Fantasy Trade Thread

[stormi]

He's an untouchable commodity, but I just saw people on the prior page misprofiling him. A John Collins comparison is wildly disrespectful. Nic Batum is more likewise Lauri Markkanen than John Collins is.

Thats why he’s cheap. If you want someone more like Lauri Markkanen, then that guy is Kelly Olynyk

I've always wanted Olynyk next to Embiid lol.

I think where we've gone wrong squad building wise in previous years is taking a formula that works and rather than focusing on profile upgrades, FO has wildly rearranged the pieces in desperate fashion. Embiid & Simmons saw early success surrounded with Redick, Saric and Covington. You turn Saric and Covington and some assets into Harris and Butler. I somewhat see the vision. Butler as Covington+++ and Harris as the more talented 'jumbo' stretch forward from Dario. That led us to our best team in the past seven seasons.

The next logical leap would have looking at finding a volume shooter to replace JJ that wouldn't get hunted in a playoff setting (Green, KCP type) and/or a lead guard that can score off the dribble and wouldn't turn into a pumpkin in the half court to replace Simmons.

We took a multitude of steps back flipping the board around, congesting space with the inclusion of Horford. Reducing shooting by turning JJ to Richardson. We wasted seasons overcomplicating the solution. Which is why I don't understand your hyperfixation with powerforwards right now and specifically Jerami Grant alongside Tobias Harris and Joel Embiid.

2021 we flip Horford into journeyman shooters it brought colossal relief to Joel Embiid's game. Inching back towards that 2018 formula, but maybe back where we started if not a few stages and draft picks behind. Seth ~= JJ, Green >= Covington.

Long story short, Markkanen is the Saric/Harris upgrade to the greatest extent. That's maximizing that profile. Getting the best shooter of the three by a mile. The best rim protector of the three. The best off ball scorer of the three. He led the NBA in points per touches last season. 25.6 PPG on 64.1 TS%.

Cheaper alternative would be Trey Murphy.

I don't mind OG at all, but I think we'd be lacking scoring.

I think all you have to do is watch Kelly Oubre as an entity and see how comfortably he works off of Embiid, Maxey and Harris. Crashes the glass hard. Makes himself available to shoot. Shoots on volume. Competes defensively. Is Lavine the player you can plug in as the upgrade of that profile?

That's the million dollar question I suppose.

[stormi]

LAL gets Batum and Shamet
PHI gets Wright
WSH gets Russell

DELON?

Bring.

[76ciology]

He's an untouchable commodity, but I just saw people on the prior page misprofiling him. A John Collins comparison is wildly disrespectful. Nic Batum is more likewise Lauri Markkanen than John Collins is.

Thats why he’s cheap. If you want someone more like Lauri Markkanen, then that guy is Kelly Olynyk

I've always wanted Olynyk next to Embiid lol.

I think where we've gone wrong squad building wise in previous years is taking a formula that works and rather than focusing on profile upgrades, FO has wildly rearranged the pieces in desperate fashion. Embiid & Simmons saw early success surrounded with Redick, Saric and Covington. You turn Saric and Covington and some assets into Harris and Butler. I somewhat see the vision. Butler as Covington+++ and Harris as the more talented 'jumbo' stretch forward from Dario. That led us to our best team in the past seven seasons.

The next logical leap would have looking at finding a volume shooter to replace JJ that wouldn't get hunted in a playoff setting (Green, KCP type) and/or a lead guard that can score off the dribble and wouldn't turn into a pumpkin in the half court to replace Simmons.

We took a multitude of steps back flipping the board around, congesting space with the inclusion of Horford. Reducing shooting by turning JJ to Richardson. We wasted seasons overcomplicating the solution. Which is why I don't understand your hyperfixation with powerforwards right now and specifically Jerami Grant alongside Tobias Harris and Joel Embiid.

2021 we flip Horford into journeyman shooters it brought colossal relief to Joel Embiid's game. Inching back towards that 2018 formula, but maybe back where we started if not a few stages and draft picks behind. Seth ~= JJ, Green >= Covington.

Long story short, Markkanen is the Saric/Harris upgrade to the greatest extent. That's maximizing that profile. Getting the best shooter of the three by a mile. The best rim protector of the three. The best off ball scorer of the three. He led the NBA in points per touches last season. 25.6 PPG on 64.1 TS%.

Cheaper alternative would be Trey Murphy.

I don't mind OG at all, but I think we'd be lacking scoring.

I think all you have to do is watch Kelly Oubre as an entity and see how comfortably he works off of Embiid, Maxey and Harris. Crashes the glass hard. Makes himself available to shoot. Shoots on volume. Competes defensively. Is Lavine the player you can plug in as the upgrade of that profile?

That's the million dollar question I suppose.

I have Jerami Grant playing Oubre’s role with 5-6 3pt attempts per game, a lot of cutting to the rim with better rim protection.

Then I have Lavine and Maxey playing the sharing the same role, where when the guy does not have the ball he then plays Meltons role as a spot up and shooter.

I really doubt we can acquire Markannen. There’s no reason why Jazz would trade him. While you have to go through Masai for OG, he can’t lose OG without overpaying because he somehow has to recuperate the value loss from FVV. He has the “i’d rather let him walk than you not overpaying mentality”.

Would I prefer Markannen or OG over Grant? Hell yes. But Grant is cheaper. Some even say we dont need to give up a first to acquire him.

I think Grant will work with Tobi and Biid. Specially when you have Maxey and Lavine at the 1&2 than Ben and Josh Richardson.

I agree with a lot of what you said except for that part. Even if you have..

Ben Simmons
Josh Richardson
Kevin Durant
Al Horford
Embiid

That would still be clunky. It’s almost totally of having the worst shooting backcourt in league history of Ben Simmons and Josh Richardson.

[76ciology]

I dont see any team trading for Jerami Grant or Zach Lavine, thats one of the biggest reason (aside from filling team need) why I prefer that duo among others with the assets we can trade.

We might save us some assets where these assets could be used as ammo for us to trade for an upgrade later on..

Maybe Zach Lavine, Jerami Grant and a couple of firsts for Giannis down the road?

[Kobblehead]

Swapping out Harris for Grant makes our roster almost unbeatable.

Can we trade for Grant and still sign O.G. this summer or does the money not work?

[Ben]

If I'm the Sixers, I'm keeping a close eye on the availability of a pair of guys from the 2020 draft on the last year of their rookie deal.

Patrick Williams and Jaden McDaniels

Both are athletic wings with established defense and shooting. Both want more money than they're worth so their current teams may be looking to move them to avoid having them on a bad contract.

Sixers don't have to make a future commitment to either player. They can afford to wait and see how it goes before making a decision.

Don’t watch much of Chicago but I do look over at the bulls board to see how they feel after losses. They hate their GM and feel he doesn’t draft well and Patrick Williams is a big part of that

Jaden McDaniels signed a 4/136 extension. Timberwolves know what they got and not letting him go anywhere.

Oh yeah, Bulls fans are sick of Pat. He's a tweener forward, not big/ strong/ long enough to play PF but not really quick enough to cover 3s reliably. And he says that he wants a big contract. Good 3P shooter but relatively low volume; not a good scorer otherwise. Quality-wise, reminds me a little of Tony Snell, a Bulls 1st round pick that I hated at the time (and for years afterward) b/c there were better guys available after him in the draft, but who eventually became a solid, journeyman 3D wing. Good defense, reasonably high volume and accurate 3P shooting, but also not very expensive until his prime years (when the Bucks probably overpaid him, 4 years $44M, which promptly dropped back to minimum money again when those 4 years were up.

If Snell were available instead of Williams, he'd be a potentially good fit b/c he'd stretch defenses and allow Maxey to guard the 1, and there'd be enough scoring with Tyrese, Oubre, Harris, and Embiid. But that's not the world we're living in.

But Snell could/would shoot a lot of 3s, and Williams hasn't (yet) shown the ability or drive to do that. And Snell was big/quick enough to play 2 or 3, whereas Williams isn't a great fit at either forward slot.

[Kobblehead]

I saw a stat somewhere that Jayson Tatum shoots just 36% against the Bulls when Patrick Williams plays.

6'7" 215 athlete that is a good shooter and a good defender. Exactly the guy we need for a series against Boston.

Cov and Batum can defend and hit shots, but they don't have the youthful athleticism to consistently stick with Tatum/Brown. That's where a guy like Williams presents his value.

[the_process]

LAL gets Batum and Shamet
PHI gets Wright
WSH gets Russell

DELON?

Bring.

Yes, Delon, whom I think would be awesome as the new Melton.

The existing Melton should be sold off IMO.

[Kobblehead]

My issue with Delon Wright is that he is very reluctant to shoot threes.

At the G spot, I think it's better to have a shooter/passer than a defender/passer.

[Arsenal]

I think we're currently $5.1m over the luxury tax line. It would make sense to get below it this year to push back the clock on the repeater tax. Plus Joshy needs a new yacht. So people should be looking for ways to shed at least that amount.

One idea is to swap Paul Reed for Andre Drummond. That puts us only $800k over the tax, easily doable with one more move. It also puts Chicago $2.6m over so they would certainly want to dump someone elsewhere, perhaps as a 3-way.

Would hate to lose BBall but Drum is probably better right now, and a better price for this year and probably future years if resigned also.

What other ideas to duck the tax?

[76ciology]

Yeah, i’d pass up on Pat Williams. I believe the guys around him wants him to get that $30+M-iish contract that is making him play weird. And he’s not THAT good to begin with. He’s more like Marvin Williams to me. Some good games, looks good on paper, physical specimen but he can’t be good consistency that he’s a natural role player but his draft stock wants him to believe otherwise.

[76ciology]

I think we're currently $5.1m over the luxury tax line. It would make sense to get below it this year to push back the clock on the repeater tax. Plus Joshy needs a new yacht. So people should be looking for ways to shed at least that amount.

One idea is to swap Paul Reed for Andre Drummond. That puts us only $800k over the tax, easily doable with one more move. It also puts Chicago $2.6m over so they would certainly want to dump someone elsewhere, perhaps as a 3-way.

Would hate to lose BBall but Drum is probably better right now, and a better price for this year and probably future years if resigned also.

What other ideas to duck the tax?

Does luxury tax and cap really matters?

We signed oubre with minimum. Lakers signed Woods with minimum.

You save money, then you end up flexibility to overpay a PJ Tucker and Danuel House type role player down the line.

Someone ask me what we do after we got Lavine and Jerami Grant. I say, we re-sign Tobi and Oubre. Then fill the rest with minimum guys.

You dont even need picks nowadays. Look at how many talented players in the 2021 are without extension. Bouknight, Joshua Primo, Kai Jones.. we even got to have KJ Martin as a throw in.

But yeah, if we need to save money, I’d do something with Paul Reed’s contract. I dont know why we paid him that much. 8M? I’d rather have Usman Garuba (another 2021 guy) or Bismack Biyombo with cheaper contracts. I also had Paul Reed as a throw in to the Lavine deal where we get Lavine and Drummond back.

[stormi]

Patrick Williams feels like the perfect budget OG target. Good shooting mechanics, huge hyperathletic elite defensive F. Shooting volume ticking up every year. FT% rising every season and now settling into the 80+% range.

I'll heed warning to 76ci and the Bulls fan above however.

[the_process]

Swapping out Harris for Grant makes our roster almost unbeatable.

Can we trade for Grant and still sign O.G. this summer or does the money not work?

OG would have to be willing to sign a 4-100 deal. He's not signing that.

They could trade for both, but then you're paying multiple 1sts plus 35M per for a guy who just isn't worth that.

[the_process]

I think we're currently $5.1m over the luxury tax line. It would make sense to get below it this year to push back the clock on the repeater tax. Plus Joshy needs a new yacht. So people should be looking for ways to shed at least that amount.

One idea is to swap Paul Reed for Andre Drummond. That puts us only $800k over the tax, easily doable with one more move. It also puts Chicago $2.6m over so they would certainly want to dump someone elsewhere, perhaps as a 3-way.

Would hate to lose BBall but Drum is probably better right now, and a better price for this year and probably future years if resigned also.

What other ideas to duck the tax?

Jan 1st:

CHA gets Lonzo and Russell
CHI gets Reed and Marcus Morris
LAL gets Batum and Korkmaz
PHI gets Hayward and Drummond

Puts the Sixers 2M under. Also finally grants Kork's trade request, and settles Batum's wife's objections

[the_process]

My issue with Delon Wright is that he is very reluctant to shoot threes.

At the G spot, I think it's better to have a shooter/passer than a defender/passer.

With Maxey specifically, I think the taller handler/defender is more important.
And it's not that Wright cannot shoot, he just doesn't.

[stormi]

My issue with Delon Wright is that he is very reluctant to shoot threes.

At the G spot, I think it's better to have a shooter/passer than a defender/passer.

With Maxey specifically, I think the taller handler/defender is more important.
And it's not that Wright cannot shoot, he just doesn't.

6'5 guard that controls the half court. Great passer, competent shooter, menace defensively. He's a less flashy but better shooting Alex Caruso. I've wanted him here for years, and we desperately need another ballhandler during non-Maxey minutes.

[PhillyFan11]

I say just go get Bogdanovic from the Pistons as long as the price is reasonable. A 40% 3 point shooter would be deadly on this roster. $20 mil this year so easy contract to match and only 2M of $20 guaranteed next year.

Batum looks like he ain’t tryna come. Might as well move House & Batum for him. They probably would want a first tho. Is a 34 yr old worth a first? Is he that much better then Marcus Morris?

Huh? I know it’s for the Pistons, but Bogdanovic is still averaging 20 a game. Not sure Morris could average 20 in the G League at this point. Not remotely comparable players.
Not saying Bogdanovic is great by any means, but players that can shoot 40% on 7+ 3’s a game don’t grow on trees. And I think the shots would only get easier playing with Embiid and Maxey.

[Kobblehead]

I like Monte Morris as our deadline PG addition.

Good shooter and good passer. Very cerebral player.

Detroit has plenty of PGs on their roster (Killian Hayes, Jaden Ivey, Marcus Sasser). Morris is basically a walking future 2nd for them.

[PhillyFan11]

Gary Trent Jr could be another good addition for relatively cheap. He seems to be struggling so far under the new Raps coach, but reuniting with Nurse should help. A 6’5 guard that’s an above average shooter and not bad on D would def help. Obviously depends on the cost, but he could be playing his way out of an extension right now so may not cost much.