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Jailblazers7 · Post #121 » by **Jailblazers7** » Fri Jun 13, 2025 2:22 pm

I think all FA (Grimes included) will get surprisingly low contract offers this offseason. Every team is now fully realizing the impact of the new CBA so I expect the middle class of NBA players to get squeezed starting this summer.

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #122 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Fri Jun 13, 2025 2:32 pm

I expect him to be our lead wing/guard detender while hitting his shoots at a high clip. Our vet 3 and D glue guy.

Arsenal · Post #123 » by **Arsenal** » Thu Jun 19, 2025 6:27 pm

We already got our STAR SG right here...

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youngcrev · Post #124 » by **youngcrev** » Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:06 pm

The more I think about it, the lower the number my gets on him. 10-12M annually is what I'd be comfortable with right now. Tank stats be damned.

I think he's just a solid rotation piece that could be a spot starter if they want to bring McCain off the bench. But if we end up with a guard at 3, I just don't see that big of a role for him, and don't want to be hamstrung with a large deal for mid role player without a big role to play, particularly with our cap situation as rough as it is.

mjkvol · Post #125 » by **mjkvol** » Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:42 pm

youngcrev wrote:The more I think about it, the lower the number my gets on him. 10-12M annually is what I'd be comfortable with right now. Tank stats be damned.

I think he's just a solid rotation piece that could be a spot starter if they want to bring McCain off the bench. But if we end up with a guard at 3, I just don't see that big of a role for him, and don't want to be hamstrung with a large deal for mid role player without a big role to play, particularly with our cap situation as rough as it is.

Agree. If we take a guard at #3 (or #6, #8), I don't see the point of bringing Grimes back. We aren't winning now, so let's focus on areas of greater need at that price point, like wings and bigs.

M2J · Post #126 » by **M2J** » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:58 pm

mjkvol wrote:
youngcrev wrote:The more I think about it, the lower the number my gets on him. 10-12M annually is what I'd be comfortable with right now. Tank stats be damned.

I think he's just a solid rotation piece that could be a spot starter if they want to bring McCain off the bench. But if we end up with a guard at 3, I just don't see that big of a role for him, and don't want to be hamstrung with a large deal for mid role player without a big role to play, particularly with our cap situation as rough as it is.

Agree. If we take a guard at #3 (or #6, #8), I don't see the point of bringing Grimes back. We aren't winning now, so let's focus on areas of greater need at that price point, like wings and bigs.

I think if you get him for under 20 million. He's a pump and dump player. Start him, give him opportunity as all teams do with players they give money to.... If they're looking like a contender with him.. Evaluate his importance to that. If he's not able to truly star in whatever role is given. Try to trade him, but it must be a deal that can be traded... Even traded by the deadline.

They may need to enter the season over the apron, but getting rid of him or Gershon are bigger possibilities on fair deals long term would obviously be in play to get under the cap as Morey has done the last 2 deadlines

youngcrev · Post #127 » by **youngcrev** » Sun Jun 22, 2025 8:01 pm

I wonder if there would be any S&T market for him. I'd lean towards probably not, at least in terms of getting us anything we'd want.

mjkvol · Post #128 » by **mjkvol** » Sun Jun 22, 2025 10:23 pm

M2J wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
youngcrev wrote:The more I think about it, the lower the number my gets on him. 10-12M annually is what I'd be comfortable with right now. Tank stats be damned.

I think he's just a solid rotation piece that could be a spot starter if they want to bring McCain off the bench. But if we end up with a guard at 3, I just don't see that big of a role for him, and don't want to be hamstrung with a large deal for mid role player without a big role to play, particularly with our cap situation as rough as it is.

Agree. If we take a guard at #3 (or #6, #8), I don't see the point of bringing Grimes back. We aren't winning now, so let's focus on areas of greater need at that price point, like wings and bigs.

I think if you get him for under 20 million. He's a lump a dump player. Start him, give him opportunity as all teams do with players they give money to.... If they're looking like a contender with him.. Evaluate his importance to that. If he's not able to truly star in whatever role is given. Try to trade him, but it must be a deal that can be traded... Even traded by the deadline.

They may need to enter the season over the apron, but getting rid of him or Gershon are bigger possibilities on fair deals long term would obviously be in play to get under the cap as Morey has done the last 2 deadlines

Excellent points. Sign him at a tradeable number and if he is working out, great, but if the season goes south he becomes pump and dump. I'm good with that.

youngcrev · Post #129 » by **youngcrev** » Sun Jun 22, 2025 10:34 pm

mjkvol wrote:
M2J wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
Agree. If we take a guard at #3 (or #6, #8), I don't see the point of bringing Grimes back. We aren't winning now, so let's focus on areas of greater need at that price point, like wings and bigs.

I think if you get him for under 20 million. He's a lump a dump player. Start him, give him opportunity as all teams do with players they give money to.... If they're looking like a contender with him.. Evaluate his importance to that. If he's not able to truly star in whatever role is given. Try to trade him, but it must be a deal that can be traded... Even traded by the deadline.

They may need to enter the season over the apron, but getting rid of him or Gershon are bigger possibilities on fair deals long term would obviously be in play to get under the cap as Morey has done the last 2 deadlines

Excellent points. Sign him at a tradeable number and if he is working out, great, but if the season goes south he becomes pump and dump. I'm good with that.

So we're just assuming the journeyman role player 2 guard is going to automatically be a positive asset on a deal paying him a significant amount of money?

That's my hesitation. There's definitely a world where that's bad money, on a team already filled with it. I mean... We're probably about to give up a minor asset to dump Drummond on an expiring 5M deal. There's considerable downside to a multi year deal for 4x that annually.

youngcrev · Post #130 » by **youngcrev** » Sun Jun 22, 2025 11:05 pm

Paying him more than the full MLE would be malpractice. Just bidding against yourself. If the Nets want to throw big money at him, have at it. I'm good with hurting a team in the division by being dumb with their money.

M2J · Post #131 » by **M2J** » Sun Jun 22, 2025 11:40 pm

youngcrev wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
M2J wrote:
I think if you get him for under 20 million. He's a lump a dump player. Start him, give him opportunity as all teams do with players they give money to.... If they're looking like a contender with him.. Evaluate his importance to that. If he's not able to truly star in whatever role is given. Try to trade him, but it must be a deal that can be traded... Even traded by the deadline.

They may need to enter the season over the apron, but getting rid of him or Gershon are bigger possibilities on fair deals long term would obviously be in play to get under the cap as Morey has done the last 2 deadlines

Excellent points. Sign him at a tradeable number and if he is working out, great, but if the season goes south he becomes pump and dump. I'm good with that.

So we're just assuming the journeyman role player 2 guard is going to automatically be a positive asset on a deal paying him a significant amount of money?

That's my hesitation. There's definitely a world where that's bad money, on a team already filled with it. I mean... We're probably about to give up a minor asset to dump Drummond on an expiring 5M deal. There's considerable downside to a multi year deal for 4x that annually.

If the nets have given more. They just have to match. I'm not saying bid against yourself.

Plus I don't assume that he's going to be a valuable player. He was damn near a star when given the ball and the opportunity to just score. If he can't do that within reason. Put him in a position to where he can get empty points again and trade him. But I trust Morey to have a better idea of what fair value for him is. I don't think I would go over 20 million for sure.... Even if it's not next year. I always feel with this current salary cap a 20 million player is a tradable player... Even more so as the cap goes up.

youngcrev · Post #132 » by **youngcrev** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 12:39 am

M2J wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
Excellent points. Sign him at a tradeable number and if he is working out, great, but if the season goes south he becomes pump and dump. I'm good with that.

So we're just assuming the journeyman role player 2 guard is going to automatically be a positive asset on a deal paying him a significant amount of money?

That's my hesitation. There's definitely a world where that's bad money, on a team already filled with it. I mean... We're probably about to give up a minor asset to dump Drummond on an expiring 5M deal. There's considerable downside to a multi year deal for 4x that annually.

If the nets have given more. They just have to match. I'm not saying bid against yourself.

Plus I don't assume that he's going to be a valuable player. He was damn near a star when given the ball and the opportunity to just score. If he can't do that within reason. Put him in a position to where he can get empty points again and trade him. But I trust Morey to have a better idea of what fair value for him is. I don't think I would go over 20 million for sure.... Even if it's not next year. I always feel with this current salary cap a 20 million player is a tradable player... Even more so as the cap goes up.

I'm not that worried because I don't think Morey actually would give him that type of money, I'm just shocked anyone here would be comfortable with it.

Giving him a 20M deal would be ridiculously limiting for what this team could do capwise. And almost assuredly would be a negative value contract if they tried to trade it, even if it's movable.

Personally, I'm hoping for S&T interest, assuming they end up with a guard in the draft.

MVP1992 · Post #133 » by **MVP1992** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:00 am

mjkvol · Post #134 » by **mjkvol** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:19 am

youngcrev wrote:
M2J wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
So we're just assuming the journeyman role player 2 guard is going to automatically be a positive asset on a deal paying him a significant amount of money?

That's my hesitation. There's definitely a world where that's bad money, on a team already filled with it. I mean... We're probably about to give up a minor asset to dump Drummond on an expiring 5M deal. There's considerable downside to a multi year deal for 4x that annually.

If the nets have given more. They just have to match. I'm not saying bid against yourself.

Plus I don't assume that he's going to be a valuable player. He was damn near a star when given the ball and the opportunity to just score. If he can't do that within reason. Put him in a position to where he can get empty points again and trade him. But I trust Morey to have a better idea of what fair value for him is. I don't think I would go over 20 million for sure.... Even if it's not next year. I always feel with this current salary cap a 20 million player is a tradable player... Even more so as the cap goes up.

I'm not that worried because I don't think Morey actually would give him that type of money, I'm just shocked anyone here would be comfortable with it.

Giving him a 20M deal would be ridiculously limiting for what this team could do capwise. And almost assuredly would be a negative value contract if they tried to trade it, even if it's movable.

Personally, I'm hoping for S&T interest, assuming they end up with a guard in the draft.

A S&T off his performance last season was my initial thought, and if Morey can bring back some value doing that, it is still probably the best way to proceed. Despite the "wide open East" talk, I still don't see any way this team seriously contends next season, and the idea of bringing Grimes back at $12-15 mil makes him a very tradeable commodity.

I know Morey has never operated this way, but to me all the planning should be with '26-'27 and beyond in mind. We can pretend that Embiid will return to form and George will turn back the clock, but it's highly unlikely to say the very least. Next season needs to be a "clear the decks and see what we have with the kids" kind of season. My greatest fear after the Haliburton injury is that Morey will see a window to compete next season and trade #3 for immediate help.

youngcrev · Post #135 » by **youngcrev** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 2:08 pm

mjkvol wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
M2J wrote:
If the nets have given more. They just have to match. I'm not saying bid against yourself.

Plus I don't assume that he's going to be a valuable player. He was damn near a star when given the ball and the opportunity to just score. If he can't do that within reason. Put him in a position to where he can get empty points again and trade him. But I trust Morey to have a better idea of what fair value for him is. I don't think I would go over 20 million for sure.... Even if it's not next year. I always feel with this current salary cap a 20 million player is a tradable player... Even more so as the cap goes up.

I'm not that worried because I don't think Morey actually would give him that type of money, I'm just shocked anyone here would be comfortable with it.

Giving him a 20M deal would be ridiculously limiting for what this team could do capwise. And almost assuredly would be a negative value contract if they tried to trade it, even if it's movable.

Personally, I'm hoping for S&T interest, assuming they end up with a guard in the draft.

A S&T off his performance last season was my initial thought, and if Morey can bring back some value doing that, it is still probably the best way to proceed. Despite the "wide open East" talk, I still don't see any way this team seriously contends next season, and the idea of bringing Grimes back at $12-15 mil makes him a very tradeable commodity.

I know Morey has never operated this way, but to me all the planning should be with '26-'27 and beyond in mind. We can pretend that Embiid will return to form and George will turn back the clock, but it's highly unlikely to say the very least. Next season needs to be a "clear the decks and see what we have with the kids" kind of season. My greatest fear after the Haliburton injury is that Morey will see a window to compete next season and trade #3 for immediate help.

When you don't own your own pick, you're stuck with Paul George and Joel Embiid's contracts, and, as you mentioned, the East is wide open, I don't think there's anyway they look at this as a throw away season going into it.

That doesn't mean you are pushing pieces in that sacrifice your future in an effort to win now. But I do think you build your roster with that in mind.

I don't think they prioritize now at the expense of the future, but like... If you can get a young guy that fits Maxey's prime? Sure. Give me a Trey Murphy or a Tari Eason or a Herb Jones (the guys we've constantly brought up).

You don't burn assets to win now at expense of the future, but you absolutely have to position yourself to be competitive on the off chance Embiid is actually good to go.

It's not like they have stuff to sell at this point anyway.

Arsenal · Post #136 » by **Arsenal** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:17 am

Now that Nets are taking on salary in trades, we're in the drivers seat for resigning Grimes at a good number.

I expect year 1 at $16m, just above the MLE as a token of respect.

76thBearCub · Post #137 » by **76thBearCub** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:41 am

I'm not really sure how he factors in at any particular salary if we draft a guard

Arsenal · Post #138 » by **Arsenal** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:06 am

76thBearCub wrote:I'm not really sure how he factors in at any particular salary if we draft a guard

He factors in as our starting SG. Unlike VJ Edgecombe, Grimes can shoot, pass, and handle along with play D.

Put some respect on his name you haters.

sodmoraes · Post #139 » by **sodmoraes** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:11 am

Besides VJ greater athletic abilities, i think Grimes is a decent comp for him.

76thBearCub · Post #140 » by **76thBearCub** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:13 am

Arsenal wrote:
76thBearCub wrote:I'm not really sure how he factors in at any particular salary if we draft a guard

He factors in as our starting SG. Unlike VJ Edgecombe, Grimes can shoot, pass, and handle along with play D.

Put some respect on his name you haters.

Yea I ain't in on this one. I'll root for who's on the team and voice my unregarded opinion here.