Around the league 2016-2017

LongLiveHinkie · Post #1201 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Wed May 3, 2017 3:19 am

It's doubtful they still get by the Wizards, but if people want to be different and keep doubting Lebron then keep doubting him. He owns the east until proven otherwise. I'd spot Boston 3 games and 10 ppg and they still wouldn't cover vs the Cavs.

shawn_hemp · Post #1202 » by **shawn_hemp** » Wed May 3, 2017 3:21 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:People say you can't win a title with a 5'9 lead player. He said you can. There is no proof you can't. I think the Celtics will beat the Cavs and go to the title series. The Celtics are peaking at the right time. Bradley is the best man to man defender I have ever seen. They play great defense and can score a lot and make 3s.

I think what most everyone on this board said was that you can't win a title with a 5'9 guard who doesn't play defense and isn't surrounded by the right supporting cast.

No idea why the Wizards kept switching Morris onto IT late in the game, he clearly was a mismatch.

To think the Celtics will beat Cleveland is insane IMO.

Crowder can't stop LeBron, but let's just say he did by some miracle

IT can't stop Kyrie, but they'll probably put Bradley on Kyrie so I'll give you that

So then JR Smith drops a 20 piece on you while Tristan Thompson probably grabs more ORebs than Horford gets DRebs

No chance Boston beats Cleveland, and I'll still take the Wizards in 7 which is what I voted for at the start of the series

Unbreakable99 · Post #1203 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed May 3, 2017 3:24 am

eagereyez wrote:Lebron will slap the Celtics like he always does.

Nah. Not this time. The Celtics match up well with the Cavs. The Cavs don't play good defense. The Celtics will make the Cavs work for tougher shots and the Celtics can score with them. IT can light them up. I think it's pretty safe to say the Celtics will beat the Cavs.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1204 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed May 3, 2017 3:24 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:It's doubtful they still get by the Wizards, but if people want to be different and keep doubting Lebron then keep doubting him. He owns the east until proven otherwise. I'd spot Boston 3 games and 10 ppg and they still wouldn't cover vs the Cavs.

Celtics will prove otherwise. Celtics are playing their beatnik ball.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #1205 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Wed May 3, 2017 3:26 am

Barring some exceptions, I pick the team with the best player in the series, unless the team that doesn't have the best player has a FAR superior supporting cast. Which is why the Wiz probably still win the series. They played game 1 without Morris for a big chunk of it and then tonight or whatever reason Beal was a complete no show. This will be 2-2 headed back to Boston. They call way too many foul calls for Thomas though. Not sure if they feel bad for him because of what happened to his sister or wanna help him out because he's small or whatever, but man he gets a lot of cheapies.

But Wall is the best player in the series and they actually have a better supporting cast and I'd argue a better coach, although I'm no fan of Scott Brooks, but he's better than Stevens(who isn't). Then the Cavs it's not even really close. The question is can anyone beat the Warriors out west, but the east is a formality at this point.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1206 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed May 3, 2017 3:26 am

shawn_hemp wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:People say you can't win a title with a 5'9 lead player. He said you can. There is no proof you can't. I think the Celtics will beat the Cavs and go to the title series. The Celtics are peaking at the right time. Bradley is the best man to man defender I have ever seen. They play great defense and can score a lot and make 3s.

I think what most everyone on this board said was that you can't win a title with a 5'9 guard who doesn't play defense and isn't surrounded by the right supporting cast.

No idea why the Wizards kept switching Morris onto IT late in the game, he clearly was a mismatch.

To think the Celtics will beat Cleveland is insane IMO.

Crowder can't stop LeBron, but let's just say he did by some miracle

IT can't stop Kyrie, but they'll probably put Bradley on Kyrie so I'll give you that

So then JR Smith drops a 20 piece on you while Tristan Thompson probably grabs more ORebs than Horford gets DRebs

No chance Boston beats Cleveland, and I'll still take the Wizards in 7 which is what I voted for at the start of the series

The Celtics aren't like a better version of the 2001 Sixers. They just have better scorers to complement IT. It's not crazy at all to say the Celtics will beat the Cavs. Stop looking at the past and look at what's going on now.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #1207 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Wed May 3, 2017 3:27 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:It's doubtful they still get by the Wizards, but if people want to be different and keep doubting Lebron then keep doubting him. He owns the east until proven otherwise. I'd spot Boston 3 games and 10 ppg and they still wouldn't cover vs the Cavs.

Celtics will prove otherwise. Celtics are playing their beatnik ball.

lol

Unbreakable99 · Post #1208 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed May 3, 2017 3:28 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:Barring some exceptions, I pick the team with the best player in the series, unless the team that doesn't have the best player has a FAR superior supporting cast. Which is why the Wiz probably still win the series. They played game 1 without Morris for a big chunk of it and then tonight or whatever reason Beal was a complete no show. This will be 2-2 headed back to Boston. They call way too many foul calls for Thomas though. Not sure if they feel bad for him because of what happened to his sister or wanna help him out because he's small or whatever, but man he gets a lot of cheapies.

But Wall is the best player in the series and they actually have a better supporting cast and I'd argue a better coach, although I'm no fan of Scott Brooks, but he's better than Stevens(who isn't). Then the Cavs it's not even really close. The question is can anyone beat the Warriors out west, but the east is a formality at this point.

Celtics play better defense than the Wizards. That's why I say the Sixers should build like them. They have very good wing defenders and they have the best one on one defender ever in Bradley.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #1209 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Wed May 3, 2017 3:30 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:Barring some exceptions, I pick the team with the best player in the series, unless the team that doesn't have the best player has a FAR superior supporting cast. Which is why the Wiz probably still win the series. They played game 1 without Morris for a big chunk of it and then tonight or whatever reason Beal was a complete no show. This will be 2-2 headed back to Boston. They call way too many foul calls for Thomas though. Not sure if they feel bad for him because of what happened to his sister or wanna help him out because he's small or whatever, but man he gets a lot of cheapies.

But Wall is the best player in the series and they actually have a better supporting cast and I'd argue a better coach, although I'm no fan of Scott Brooks, but he's better than Stevens(who isn't). Then the Cavs it's not even really close. The question is can anyone beat the Warriors out west, but the east is a formality at this point.

Celtics play better defense than the Wizards. That's why I say the Sixers should build like them. They have very good wing defenders and they have the best one on one defender ever in Bradley.

You're doing this trolling thing all wrong, it needs some work. Step back, regroup and work a bit on your delivery. It'll take some time to master, but you'll get the hang of it, I promise.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1210 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed May 3, 2017 3:37 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:Barring some exceptions, I pick the team with the best player in the series, unless the team that doesn't have the best player has a FAR superior supporting cast. Which is why the Wiz probably still win the series. They played game 1 without Morris for a big chunk of it and then tonight or whatever reason Beal was a complete no show. This will be 2-2 headed back to Boston. They call way too many foul calls for Thomas though. Not sure if they feel bad for him because of what happened to his sister or wanna help him out because he's small or whatever, but man he gets a lot of cheapies.

But Wall is the best player in the series and they actually have a better supporting cast and I'd argue a better coach, although I'm no fan of Scott Brooks, but he's better than Stevens(who isn't). Then the Cavs it's not even really close. The question is can anyone beat the Warriors out west, but the east is a formality at this point.

Celtics play better defense than the Wizards. That's why I say the Sixers should build like them. They have very good wing defenders and they have the best one on one defender ever in Bradley.

You're doing this trolling thing all wrong, it needs some work. Step back, regroup and work a bit on your delivery. It'll take some time to master, but you'll get the hang of it, I promise.

I'm not trolling. What are you talking about? I'm looking at how all the teams are playing. How can you make it seem like it's trolling saying the number one seed can go to the finals? Huh?

76ciology · Post #1211 » by **76ciology** » Wed May 3, 2017 5:19 am

I still don't know why teams wont just abuse IT at the post. Is it because teams are just completely going away from the "unassisted FG" game?

If I'm the wiz, I'll abuse IT to death. Hopefully get him into foul trouble or wear him down. Then Gortat needs to step out and challenge the shot. Let IT drive, Wiz's wings got the length to bother his drives in the paint.

Ericb5 · Post #1212 » by **Ericb5** » Wed May 3, 2017 12:18 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
Celtics play better defense than the Wizards. That's why I say the Sixers should build like them. They have very good wing defenders and they have the best one on one defender ever in Bradley.

You're doing this trolling thing all wrong, it needs some work. Step back, regroup and work a bit on your delivery. It'll take some time to master, but you'll get the hang of it, I promise.

I'm not trolling. What are you talking about? I'm looking at how all the teams are playing. How can you make it seem like it's trolling saying the number one seed can go to the finals? Huh?

You aren't saying that they can go to the finals. You are saying that they WILL go to the finals. That's why we play the games, but I think the Cavs beat them in 5 games.

There is no denying Lebron this year in the east at least, and I think he wins the title again.

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Unbreakable99 · Post #1213 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed May 3, 2017 12:22 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:
You're doing this trolling thing all wrong, it needs some work. Step back, regroup and work a bit on your delivery. It'll take some time to master, but you'll get the hang of it, I promise.

I'm not trolling. What are you talking about? I'm looking at how all the teams are playing. How can you make it seem like it's trolling saying the number one seed can go to the finals? Huh?

You aren't saying that they can go to the finals. You are saying that they WILL go to the finals. That's why we play the games, but I think the Cavs beat them in 5 games.

There is no denying Lebron this year in the east at least, and I think he wins the title again.

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Im saying I think the Celtics will beat the Cavs. And? Others say they think the Cavs will go to the finals. They aren't saying they think they can. And you just said you think the Cavs will win. How are you different from me? The Celtics are playing good ball and have a real star in IT.

76ciology · Post #1214 » by **76ciology** » Wed May 3, 2017 12:44 pm

Jazz played it right, just don't have the offense to win it. Probably can steal a game if they continue to play this way. Slow down the pace and play with composure to weather any storm by GSW runs.

shawn_hemp · Post #1215 » by **shawn_hemp** » Wed May 3, 2017 12:52 pm

Just like pretty much every LeBron team, the daggers aren't going to come from LeBron

The Celtics will have to put Smart or Bradley on Kyrie.

Let's just say Crowder keeps LeBron from driving to the net, he will just kick it out to JR Smith or Korver for 3s all game and IT will have to do his cute little jump contest and then turn around and watch Horford get the only rebounds he's capable of, picking the ball up after a basket.

And god forbid IT has to switch out onto Kyrie. That would get ugly fast

IT would have to average about 60pts for the Celtics to beat the Cavs IMO, the Cavs match up pretty well with the Celtics because they matchup pretty well with every team. And I haven't even said Kevin Love's name yet

I appreciate the difference of opinion, but there is absolutely no way the Celtics beat the Cavs in a 7 game series (with or without home court)

Seen this act before (Pacers, Hawks) with #1 seeds being the "LeBron Killers"

Ok dude... I'll wait...

Unbreakable99 · Post #1216 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed May 3, 2017 1:07 pm

shawn_hemp wrote:Just like pretty much every LeBron team, the daggers aren't going to come from LeBron

The Celtics will have to put Smart or Bradley on Kyrie.

Let's just say Crowder keeps LeBron from driving to the net, he will just kick it out to JR Smith or Korver for 3s all game and IT will have to do his cute little jump contest and then turn around and watch Horford get the only rebounds he's capable of, picking the ball up after a basket.

And god forbid IT has to switch out onto Kyrie. That would get ugly fast

IT would have to average about 60pts for the Celtics to beat the Cavs IMO, the Cavs match up pretty well with the Celtics because they matchup pretty well with every team. And I haven't even said Kevin Love's name yet

I appreciate the difference of opinion, but there is absolutely no way the Celtics beat the Cavs in a 7 game series (with or without home court)

Seen this act before (Pacers, Hawks) with #1 seeds being the "LeBron Killers"

Ok dude... I'll wait...

The difference between the Hawks and Pacers vs the Celtics is the Celtics have multiple good wing defenders who can make lebron and Kyrie work harder for shots. Crowder Bradley Smart Brown is about as good as you can get on wing defense. IT is a certified star capable of carrying the offense and scoring over 30 any night. The Celtics aren't just defense and have to slow the game down to have a chance. They can score a lot of points which is key to beating Cleveland since they are great at scoring. Celtics have a huge advantage on defense. They can put the clamps down unlike Cleveland this year. Boston can easily score over 115 points in any game. The Celtics match up very well with Cleveland.

TTP · Post #1217 » by **TTP** » Wed May 3, 2017 1:31 pm

I'll avatar bet the Cavs against anyone that wants to take the Celtics.

shawn_hemp · Post #1218 » by **shawn_hemp** » Wed May 3, 2017 1:42 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
shawn_hemp wrote:Just like pretty much every LeBron team, the daggers aren't going to come from LeBron

The Celtics will have to put Smart or Bradley on Kyrie.

Let's just say Crowder keeps LeBron from driving to the net, he will just kick it out to JR Smith or Korver for 3s all game and IT will have to do his cute little jump contest and then turn around and watch Horford get the only rebounds he's capable of, picking the ball up after a basket.

And god forbid IT has to switch out onto Kyrie. That would get ugly fast

IT would have to average about 60pts for the Celtics to beat the Cavs IMO, the Cavs match up pretty well with the Celtics because they matchup pretty well with every team. And I haven't even said Kevin Love's name yet

I appreciate the difference of opinion, but there is absolutely no way the Celtics beat the Cavs in a 7 game series (with or without home court)

Seen this act before (Pacers, Hawks) with #1 seeds being the "LeBron Killers"

Ok dude... I'll wait...

The difference between the Hawks and Pacers vs the Celtics is the Celtics have multiple good wing defenders who can make lebron and Kyrie work harder for shots. Crowder Bradley Smart Brown is about as good as you can get on wing defense. IT is a certified star capable of carrying the offense and scoring over 30 any night. The Celtics aren't just defense and have to slow the game down to have a chance. They can score a lot of points which is key to beating Cleveland since they are great at scoring. Celtics have a huge advantage on defense. They can put the clamps down unlike Cleveland this year. Boston can easily score over 115 points in any game. The Celtics match up very well with Cleveland.

the Hawks had Sefolosha, Jeff Teague, Bazemore, DeMarre Carroll had a career year

the Celtics wing defenders arent really much better than the Hawks had. And the Hawks had extremely balanced scoring, Millsap was their leading PPG at 16.7. They were absolutely a better defensive team overall than the Celtics were this year

The Pacers I will give you, but even them not by much.

we'll see

Post #1219 » by **Sixerscan** » Wed May 3, 2017 2:10 pm

Wait we're talking about the Celtics defense now? The one that was less than a point below league average efficiency and has given up over 110 points to the Wizards both games? Their defense isn't championship caliber. For them to beat the Cavs 4 times out of 7 they would have to average 120 points in those games. Cleveland averaged like 116 against them in the regular season and Love missed the only game they lost/scored under 110.

I'm not sure how you could have watched the Celtics and Cavs play against each other if you think they have good defenders to match up against Lebron. Crowder and Brown get roasted every time they guard him, and Bradley and Smart are too small for Stevens to even try it. Stopping Lebron one on one is only half the battle anyway, the team defense is much more important, otherwise he just picks you apart. I'd take those pacers and Hawks defense over the Celtics easy (though the Celtics may have the best offense of the bunch).

Let's let them beat the Wizards first.

Kobblehead · Post #1220 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed May 3, 2017 2:27 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:The difference between the Hawks and Pacers vs the Celtics is the Celtics have multiple good wing defenders who can make lebron and Kyrie work harder for shots. Crowder Bradley Smart Brown is about as good as you can get on wing defense. IT is a certified star capable of carrying the offense and scoring over 30 any night. The Celtics aren't just defense and have to slow the game down to have a chance. They can score a lot of points which is key to beating Cleveland since they are great at scoring. Celtics have a huge advantage on defense. They can put the clamps down unlike Cleveland this year. Boston can easily score over 115 points in any game. The Celtics match up very well with Cleveland.

The Celtics have a handful of good individual defenders, but their defense is not impressive this year. They have the 13th ranked defensive rating. 9 spots lower than their defense from a year ago.

Isaiah gets torched by PGs, Bradley gets torched by SGs and they have no rim protector. Al Horford is a complete non-deterrent in the lane.