be there..he will.

Probably... however, it's hard to imagine that Lillard won't be useful player late into his 30's barring injury. Your jumpshot normally doesn't just straight up abandon you suddenly for eternity. It's normally an issue of getting space, and finishing at the rim that falls off first.

I find it hard to imagine a non devastating injury scenario where Lillard becomes useless nearly immediately. He's likely to age well as he gets his space primarily in the P&R and has a devastating jumper.

[phillynative]

...Meanwhile steph curry hasn't seemed to miss a beat..

[Jhawk03]

Dejounte Murray is a good base return for Ben.. he fits the mold of Ben but he's more active offensively. His contract is very nice too.

What would you want added to Murray?

I would pay hella money to see you and Morey in the same room discussing "a good base return" for Ben.

[DCasey91]

Harris, Thybulle, Milton and a 1st for Irving, Brown.

Springer & Reed for Finney - Smith plus a future 1st pick swap.

Go hell for leather bringing back Ben through mediation.

Starters:
Irving
Green
Finney - Smith
Simmons
Embiid

Depth:
Curry
Korkmaz
Brown
Niang
Drummond

WE ALL IN 2021-22 SUICIDE SQUAD SIXERS CHAMPS!

[Jhawk03]

Kyrie Irving is the Hail Mary but if you think about it he’s exactly the player to yolo a championship for us.

Might not even need to give up Ben in the end who knows. Nets front-court sucks (Harris hint hint )

Embiid even with Butler isn’t a great pnr big operator always been a floater since rookie season.

Irving don’t need no damn screen, pnr, whatevs dude can solo 30 by himself.

Embiid + Irving + Ben, now in some form or another mentality wise they are a basket case all of them. But playing wise my goodness that setup has all ability to run through everybody.

Say the cost is Harris and two late 1sts or one 1st and Springer for Uncle Drew. It makes me stop and think.

At least we can all die not wondering if the team is maxed out as best as it can be. It gives you a real chance that’s all you that can ask for in sports.

If the Nets say no straight away cool, but the proposition is there. Even with trading Ben it’s food for thought. Irving is that good when he’s on.

To add to that is his teammate by the name of Harden’s ongoing what if’s.

Both of them won’t cost a fortune (Butler/Leonard deal something like that).

I'm treating any Kyrie trade idea much like how Wolves are treating Ben trade ideas. Harris and two late 1sts is as good a deal for Nets as Beasley, McDaniels and two protected 1sts are for us giving up Ben.

[DCasey91]

Kyrie Irving is the Hail Mary but if you think about it he’s exactly the player to yolo a championship for us.

Might not even need to give up Ben in the end who knows. Nets front-court sucks (Harris hint hint )

Embiid even with Butler isn’t a great pnr big operator always been a floater since rookie season.

Irving don’t need no damn screen, pnr, whatevs dude can solo 30 by himself.

Embiid + Irving + Ben, now in some form or another mentality wise they are a basket case all of them. But playing wise my goodness that setup has all ability to run through everybody.

Say the cost is Harris and two late 1sts or one 1st and Springer for Uncle Drew. It makes me stop and think.

At least we can all die not wondering if the team is maxed out as best as it can be. It gives you a real chance that’s all you that can ask for in sports.

If the Nets say no straight away cool, but the proposition is there. Even with trading Ben it’s food for thought. Irving is that good when he’s on.

To add to that is his teammate by the name of Harden’s ongoing what if’s.

Both of them won’t cost a fortune (Butler/Leonard deal something like that).

I'm treating any Kyrie trade idea much like how Wolves are treating Ben trade ideas. Harris and two late 1sts is as good a deal for Nets as Beasley, McDaniels and two protected 1sts are for us giving up Ben.

Its not though. Harris is a vet, Beasley might be a criminal in due time for all we know. You’re banking on unproven talent and two theoretical picks.

Nets imho won’t just dismiss say Harris + Thybulle.

These Ben deals aren’t the thing to max out/get value hence why Morey has just sat back. There’s zero value in these trade scenarios. In fact you’re going backwards if you take a Wolves deal.

Ben for all of his flaws is still better than any player coming back. (Whether CJ, Brogdon etc etc.)

[DCasey91]

I have a sneaky suspicion he’ll play for us very soon. He’s a grown kid

So the child view means he most certainly will come back after a big tantrum. The tantrum is over and lines of communication have began again as we speak.

Hence mediation.

Work on the Irving/Harden deal before the Ben return



This is best case grand wizard 76D chess moves here.

If this works holy moly for everyone. We are peak ATG drama franchise but this will blow everything else out of the water. Forget Hinkie martydom, Bryan Collar, Ben No Shot, Brands Frankenstein, Embiid pick bum vanished, Butler truth, Fultz Shoulder, Smith dying, Ben no dunk, Ben tantrum this will top the lot.

Irving ascends!

[Samson]

Lol at one guy getting pissed and the other is a serial repeat offending Kyrie Irving try-hard. I am not sure how to say this nicely but NOBODY WANTS HIM BUT YOU DUDE. Take your **** back cause all your **** whack. Everybody N 2Gether Now.

[zimpy27]

Dejounte Murray is a good base return for Ben.. he fits the mold of Ben but he's more active offensively. His contract is very nice too.

What would you want added to Murray?

I would pay hella money to see you and Morey in the same room discussing "a good base return" for Ben.

Murray+Vassell+Poeltl+FRP seems fair Simmons+Milton

Philly get a 15-man roster and step out of tax. Trade on Poeltl to third team for a different piece.

[Stanford]

Is there anyone in the goddamn league who is good enough to be on this team?

Yeah, Fox

[Kobblehead]

People are losing their minds. Lillard's having a tough start to his season. Oh well, don't want him, he's garbage. Fox isn't an all-league defender, don't want him. I guess Klay is too much of a risk coming off an injury. Is there anyone in the goddamn league who is good enough to be on this team? It would be a miracle if we could could get Lillard or Fox. Who is it that you'd rather have?

It's not just that Lillard looks bad right now. It's that he's an old munchkin that already showed the same exact signs of falling off that Kemba showed before the cliff came for him. And he's on one of the worst contracts in the NBA (the ridiculous supermax nonsense).

[Mik317]

...Meanwhile steph curry hasn't seemed to miss a beat..

he took a year off. Lillard was out there being an iron man played 82 games and 50 minutes lol.

[Bum Adebayo]

People are losing their minds. Lillard's having a tough start to his season. Oh well, don't want him, he's garbage. Fox isn't an all-league defender, don't want him. I guess Klay is too much of a risk coming off an injury. Is there anyone in the goddamn league who is good enough to be on this team? It would be a miracle if we could could get Lillard or Fox. Who is it that you'd rather have?

It's not just that Lillard looks bad right now. It's that he's an old munchkin that already showed the same exact signs of falling off that Kemba showed before the cliff came for him. And he's on one of the worst contracts in the NBA (the ridiculous supermax nonsense).

Still a better playoffs player than Bum Simmons.

[76ciology]

Do you guys think Ben Simmons can’t play because of “mental health” issues? Or is it just being used as an excuse.

[sixerswillrule]

My position is that the Sixers should try their best to actually re-integrate Simmons with the intention of keeping him semi long term (2 season-ish). The way the team is playing offense is really suited for Simmons to maximize his impact. I think we are starting to develop the pieces that can work around his half court limitations in the playoffs.

We hold all our picks and have Thybulle as a trade chip. I wonder what a Curry, Thybulle a pick and 8-10mil in salary could get as an upgrade in the backcourt.

I know the bridges have been burned but maybe they can be rebuilt.

Fool me once, shame on you. You know the rest...The pieces that work around Simmons? What pieces? A 21 year old Maxey who has years of development left to go? The situation hasn't changed and Ben hasn't changed.

Even if those bridges can be rebuilt (HIGHLY doubt it), I don't think they should. The team needs to move on.

Does it suck that Ben stagnated as a player? Sure.
Does it suck the return we'll get for him now is much less than it would've been before? Sure.

But can't dwell on the past. Cut your losses and move on. Embiid is at his peak now, or hell maybe peaked last season. Make the most of what's left and that should be by trading Ben now for the best available offer.

[Mik317]

Do you guys think Ben Simmons can’t play because of “mental health” issues? Or is it just being used as an excuse.

As with most things the answer is probably somewhere in the middle.

I have no doubt Ben is not exactly thrilled to have to not only face his teammates but also face the fanbase after that playoff series and this offseason. I fully feel like Ben and his team just knew they would be elsewhere by now so it never even crossed their minds...hence all of the leaks prior to training camp in hopes of it happening sooner. Now Ben can either lose his money (something thanks to his spending habits, he can't exactly afford), hurt his friends he has on the team, and also have his reputation dragged through the mud or Face the music so to speak. As someone who struggles with anxiety, yeah that sounds like a **** ass situation lol. Neither option is good or easy..the easiest outcome would have been to be traded and just simply skip every Sixer game for the rest of your career or until the heat dies down. Morey said lolno to that tho.

BUT thats just me. Ben and Klutch has approached this terribly from the jump. If this mental illness thing is truly just a ploy to get paid, then they should have done so from the jump because now he is under a microscope and if it ever comes out he was faking this...then that is a death knell to his career almost. I'd say they'd have to be really stupid to think faking mental illness is a great idea but ...here we are.

That being said Ben def struggles with the mental side of thing. Whether or not its to the level of not being able to play idk...but dude has shown at the very least the fear of failing and looking bad.