Reassessment time: Your confidence in Morey right now?

Lou_23 · Post #121 » by **Lou_23** » Wed Aug 16, 2023 3:17 pm

VDT wrote:Of course, if his reputation with players is damaged due to the Harden saga he will have to be moved, but overall he has not been bad at all.

Nah, this about money and agents. Players dont know what the problem is with Harden, this is ridiculous.

GoSixersBro · Post #122 » by **GoSixersBro** » Wed Aug 16, 2023 3:32 pm

While I have never been a Morey simp, it is worth nothing how bizarre of personalities Simmons and Harden truly are and always have been. I think many across the league would instantly side with the players if instead of BS and JH it was high character guys who are universally respected. Why do we continually go after absolute weirdos? It's like groundhog's day with Bynum.

76ciology · Post #123 » by **76ciology** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 2:49 am

GoSixersBro wrote:While I have never been a Morey simp, it is worth nothing how bizarre of personalities Simmons and Harden truly are and always have been. I think many across the league would instantly side with the players if instead of BS and JH it was high character guys who are universally respected. Why do we continually go after absolute weirdos? It's like groundhog's day with Bynum.

Alot to most superstars are like that. Specially for post prime guys who kinda wants a big bag to take advantage of high spending owners

And for us, our path since day 1 is to build a superteam.

Negrodamus · Post #124 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:04 am

Yea but post prime guys who haven’t won are generally humble and have a hunger to win. I don’t know what Harden has a hunger for. Just retire if you want to party and do things on your terms.

Last pick · Post #125 » by **Last pick** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 7:33 am

Just 3 question: who made the trade to bring Harden in Philadelphia? Didn't Morey know Harden? So who is the first guilty for current situation?

76thBearCub · Post #126 » by **76thBearCub** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:56 am

GoSixersBro wrote:While I have never been a Morey simp, it is worth nothing how bizarre of personalities Simmons and Harden truly are and always have been. I think many across the league would instantly side with the players if instead of BS and JH it was high character guys who are universally respected. Why do we continually go after absolute weirdos? It's like groundhog's day with Bynum.

You'd think we'd be fun at parties but we aint. Mvp. Great

76thBearCub · Post #127 » by **76thBearCub** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:00 am

Just total failure. It's over

76thBearCub · Post #128 » by **76thBearCub** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:05 am

Not too much is really on Morey imo. He had very few cards to play when he walked in. We were already really tight.

Like to a stupid extent.

One_and_Done · Post #129 » by **One_and_Done** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:47 am

I don't even understand what counter Morey has to Harden coming in and dogging it. He's shown he'll be smart about it, so how do you counter that? You can't, given the circumstances.

Negrodamus · Post #130 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 10:56 am

One_and_Done wrote:I don't even understand what counter Morey has to Harden coming in and dogging it. He's shown he'll be smart about it, so how do you counter that? You can't, given the circumstances.

What does Harden gain from “dogging it” on the last year of his contract in his mid 30s? Sure he might get traded for lower value, but teams will be less likely to want to sign him to a big deal next offseason. I think Morey knows this.

One_and_Done · Post #131 » by **One_and_Done** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:12 am

Negrodamus wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:I don't even understand what counter Morey has to Harden coming in and dogging it. He's shown he'll be smart about it, so how do you counter that? You can't, given the circumstances.

What does Harden gain from “dogging it” on the last year of his contract in his mid 30s? Sure he might get traded for lower value, but teams will be less likely to want to sign him to a big deal next offseason. I think Morey knows this.

He forces Morey to trade him, which is what he wants, just like in Brooklyn and Houston. Both those places wanted to pay him more, but he isn't soley motivated by money it seems. Teams will know he's dogging it, and will hope he can return to form if they trade for him.

Jailblazers7 · Post #132 » by **Jailblazers7** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:41 am

An out of shape 34 year old with a significant hamstring injury history isn’t a great bet to ramp it up midseason. He already got burned by this once & another injury could accelerate his exit from the league. He’s playing with fire here imo & I hope he knows it.

Warfelg · Post #133 » by **Warfelg** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 1:20 pm

Odd take and unpopular around here, but my confidence is high on him right now. Extracting value is something he’s good at. He’s also not a GM that caves to players wishes on a whim. I would hate to see if this were some other GM how fast they would fold and would likely take the first offer that came along.

the_process · Post #134 » by **the_process** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 1:53 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:I don't even understand what counter Morey has to Harden coming in and dogging it. He's shown he'll be smart about it, so how do you counter that? You can't, given the circumstances.

What does Harden gain from “dogging it” on the last year of his contract in his mid 30s? Sure he might get traded for lower value, but teams will be less likely to want to sign him to a big deal next offseason. I think Morey knows this.

You are assuming Harden has thought that far ahead. I would argue he hasn't.

Dude still thinks he's the best player in the league. So he just shows up and gets a max. That's how it's been his whole career, up until last year. It has not sunk in to him yet, and may not ever, that he is on the backside of his career and paychecks are going to start to dwindle.

Rastas · Post #135 » by **Rastas** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 2:15 pm

Some may need to be updated here - Harden has career earnings of 400m (includes this coming season) and I believe more than that figure in other earnings outside basketball so whilst this spat with Morey started over $$$ I really don't think James cares that much about possibly lowering his match earnings in the future as some here think he does , it's true he parties hard but actually earns and saves alot more , he has more than set himself up for life already.
Also I believe Morey is not going to like any of the responses from GM's around the League , best bet for Philly would be to remove Morey and hope those GM's are ok working with his replacement.

Negrodamus · Post #136 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 2:28 pm

I'm actually fully on board with us trading him for DLO and Vanderbilt plus a first. DLO is entering his prime on a somewhat cap friendly contract. Maxey and DLO would work well on offense, could run a big lineup with Tobi at SF, Reed/Vanderbilt at PF and Embiid at C. The offense will return to less PnR but we’d actually have a PG unlike years past.

It would be annoying to give Harden what he wants (to be in LA) and would make them a serious contender, on paper. But the optics would look great for everyone involved even if we’re getting pennies on the dollar.

HardenGoat · Post #137 » by **HardenGoat** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 2:51 pm

I doubt he dogs it per say. But the locker room situation will be at a point Embiid will force Morey to trade him. I don't support Harden here if anyone is wondering

Warfelg · Post #138 » by **Warfelg** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:02 pm

HardenGoat wrote:I doubt he dogs it per say. But the locker room situation will be at a point Embiid will force Morey to trade him. I don't support Harden here if anyone is wondering

I do think this is where we end up. You got to think after the way Morey and ownership has always taken care of him he’s got some more respect for them. But I think if Harden isn’t gone by the season starting and he tries to create problems then Embiid will go to Morey, let him know he doesn’t give a crap about this season or the return, just get him out of here, that Harden would be gone by weeks end.

GoSixersBro · Post #139 » by **GoSixersBro** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:32 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I'm actually fully on board with us trading him for DLO and Vanderbilt plus a first. DLO is entering his prime on a somewhat cap friendly contract. Maxey and DLO would work well on offense, could run a big lineup with Tobi at SF, Reed/Vanderbilt at PF and Embiid at C. The offense will return to less PnR but we’d actually have a PG unlike years past.

It would be annoying to give Harden what he wants (to be in LA) and would make them a serious contender, on paper. But the optics would look great for everyone involved even if we’re getting pennies on the dollar.

I actually like this and I've never been more sour on DLo after these past Playoffs. I'm in a "buy low" mindset since the Sixers love buying high on washed players.

Embiid P · Post #140 » by **Embiid P** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 6:02 pm

GoSixersBro wrote:While I have never been a Morey simp, it is worth nothing how bizarre of personalities Simmons and Harden truly are and always have been. I think many across the league would instantly side with the players if instead of BS and JH it was high character guys who are universally respected. Why do we continually go after absolute weirdos? It's like groundhog's day with Bynum.

Kyrie to Philly confirmed.

But for real, this front office needs to stop drooling over talent and start emphasizing the importance of character a la the Eagles.

What is your confidence in Morey this summer?