Okafor trade talk: Will he be traded by the deadline?

[BigSleep333]

valentine is AWFUL...chicagos pick or chicagos pick+valentine doesnt make much difference for me.

[the_process]

It is but that was not meant to be posted as breaking news.

The point is according to reputable sources he has been offered a first round pick for a player on a modest deal (Ajinca). The pick somewhere else was revealed to be top ten protected pick in 2018.

So no we shouldn't need to take on Asik to get a top three protected pick. Which assuming everything stands the same (which it won the pelicans are the most talented of the bottom teams) has a 75 percent chance of being 7th or 8th

Where is that logical leap coming from?

It's my opinion that it shouldn't take an extra 25 million to get a less protected pick. Especially considering the likelyhood of them picking outside the top 5. Heck they still have a realistic shot at the playoffs. They are only 4 GB. There is an outside chance we end up with a worse pick compared to 2018 and pay 25 million (diff between Asik and Ajinca) for the privilege of doing so.

The offer was Ajinca and a top 10 protected 2018 1st for Okafor. We dont know whether the protections were diminishing, whether it turned into 2nds, or whether it went unprotected.

What we do know is that Ajinca is negative value, arguably a worse player than Asik. We know there is an opportunity cost in waiting a year for the pick. And we know NOP would rather dump Asik's money.

So IMO Asik and an unprotected 2018 1st for Okafor is a deal that fits all parameters and would be fair.

[the_process]

Bulls insider on their board claiming we turned down Valentine + a 1st (not sure if 2018 or 2017 or protections) from the Bulls, however if they offered McDermott and a 1st we'd take it. In the meantime, they are trying to recoup another first (before presumably trading us one) by trading Lopez or McDermott elsewhere.

Sounds fairly plausible. I can understand us wanting McDermott over Valentine assuming the pick is the same protection/year. Right now Chicago is at #17 in the Tankathon. I can easily see that going down towards 12-14 by the end of the year. They also get the SAC pick if it falls out of the top 10. Perhaps we end up trading for the higher of the SAC or CHI pick along with Valentine.

We have no idea what type of 1st CHI offered. Could've been top 20 protected in 2018. That would make all the difference. If, for example, CHI offered their 2017 1st top 7 protection or less plus Valentine... BC would have to be a Danny Ainge overvaluing Ernie Grunwald sleepwalking damn fool to pass that up. Valentine is older but he's still a rookie. He's a guard and he's shot well in the D-League. He pretty much has to fit better than Okafor does, and he can't be worse than Stauskas defensively. He's not great by any means but worth a shot. None of which mentions that you have a really good shot at a low lotto pick on top.

[PhilasFinest]

While he is not my favorite prospect, Denzel Valentine has talent. He may be off to a rough start in a extremely limited role in Chicago, but I liked him coming out of College.

I think in a "Stauskas" like role, he could develop into a decent perimeter player. He lacks explosive athleticism/quickness and does worry me defensively, but he's got decent size/length and is a crafty, well coached, smart player who can do a lot of things on offense. Adding someone on the perimeter who can shoot and also handle the ball and make plays would be a welcomed addition to this team.He is also a very good rebounder for a wing, which is another welcomed trait in this system that loves to get the ball and go. If he can get his shooting touch back (41 and 44% from 3 on high volume in last 2 years at Mich ST and also 83 & 85% from FT line) I think he could be a contributor for sure. Love the idea of having multiple guys on the team who are playmakers, unselfish and can grab a board and push it.

Watch on YouTube

This was just a week or so ago. I know its the D-league, but shows he has a perimeter shot. Maybe some confidence, a change of scenery and Brett's coaching could elevate him back to his touch.

At the end of the day, we are not getting a sure fire All-Star or border line all-star talent for Okafor....Nor are we likely getting some unprotected 1st from a trash team. Okafor's weaknesses have been on full display now and adding the knee issue and our "log jam" and it just taken a beating to his value.

A good GM likely knows this and will try to identify a "diamond in the rough" type of young prospect who is maybe not fitting in with their current team, but could in our system. Get that and a possible mid round 1st rounder and its probably the best you can realistically expect at this point in time.Your probably not getting a future star with that pick, but if you Draft/scout well and come up with a quality role player, it could be a move that you look back on positively.

[SparksFly87]

Mcbuckets and Chicago 1st is a deal I would take for Okafor.

Why? Its always nice to have shooters with good size. He has a year left on his rookie contract and he immediately fills in Ersans role as back up 3 alongside Saric who can share mins with Simmons at the 4.

Ersan should be be moved along with Sergio as expirings who have some value.

Noel gets moved in the right deal for a lottery pick.

Move Henderson in offseason

Throw all the chips in for Jackson or Fultz and complete our rebuild.

I would move Noel still in the right deal too.

[HartfordWhalers]

Read on Twitter

Moore also played.

Asik sat out.

[smittybanton]

And according to Serbian newspaper “Novosti” the Denver Nuggets are already preparing their move for the Serbian point guard. Teodosic openly wrote in his Eurohoops official blog that the move to the NBA is on his mind and Denver has created a tradition of getting international players and building on them. – via EuroHoops.net

My tea leaf reader keeps saying Denver and Chicago making a deal, with us getting Mudiay for Okafor (who gets shipped to Chicago). Not only is Denver going after a point guard next year when they already have Mudiay, they just bust the Warriors while sitting him, Gallinari, Chandler, and Fraried.

Chicago probably wants Boston to beat whatever Denver is offering. But Ainge is notoriously cheap. I think he'd rather get Serge Ibaka for much, much less--although even there Orlando probably wants BKN17 and Ainge doesn't want to give it up. Jimmy Butler >> Jae Crowder, but Serge Ibaka >>>>>>>>>>>>> Amir Johnson.

[BoomBap]

Zipser + Bulls first or Asik + Pels first (top 3 protected) for okafor

[LloydFree]

If Chicago is offering Valentine and any 1st round pick, the 76ers should take it and run.

I would do that too

I don't know how anyone thinks that is a bad offer for a player who grades out as one of the worst in the league. That's robbing the Bulls.

[BigSleep333]

If Chicago is offering Valentine and any 1st round pick, the 76ers should take it and run.

I would do that too

I don't know how anyone thinks that is a bad offer for a player who grades out as one of the worst in the league. That's robbing the Bulls.

you hate okafor, we get it. hes not the player we hoped a 3rd pick would be, but he definately is not one of the worst overall (yeah he is one of the worst rebounders, but thats it)...stop that BS

talking bout defense, valentine is even worse than okafor. have you seen him play?? his defense isnt good enough for dleague level..thats how bad he is as a defender

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

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If Chicago is offering Valentine and any 1st round pick, the 76ers should take it and run.

I would do that too

I don't know how anyone thinks that is a bad offer for a player who grades out as one of the worst in the league. That's robbing the Bulls.

Wow this is an absolutely ridiculous assumption on your part. One of the worst players? Yeah...ok.
Monumental trolling at its finest. ALL of your posts revolve around hating one single solitary player. You have yet to add anything insightful about anyone else on the team. I'm still waiting .

[ProcessDoctor]

If we could get Valentine + two 1sts or McDermott/Valentine/1st I would pull the trigger. I actually agree with BC in thinking that we should max out what we can get for Okafor.

[sixerswillrule]

Valentine's lack of athleticism seems to be holding him back similar to Turner. Turner has managed to become a decent rotation player, hopefully Valentine can do the same. It would help if he could start shooting like he did in college.

[TTP]

you hate okafor, we get it. hes not the player we hoped a 3rd pick would be, but he definately is not one of the worst overall (yeah he is one of the worst rebounders, but thats it)...stop that BS

talking bout defense, valentine is even worse than okafor. have you seen him play?? his defense isnt good enough for dleague level..thats how bad he is as a defender

Wow this is an absolute ridiculous assumption on your part. One of the worst players? Yeah...ok.

If you want to argue that he has the potential to be a lot better than he is now, that's reasonable to believe (even if I disagree with the amount he can improve). However, he is almost certainly one of the worst players in the league right now by many different metrics. He's last in RPM for Centers for the second straight season by a HUGE margin with almost the exact same number as last season (-5.24 this season, -5.28 last season). In terms of RPM wins added, he's 3rd worst in the league, ahead of only Brandon Knight and Brandon Ingram.

We won 10 games last year and we performed the worst when he was on the floor by a huge margin - 10 points worse per 100 poss when Okafor was on the floor last season, 15.1 points worse this season.

We've won 27% of our games this season when Okafor plays (compared to 42% for Embiid, 50% for Noel). We're 1-7 when Okafor plays and Noel and Embiid don't play. We're 7-4 when Embiid plays and Okafor doesn't play. We're 10-4 when Noel plays and Okafor doesn't play.

One of the myths from last season was that Okafor struggles because of the quality of teammates around him but Noel and Embiid are each having significant success with the same teammates.

From the eye test alone, the quality of play when Okafor is in the game is atrocious, whereas we frequently look like a good basketball team when he's off the floor.

It's incredible that you guys still don't see it.

[Ericb5]

If we could get Valentine + two 1sts or McDermott/Valentine/1st I would pull the trigger. I actually agree with BC in thinking that we should max out what we can get for Okafor.

Well who would possibly argue with maxing out what we can get for him?

The real scandal here is that Bryan has backed himself into a corner here, told Okafor he was going to trade him, where he then said good bye to his teammates, and didn't seem to have a deal in hand at that time.

That is pure recklessness. Portland and Denver have seemingly dropped out, and it is possible that the Bulls and Pelicans could go elsewhere too, leaving us in the lurch.

[Unbreakable99]

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I would do that too

I don't know how anyone thinks that is a bad offer for a player who grades out as one of the worst in the league. That's robbing the Bulls.

Wow this is an absolutely ridiculous assumption on your part. One of the worst players? Yeah...ok.
Monumental trolling at its finest. ALL of your posts revolve around hating one single solitary player. You have yet to add anything insightful about anyone else on the team. I'm still waiting .

For all the talk many Prokafors had saying how good Okafor is it's amazing how little he's in command to trade. Not many teams want or neee him.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

you hate okafor, we get it. hes not the player we hoped a 3rd pick would be, but he definately is not one of the worst overall (yeah he is one of the worst rebounders, but thats it)...stop that BS

talking bout defense, valentine is even worse than okafor. have you seen him play?? his defense isnt good enough for dleague level..thats how bad he is as a defender

Wow this is an absolute ridiculous assumption on your part. One of the worst players? Yeah...ok.

If you want to argue that he has the potential to be a lot better than he is now, that's reasonable to believe (even if I disagree with the amount he can improve). However, he is almost certainly one of the worst players in the league right now by many different metrics. We won 10 games last year and we performed the worst when he was on the floor by a huge margin.

We've won 27% of our games this season when Okafor plays (compared to 42% for Embiid, 50% for Noel). We're 1-7 when Okafor plays and Noel and Embiid don't play. We're 7-4 when Embiid plays and Okafor doesn't play. We're 10-4 when Noel plays and Okafor doesn't play.

One of the myths from last season was that Okafor struggles because of the quality of teammates around him but Noel and Embiid are each having significant success with the same teammates.

From the eye test alone, the quality of play when Okafor is in the game is atrocious, whereas we frequently look like a good basketball team when he's off the floor.

It's incredible that you guys still don't see it.

It's not that I don't see his struggles. You'd have to be blind not to. It's IT'S the fact that you continue to miss the point that I have made about him. Yes...he hasn't worked out in Philadelphia, but that doesn't mean that at 21 years old he is a lost cause. For some reason you keep running with the idiotic assumption that I'm just blindly supporting him, when that couldn't be any further from the truth. You use bird brained monikers to categorize anyone that shares a different opinion on him than you. How narrow minded can you get.
One more time (I feel like I'm teaching the alphabet).....Yes...He has struggled....No.....He does not fit here....We should trade him....I do not think he is a lost cause....He has shown that he does have talent in the league.
It's incredible that you keep missing my point, and only picking out the things you can spin to support your own stance.

[PhilasFinest]

you hate okafor, we get it. hes not the player we hoped a 3rd pick would be, but he definately is not one of the worst overall (yeah he is one of the worst rebounders, but thats it)...stop that BS

talking bout defense, valentine is even worse than okafor. have you seen him play?? his defense isnt good enough for dleague level..thats how bad he is as a defender

Wow this is an absolute ridiculous assumption on your part. One of the worst players? Yeah...ok.

If you want to argue that he has the potential to be a lot better than he is now, that's reasonable to believe (even if I disagree with the amount he can improve). However, he is almost certainly one of the worst players in the league right now by many different metrics. He's last in RPM for Centers for the second straight season by a HUGE margin with almost the exact same number as last season (-5.24 this season, -5.28 last season). In terms of RPM wins added, he's 3rd worst in the league, ahead of only Brandon Knight and Brandon Ingram.

We won 10 games last year and we performed the worst when he was on the floor by a huge margin - 10 points worse per 100 poss when Okafor was on the floor last season, 15.1 points worse this season.

We've won 27% of our games this season when Okafor plays (compared to 42% for Embiid, 50% for Noel). We're 1-7 when Okafor plays and Noel and Embiid don't play. We're 7-4 when Embiid plays and Okafor doesn't play. We're 10-4 when Noel plays and Okafor doesn't play.

One of the myths from last season was that Okafor struggles because of the quality of teammates around him but Noel and Embiid are each having significant success with the same teammates.

From the eye test alone, the quality of play when Okafor is in the game is atrocious, whereas we frequently look like a good basketball team when he's off the floor.

It's incredible that you guys still don't see it.

When Okafor plays, we lose. It is no coincidence that when he was racking up DNP's in January, we went on a winning streak and were one of the hottest teams in the NBA. That pretty much sums up his "impact" on the game. He can get 20 sure, but more likely then not you are going to lose that game. His defense, motor and rebounding are so sub par that he does nothing on the floor but score occasionally in isolation settings.

You can't even hide the guy on defense. If he was a elite rebounder/passer/shooter like a Kevin Love then maybe you could live with his warts on defense, or even if he played with a motor.... but he simply doesn't do enough for you to warrant staying on the floor if your trying to win.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

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I don't know how anyone thinks that is a bad offer for a player who grades out as one of the worst in the league. That's robbing the Bulls.

Wow this is an absolutely ridiculous assumption on your part. One of the worst players? Yeah...ok.
Monumental trolling at its finest. ALL of your posts revolve around hating one single solitary player. You have yet to add anything insightful about anyone else on the team. I'm still waiting .

For all the talk many Prokafors had saying how good Okafor is it's amazing how little he's in command to trade. Not many teams want or neee him.

Again, nobody is being a Prokafor. I simply disagree that he is the worst player in the league. That is it.

[Unbreakable99]

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Wow this is an absolutely ridiculous assumption on your part. One of the worst players? Yeah...ok.
Monumental trolling at its finest. ALL of your posts revolve around hating one single solitary player. You have yet to add anything insightful about anyone else on the team. I'm still waiting .

For all the talk many Prokafors had saying how good Okafor is it's amazing how little he's in command to trade. Not many teams want or neee him.

Again, nobody is being a Prokafor. I simply disagree that he is the worst player in the league. That is it.

Ok. Okafor may not be the worst player in the league. He's in the bottom 10%. Can you agree with that that he's been a bottom 10% player in the league since he has played? I'm not looking at the future only right now and what he has shown so far. So can you agree to that?